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INITIAL GAIN OF 57 LBS FIRST CYCLE?!...starting second and need advice

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graffikephex

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29 yrs old...INITIAL GAIN OF 57 LBS FIRST CYCLE?!...starting second and need advice

I'm 29 6' 192lbs...About 5 yrs ago I did my first cycle under the advice of a friend...(yes, stupid)...not knowing any better, did 50mg stanozol EOD for 8-10 wks (can't remember now) Crazy thing is I gained 57 lbs (kept 35 lbs PC) Wasn't able to devote as much time for a few years, but been back in the gym for 10 mths now. Looking to put on some lean mass so I have a low dose, short cycle on order and need some opinions/info/advice...keep in mind it APPEARS I'm VERY reactive to even low dose anabolics. Planning on pinning 50mg test prop/50mg mast prop EOD for 5 wks. 1.Ever heard of someone being so responsive to anabolics? 2.That being the case how do my choices look? Appreciate any info.
 
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Just realized that, sorry...6' 192 lbs about 14 percent BF been lifting about 10 yrs...clean diet...looking for lean mass, some size, but not HUGE gains...not like before
 
I just ran a test prop mast cycle and loved it. Very lean gains that are easy to keep. What do you have planned for pct. An I would at least run the test p and mast at 100mg eod
 
All that I could get my hands on would be enough for a 2 wk cycle if I Run at 100mg EOD...which is part of what I was wondering about...my response was ridiculous last time on something that should have done nothing...Stan 50mg Eod alone, so I took that into acct when I ordered and was thinking with the test and mast totaling 100mg EOD, I should see lean results with decent gains. Ever heard of anyone gaining so much on such a low dose? I gained 57lbs on that stan cycle
 
graffikephex said:
All that I could get my hands on would be enough for a 2 wk cycle if I Run at 100mg EOD...which is part of what I was wondering about...my response was ridiculous last time on something that should have done nothing...Stan 50mg Eod alone, so I took that into acct when I ordered and was thinking with the test and mast totaling 100mg EOD, I should see lean results with decent gains. Ever heard of anyone gaining so much on such a low dose? I gained 57lbs on that stan cycle
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Yea true I've never heard of someone gaining that much. But you have to know that your not always going to gain on such small doses. But I guess give it a try and see how it goes just remember that diet and training make the biggest difference.
 
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Any suggestions on PCT? Was wondering if it would be neccessary on a low dose short cycle?
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Pct is always required.
1-4 clomid 12.5-25mg
1-4 unleashed+post cycle combo
1-2 forma 5 pumps 2x a day
3-4 forma 3 pumps 2x a day
1-4 daa 3grams a day
Week 1 only hcg 500iu eod

And if you run hcgenerate threw out your cycle recovery should be simple
 
One more quick question...do you think it would be more productive to run the 100mg EOD for 2 1/2 wks or the 50mg EOD for 5wks?
 
you were 6 feet and 150 some pounds when you juiced, so you were so far below your genetic potential that merely touching a weight made you gain weight, you didn't even need to juice. thats why you gained so much on that cycle. i still think at your height and weight today you are still pretty skinny for your height for bodybuilding purposes to be honest with you.

what does your diet look like? your workout strategy?
 
No, i was 6' 182 when I first juiced...sorry i didn't clarify...diets fair, brown rice, wheat pasta, granola, yogurt, multi v, protein shakes, chicken, fish, grains, fruit, nuts...high in "good" calories...gym 4 days a week, 2 hr days, no cardio,good mix of compound/iso exercises...not necessarily trying to "bodybuild", just looking to get to a decent weight, 210-220, lean...the first cycle got me up to 239 lbs...had some injury and illness later on cause me to lose almost all my gains
 
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Bro why not just keep eating... To be taking off that much time and lose everything you gained is not worth your health bro.. Just eat, take some creatine and you'll be good..
 
I'm sorry, I'm calling bullshit on gaining over 50lbs and KEEPEING over 30 in 8 or 10 weeks on a moderate dose of winstrol. You guys can believe that bullshit but I don't for a minute. I've been around too long and seen too many genetic freaks that were crazy responders that didn't even come remotely near those numbers.
 
Wait wtf?? U gained 57lbs off Winny???!!!!??? I agree with the above poster, no way did that happen... AND YOU KEPT 30lbs??
 
I cant beleive you guys didnt notice that... How the hell did you gain 50 lbs on winny.... No fucking way... almost 60 at that... Im saying you started eating right for the first time in your life and training hard... How? I wanna see your diet...

Hands down one of the craziest things i have ever heard... I have heard about people gaining 40-50 lbs off their first cycle, but its from like anadrol and test, or high Dose of DBOL and Deca... And most is water bloat, because lets be real, most people get their advice and source from a local gym rat.... Whos education is from a 1940's science book...

I think that a test only cycle would be great for a firsts cycle bro..
 
for real... Coach forgot to mention you were taking oral GH at 30 ius a day.. and just told u to eat everything in site and youll gain weight...
 
I'm assuming you did not have the 'winstrol' tested? As that assumption is a safe one, if you did indeed gain 50lbs the oral was definitely not winstrol. Dbol or Anadrol (if you were dropping five tabs or 50mg drol that would be 250mg/day) would be more believable, but still those gains are massive and the sides from that much drol are extremely noticeable.
 
I just gained 45lbs on my current cycle. I am off cycle now so we will see how much I keep.

Unfortunately, my genetics must suck.

300mg of winny = 57lbs gain for OP.

770mg Tren, 600mg Test, 600mg EQ, 10ius ED HGH, 50mcg T3 = 45lbs gain with fat loss for me.
 
Look, I'm not here to boast or something stupid, I'm looking for advice...believe what you want, I couldn't believe myself and neither could the guys I train with...fact is I went from 182lbs to 239lbs...why? I don't know, that's why I'm asking...I am a true hard gainer without anabolics...my metabolism is lightning fast, can eat 5000 calories a day with no gains over 192 lbs....call BS if you want, but I'm looking for advice from those of you who are experienced and offer up some info. I can appreciate what it looks like, if it didn't happen to me, I wouldn't believe it myself. AND NO I WASN'T TAKING AN ORAL...IT WAS STANOZOL 50MG INJECTIONS.
 
graffikephex said:
Look, I'm not here to boast or something stupid, I'm looking for advice...believe what you want, I couldn't believe myself and neither could the guys I train with...fact is I went from 182lbs to 239lbs...why? I don't know, that's why I'm asking...I am a true hard gainer without anabolics...my metabolism is lightning fast, can eat 5000 calories a day with no gains over 192 lbs....call BS if you want, but I'm looking for advice from those of you who are experienced and offer up some info. I can appreciate what it looks like, if it didn't happen to me, I wouldn't believe it myself.
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My advice is if a little winny truly gave you near 60lbs of mass, then just run it again! Stick with what works.
 
ConanX said:
My advice is if a little winny truly gave you near 60lbs of mass, then just run it again! Stick with what works.
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^^^word.
I ate wheaties this morning and subd the milk for winny and gained 80lbs. Then I farted and lost 40 :'(
 
Exactly, if winny really got u 57lbs, then why not stick with it. Even if the next cycle gives u 12 pounds wtf is the problem?? Why switch it if ur gaining like that? Still calling bs.
 
Why I switched? 1. Couldn't find any win 2. I.figured if win did that much, then a low.dose of test would do at least the same, but hoping with the masteron more lean and that's what I'm hoping for, less weight gain and more lean muscle
 
graffikephex said:
Why I switched? 1. Couldn't find any win 2. I.figured if win did that much, then a low.dose of test would do at least the same, but hoping with the masteron more lean and that's what I'm hoping for, less weight gain and more lean muscle
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Absolutely, being a great responder like you are I would expect nothing less out of an 8 week cycle of just winny at 50mg ED and then a nice run of test than to gain 110+ pounds. Piece of cake.
Gear does not make you gain weight (other than water), it allows the food you eat to be utilized more efficiently to aid in building muscle. If you cannot gain on 5000 calories (which is what you said) then your BMR is at least 5000. Weight gain (other than water) is completely mathmatical. 3500 calories per pound. For you to make the gain you claimed (which is bullshit) you would need to be eating about 3500 calories OVER your BMR every day. To gain what you claimed you would need to be a genetic marval, which you aren't, because genetic marvals aren't 6' 192lb stick figures without gear.
 
bluetwistedsteel67 said:
I'm sorry, I'm calling bullshit on gaining over 50lbs and KEEPEING over 30 in 8 or 10 weeks on a moderate dose of winstrol. You guys can believe that bullshit but I don't for a minute. I've been around too long and seen too many genetic freaks that were crazy responders that didn't even come remotely near those numbers.
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I agree that is too much weight haha
 
Like I said, call it what you will, what happened happened, I'm not looking for praise, I'm looking for info...I can't be the only person this has happened to.
 
It's amazing that I come to.the know all/be all place for this subject looking for info and the majority of responses aren't constructive...what good would it do me to come here and lie about this and then ask for suggestions? If I had all the answers and gain the way I do why the hell would I ask you guys anything? Thanks to those who did offer up some info/advice instead of whatever the rest of those comments were.
 
May have exaggerated the total a little or just been mistaken with your starting weight, or you could be a genetic freak and gain like noone here has ever heard of. Either way, if you gained a lot of weight and kept most of it by running a compound, just stick with it. 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it.' I gained 22 pounds on my first ever cycle and have had a special place in my heart for test/dbol ever since

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graffikephex said:
It's amazing that I come to.the know all/be all place for this subject looking for info and the majority of responses aren't constructive...what good would it do me to come here and lie about this and then ask for suggestions? If I had all the answers and gain the way I do why the hell would I ask you guys anything? Thanks to those who did offer up some info/advice instead of whatever the rest of those comments were.
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Because bro, if you gained 57lbs on an 8 week cycle of 50mg winny and kept over 30, you don't need advice from anybody on this board. We need to be asking YOU how to do it, not the other way around.
 
I'd say it's extremely unlikely this would happen... But it's not too unbelievable.. I mean I gained 30 pounds in 6 weeks on only 20mg of dbol my first cycle. So... If he says it really happened then maybe it did. Who would he try to impress by lying?
 
Um yea u gained weight on dbol! That is a mass gainer!!! And u didnt gain an extraordinary amount either. He gained 57lbs on winny! Which is a cutter not a mass builder like dbol
 
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I know the difference between dbol and winny, sir.
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well obviously u wouldnt post what u did then? how can u ever compare the weight gain from dbol and the weight gain from winny? im not saying u didnt gain 20lbs from dbol because so did i and it was great, but for someone to say they gained 57lbs and kept 30lbs from winny is just insane. its damn hard to keep 30lbs off dbol when all is said and done, not to mention winny.
 
Tell you what I'm going to do...taking a short cycle of test prop 100mg/ mast prop 100mg EOD...let's see what it does, if anything...I'll post stats, dose schedule and results
 
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