injection schedule?

[silverbackn]

I am gonna run 750 sustanon and 225 tren a week. How should I split up my injections? I know there is prop in sustanon, so I can't spot inject that. Anybody with any experience in this? I have never used either of these and I'm not sure how to split it up. I don't mind jabbing, but obviously I would like to do as few as possible.

 

[Makavelli]

I am gonna run 750 sustanon and 225 tren a week. How should I split up my injections? I know there is prop in sustanon, so I can't spot inject that. Anybody with any experience in this? I have never used either of these and I'm not sure how to split it up. I don't mind jabbing, but obviously I would like to do as few as possible.

Shoot the sust once a week. I know there are a lot of bros that will disagree with this, but if you look at the esters that's what sust was made for, to minimize frequency of injections. The tren you need to shoot EOD.

 

[BionicBC]

I am gonna run 750 sustanon and 225 tren a week. How should I split up my injections? I know there is prop in sustanon, so I can't spot inject that. Anybody with any experience in this? I have never used either of these and I'm not sure how to split it up. I don't mind jabbing, but obviously I would like to do as few as possible.

You say 225mg tren, I assume you mean tren ace, most likely dosed at 75mg/ml, right? So thats 3 injects per week. Same with the sust
(250mg/ml x 3=750mgs). So no spot injects? Id do one of two things then, assuming youll shoot in glutes, delts, and quads.
1. Mix 1ml tren ace & 1ml sust, shoot on M, W, F.
2. Monday-1ml sust in left glute, 1ml tren in right glute
Wednesday-1ml sust in left delt, 1ml tren in right delt
Friday-1ml sust in left quad, 1ml tren in right quad

And the following week, switch sides (sust on right, tren on left).
Hope this helps you bro.
PS-How long of a cycle is this? You gonna run tren the whole way thru? If youre doing, say, a 10 week cycle, Id suggest 1st 6 weeks on the tren ace, and then switch to winny (and if your b/f is low even Masteron) for the last 4 weeks to throw in something anabolic at the end to really harden things up and solidify your gains from tren/sust.
Bionic

 

[BionicBC]

Shoot the sust once a week. I know there are a lot of bros that will disagree with this, but if you look at the esters that's what sust was made for, to minimize frequency of injections. The tren you need to shoot EOD.

I know what i originally suggested, but I forgot to throw in that you will get MUCH BETTER results out of your tren if you shoot ed. Save your glutes and quads for the sust-tren ace is fine in the delts, pecs, even tri's.
Bionic

 

[Slyder190]

Shoot the sust once a week. I know there are a lot of bros that will disagree with this, but if you look at the esters that's what sust was made for, to minimize frequency of injections. The tren you need to shoot EOD.

Dead wrong on the Sus.

Shoot it M,W,F. This way you get the most out of the estaers and more consistent blood levels. For Tren I'd recomend 75mg/day or EOD at least. Tren should really be injected at least EOD at the very least, Tren Ace that is.

 

[Makavelli]

Dead wrong on the Sus.

Shoot it M,W,F. This way you get the most out of the estaers and more consistent blood levels. For Tren I'd recomend 75mg/day or EOD at least. Tren should really be injected at least EOD at the very least, Tren Ace that is.

If I'm dead wrong then why do they make a test with four different ester blends?? If you're going to shoot eod why not just use prop??

 

[BionicBC]

If I'm dead wrong then why do they make a test with four different ester blends?? If you're going to shoot eod why not just use prop??

Yea, if youre on HRT. Im guesssing he's not trying to mimic normal test levels.
Bionic

 

[Makavelli]

Yea, if youre on HRT. Im guesssing he's not trying to mimic normal test levels.
Bionic

The same principals apply. Physiology is physiology. If you're trying to use 1 G a week of sust and the HRT guy is using 250 mgs and the levels are stable...what's the problem?? I'm not trying to start an argument here, but the opinions on this are split 50/50 on most boards, this one is an exception. If someone can provide a rational reason why shooting eod is beneficial I'll listen. But the prop argument doesn't hold due to the fact that the next ester in line lasts slighty longer than the prop.

 

[silverbackn]

Thanks for the reply's fellas! I appreciate your time. Bionic I think I will give that a try. I would run the tren everyday if I could afford it. I am gonna have to go eod right now, hopefully I can run it everyday pre-contest. This is my first time using it, so I would rather start out low and see how I respond. Thanks again bro's!

 

[chyllaxyn]

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Good points bionicbc & slyder190, very sound statements that I used to agree with.

I hear sust and omna get criticized a lot for not maintaining consistent levels yet that is exactly what they were designed to do.
I also hear ppl break down the half life of each test to support that argument. Ever hear the old beer before liquor saying? Both are alcoholic right? But when you drink 4-5 beers then start downing shots of Vodka you’re gonna hurl. You’ve got to consider the Interaction w/ the blended tests.
So we’ve got all this speculation in the BB community vs. millions invested and years of research.
My money is on the nerdy guys in lab coats.

Yea, if youre on HRT. Im guesssing he's not trying to mimic normal test levels.
Bionic

I’m not following you, if you’re on HRT and trying to maintain normal levels or if you’re bulking and trying maintain higher levels, that’s the same thing.
The only difference is that you’re taking higher doses or stacking tests to get there. I thought the goal was to maintain consistent levels?
Not sure I agree with any of that, maintaining a consistent testosterone level is impossible whether you are injecting prop eod or sust e4d. You are still going to go up and down. But isn’t that how we work out? You don’t do squats and leg work everyday. Think of it as a mini cycle within a cycle.
500mg of sust , hit the big muscles day 1, upper body day 2, see where I’m going? So the day before my next shot equals my lightest day of the week. Lather, rinse, & repeat.





These are just my observations and what works for me, your results may vary.

 

[wls8687]

The made Sust for not having to inject eod and so on, but you get the most out of the short working esters if you inject it more often.. am i right?

 

[black_stripe1658]

why not spot inject sus I do and if there is prop in it then the ester happens locally in the injection. Longer esters are not recommended by some bros I like spot injecting all esters I spot inject and I can tell where the test went muscles are larger in that area I especially like spoting sus.

 

[Slyder190]

If I'm dead wrong then why do they make a test with four different ester blends?? If you're going to shoot eod why not just use prop??

Not trying to start shit with you Mak.But iot makes more sense to shoot the sus 3x a week, to get the most out of the shorter esters. Shootin all at once would be more of a frontload-type yielding results in the beginning. If the Sus were to be shot 3x a week, then he could make the most out of the shorter esters like i said. take the prop for instance, he'll get better results shotting it 3x a week instead of all at once. Am I making sense? I hope so, it's late (3:30am), I just got home from work a lil while ago and I'm tired.

 

[Outtlaw]

Who wants to inject 3ml of sust (which is an uncomfortable injection to begin with) all at once? I dont give a damn how stable or unstable my levels are, Im not shootin more than 2ml of that shit at a time.

And I've said it before so I'll say it again... It's not all about levels, it's about the total mg's of acting compound. 750mg/sust shot 3x a week is just as effective as 750mg shot once a week. Would the guy who injected 3x a week get better results... maybe, but I bet there wouldnt be a noticable difference in results.

 

[Makavelli]

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Good points bionicbc & slyder190, very sound statements that I used to agree with.

I hear sust and omna get criticized a lot for not maintaining consistent levels yet that is exactly what they were designed to do.
I also hear ppl break down the half life of each test to support that argument. Ever hear the old beer before liquor saying? Both are alcoholic right? But when you drink 4-5 beers then start downing shots of Vodka you’re gonna hurl. You’ve got to consider the Interaction w/ the blended tests.
So we’ve got all this speculation in the BB community vs. millions invested and years of research.
My money is on the nerdy guys in lab coats.





I’m not following you, if you’re on HRT and trying to maintain normal levels or if you’re bulking and trying maintain higher levels, that’s the same thing.
The only difference is that you’re taking higher doses or stacking tests to get there. I thought the goal was to maintain consistent levels?
Not sure I agree with any of that, maintaining a consistent testosterone level is impossible whether you are injecting prop eod or sust e4d. You are still going to go up and down. But isn’t that how we work out? You don’t do squats and leg work everyday. Think of it as a mini cycle within a cycle.
500mg of sust , hit the big muscles day 1, upper body day 2, see where I’m going? So the day before my next shot equals my lightest day of the week. Lather, rinse, & repeat.

These are just my observations and what works for me, your results may vary.

Exactly what I've been saying. It's cool that some choose to shoot it eod. My point is that you can't say it's b/c the prop. There's 3 other esters waiting to start acting when the prop levels fall off. So if you're basing it on the level of prop, while disregarding the other 3, you might as well just shoot prop. JMO. Silverbackn just do research and make up your own mind. As you can see everyone has their own way and opinion on this subject. None are wrong as long as they work. Obviously both ways work. Good luck.

 

[khemix]

Since your will already be doing eod shots with tren, I would go ahead and mix the sust in at the same time. I'm running 750mg/wk of test enth, and 300mg/wk of tren and I inject on mon, wed, and fri. 1cc of each, so a total of 2cc's per shot. 250mg/test per cc, 100mg/tren per cc. When you inject test eod it will help to maintain more stable blood levels. Time to go do my Friday shot!

Chris

 

[mikebzt]

The made Sust for not having to inject eod and so on, but you get the most out of the short working esters if you inject it more often.. am i right?

You are dead on. To make the most out of the shorter esters more frequent injections are prefered. Not that tren is also being used and needs to be shot EOD at the very least it makes more sence to incorporate the sust EOD also. So 3 shots a weel 2ml per inject. Rotate that however you prefer.

 

[mikebzt]

why not spot inject sus I do and if there is prop in it then the ester happens locally in the injection. Longer esters are not recommended by some bros I like spot injecting all esters I spot inject and I can tell where the test went muscles are larger in that area I especially like spoting sus.

spot injections do not work.. If they did our glutes would be huge

 

[LVTitan]

and sus does not need to be shot eod. 'take advantage of the short esters" what kind of shit is that. the prop is only a small part of the total compound, and the reason it's a multi estered compound is so you can shoot it once a week and have stable levels... fuck why dont you just buy prop if you wanna shoot so much.

 

[Makavelli]

and sus does not need to be shot eod. 'take advantage of the short esters" what kind of shit is that. the prop is only a small part of the total compound, and the reason it's a multi estered compound is so you can shoot it once a week and have stable levels... fuck why dont you just buy prop if you wanna shoot so much.

I'm with ya 100% brotha. Everyone has their own way of doing things though. I prefer to shoot the least amount possible to get the most gains.

 

[silverbackn]

Very interesting stuff guys! I hit everyone with the "K" that I was allowed to. Many valid points of view out there. I guess it just comes down to how much difference you think the little bit of prop a week is going to make a difference. Thanks again guys! I'll let you know what I come up with!

 

[chyllaxyn]

Very interesting stuff guys! I hit everyone with the "K" that I was allowed to. Many valid points of view out there. I guess it just comes down to how much difference you think the little bit of prop a week is going to make a difference. Thanks again guys! I'll let you know what I come up with!

Agreed, great posts, ALL,
It's what works for you.

 

[quadkilla31]

spot injections do not work.. If they did our glutes would be huge

Agreed.