in need of help

[how did this happen?]

Hello. Here is my story. A couple of years ago I went through a very rough time. I lost my job, wife and all my savings. I am just coming out of the depression actualy. In this time, I have put on about 60 lbs worth of fat. As I have decided to make a change in my life, I want this off of me. I have read threads a few weeks ago as a lurker, but decided to register tonight because I'm looking for help and advice. From everything I have read, bulking and cutting are opposed. Either lose the fat and later add muscle mass or bulk up and burn the fat later.

I have decided to use anabolic steroids to help assist me in my goals. I am looking to burn as much fat as possible by the beginning of June (and after that of course). The reason I have chosen the beginning of June is because I have somewhere I would like to go and look as fit as possible.

Because of limited funds and not knowing where to purchase juice (I don't trust sites I have seen online), I will be using home made prop and tren/fina. I can get the kits and the pellets. At least this way, I know it is real.


My seeking help is, will tren/fina and and prop be the things I need? I know I need to cut calories, but from everything I read, calories are needed for muscle gain. Will I be wasting the juice? I do want to build muscle also. I don't just want to burn off fat. I want to get a nice shape that I have in my mind. From there, I can build muscle the way I want it on a bulking cycle. But I don't want to go on a bulking cycle now and add even more fat along with muscle.


Matter fact, what do you guys suggest? I am desperate and almost about to slip back into depression because I don't know the best way to take with juice (what I'm limted to) and fat loss.

Any help is thanked. I'm so lost with this. I know some may say, dont use juice, just try and take a year to lose it, but my mind is made up. So could I please get some help in the fastest and safest way of using juice to get this fat off me. I was thinking with 60 lbs of fat, I may can take 25-30 off by the beginning.

 

[ego boner]

diet and am cardio before food, then high protein low fat, and lift lift lift, take creatine ethly like purecee and you will see reslts
EgoBoner

 

[NFG123]

diet and am cardio before food, then high protein low fat, and lift lift lift, take creatine ethly like purecee and you will see reslts
EgoBoner

What is the theory behind advanced creatine delivery systems. I don't see any real data supporting the extra $$ they cost. Non RCTs paid by the sponsoring company in non-peer reviewed journals are not exactly exemplars of scientific excellence.

NFG

 

[how did this happen?]

diet and am cardio before food, then high protein low fat, and lift lift lift, take creatine ethly like purecee and you will see reslts
EgoBoner

Thank you for your advice. I'm still reading the posts. Are the things that are used to stop gyno difficult to get? Are they considered steroids also? I'm reading more about tren.

And the creatine, doesn't it bulk you up? Wouldn't I get fatter on it?

 

[NFG123]

Thank you for your advice. I'm still reading the posts. Are the things that are used to stop gyno difficult to get? Are they considered steroids also? I'm reading more about tren.

And the creatine, doesn't it bulk you up? Wouldn't I get fatter on it?

You won't get "fatter" you will retain water. Edema is not fat.

You get fat when calories in > calories out. Creatine does not have a caloric value, and only if you take a lot with the 75 mg dextrose loaders will you add calories to it. Creatine in water won't do that.

 

[galaxy]

You need to build muscle to burn more fat. More muscle you have, the more fat u burn. Its that simple. Now you sound like fat bastard at the moment so we need to get your diet in order first. I would shoot for 3 protein shakes a day with a green apple and lay out a nice 3 meal plan for the day.

Prop fina wouldnt be a bad first cycle. Thing is you need to make sure you post cycle therepy is in order or your gonna get more depressed and get even fatter and we dont want that to happen.

fuck it...send me an email [email protected]

 

[how did this happen?]

You need to build muscle to burn more fat. More muscle you have, the more fat u burn. Its that simple. Now you sound like fat bastard at the moment so we need to get your diet in order first. I would shoot for 3 protein shakes a day with a green apple and lay out a nice 3 meal plan for the day.

Prop fina wouldnt be a bad first cycle. Thing is you need to make sure you post cycle therepy is in order or your gonna get more depressed and get even fatter and we dont want that to happen.

fuck it...send me an email [email protected]

Thank you galaxy!!!!!! I am looking at threads right now that deal with prop, test and now clen in lquid form. I will send you a detailed email tomorow on what I'm trying to do. Maybe you could help me put a plan together, because I'm somewhat lost. I know I want the fat off, and to build muscle. I would like to do it as quickly and safety as possible. I had a nice shape before I began my fall. Not muscular, but nice. The one thing I said is that I want to come out better than I was before it all happened, God willing. I thank you for your help and will send you and email tomorrow afternoon.

 

[how did this happen?]

You won't get "fatter" you will retain water. Edema is not fat.

You get fat when calories in > calories out. Creatine does not have a caloric value, and only if you take a lot with the 75 mg dextrose loaders will you add calories to it. Creatine in water won't do that.

Thank you nfg123. I see I have a lot of things to still learn. Thank you for clearing that up.

 

[galaxy]

Thank you galaxy!!!!!! I am looking at threads right now that deal with prop, test and now clen in lquid form. I will send you a detailed email tomorow on what I'm trying to do. Maybe you could help me put a plan together, because I'm somewhat lost. I know I want the fat off, and to build muscle. I would like to do it as quickly and safety as possible. I had a nice shape before I began my fall. Not muscular, but nice. The one thing I said is that I want to come out better than I was before it all happened, God willing. I thank you for your help and will send you and email tomorrow afternoon.

Ok good! Plus ive been drinking so itd be better if i got to it tomorrow.lol

 

[theprofessor]

not to flame dude but honestly if you are going through emotional stresses like depression i dont think AAS or ANY drug would be a good idea.
i know you say you have your mind set, but i honestly think if you cleaned up your diet, did HIT cardio and weight lifting, you would see awesome results somewhat quickly without AAS. people who start training see the fastest results when they first start...
have you started working out yet?

 

[how did this happen?]

not to flame dude but honestly if you are going through emotional stresses like depression i dont think AAS or ANY drug would be a good idea.
i know you say you have your mind set, but i honestly think if you cleaned up your diet, did HIT cardio and weight lifting, you would see awesome results somewhat quickly without AAS. people who start training see the fastest results when they first start...
have you started working out yet?

Yes, I have began professor. I don't see your post as a flame. I thank you for taking the time to give me info. I have been thinking of using HIT. I am just scared due to my weight somewhat. But I have made my mind up to go with Tren and Test. And now maybe Clen for 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off. Right now, it's about putting a plan together and juice will in fact be a part of that plan. Thank you again. Do you do High Intensity training? I have only become aware of it in the past week or so looking online.


One other question for you or others. I have read that the fuel of muscles are carbs. So low carb ketogenic diets with steroids will accomplish nothing right?

 

[musclefreaks]

well id just like to say its good to see a site offer help to some one who would be flamed on most sites,as this is the way we do things on my site,some times some one is just not ready for useing gear but you know no matter what you say you know they will do it any way,so best thing to do is help them so as to limit the chance of them getting it wrong.so i would just like to say a big thumbs up to the site


http://www.musclefreaks.co.uk/

 

[cat_fish]

How did this happen,

I feel your pain.
I loved my wife very much and still do to this day but because her rich mother spoiled her rotten nothing I did for her was ever good enough. I eventually got tired of listening to her complain and ended up leaving her. After 2 months of being on my own the company I worked for filed bankruptcy and laid me off so I've been in your shoes.

From what you said you've gained an 60 pounds and want to lose weight and look good by the beginning of June. Dude, you need to give yourself more time losing 20 pounds would be tough to lose in that short amount of time, losing 30 or 40 would be damn near impossible.

If I were you I wouldn't mess with the gear till after you've been back to gym for at least 6 months. The first thing I would do is clean up my diet than I'd hit the cardio HARD I wouldn't even think about going into the weight room for at least month after I started going back to the gym.

Take your time, eat right, get plenty of rest and you'll get the physique your looking for. Another thing if your drinking alcohol STOP! Booze will nullify any gains you've made and make your depression worst.
Ive been down this road, if I can do it so can you.

 

[theprofessor]

One other question for you or others. I have read that the fuel of muscles are carbs. So low carb ketogenic diets with steroids will accomplish nothing right?

low carb+steroids would be the way to go for cutting... but dont completely eliminate them, start normal and slowly work them down, and then keep maybe one or two higher carb days. yes, you will build less muscle if losing fat is your primary target, thats why I suggest you diet down a little first. you will see more out of your cycle if you cut your fat "naturaly" first.
You may want to research T3 and clenbuterol and decide if that is for you.

 

[how did this happen?]

How did this happen,

I feel your pain. I loved my wife very much but because her rich mother spoiled her rotten nothing I did for her was good enough. I eventually got tired of listening to her complain and ended up leaving her. After 2 months of being on my own the company I worked for filed bankruptcy and laid me off so I've been in your shoes.

From what you said you've gained an 60 pounds and want to lose weight and look good by the beginning of June. Dude, you need to give yourself more time losing 20 pounds would be tough to lose in that short amount of time much less 30 or 40.

If I were you I wouldn't mess with the gear till after you've been back to gym for at least 6 months. The first thing I would do is clean up my diet than I'd hit the cardio HARD I wouldn't even think about going into the weight room for at least month after I started going back to the gym.

Take your time, eat right, get plenty of rest and you'll get the physique your looking for. Another thing if your drinking alcohol STOP! Booze will nullify any gains you've made and make your depression worst.
Ive been down this road, if I can do it so can you.

Very kind words musclefreaks. Yes, the people who have came in this thread have been gentlemen. Much teenage locker room banter goes on online forums. There are a few music boards that are crazy. And all of these are frequented by so-called older, more mature adults.

And catfish, yes having both happen at the same time can be crushing! I never went the alcohol or substance abuse route. I just became a shell of the man I once was and then lost more time trying to find that man when I came to my senses. But that man is dead and a new man is now here and hopefully I will be a better man.


I appreciate the words of advice. I'm not trying to become a god by June. I'm a realist. I only mentioned June because I have an event that I am attending and would just like to look much better than now. I know that after the event, I will have to continue.


As far as staying away from the juice, no catfish, my mind is made up. At this point, I just want to do it in the safest way. I see the power of the steroids, and will use them for fat loss and muscle gain. Once again, thanks catfish, and if you ever feel like talking, I'm open to it friend.


Getting back to the juice, are there any threads that talk about those who lost fat. I want to read for motivation and case study. Also, what anabolics they may have used. Tren and Prop seem to be the best bets.

 

[how did this happen?]

low carb+steroids would be the way to go for cutting... but dont completely eliminate them, start normal and slowly work them down, and then keep maybe one or two higher carb days. yes, you will build less muscle if losing fat is your primary target, thats why I suggest you diet down a little first. you will see more out of your cycle if you cut your fat "naturaly" first.
You may want to research T3 and clenbuterol and decide if that is for you.

Yes, I'm looking at Clen now on the AG site. Does T3 have another name that it goes by that they sell as a liquid?

 

[theprofessor]

http://www.ag-guys.com/

 

[RADAR]

How did this happen,

I feel your pain.
I loved my wife very much and still do to this day but because her rich mother spoiled her rotten nothing I did for her was ever good enough. I eventually got tired of listening to her complain and ended up leaving her. After 2 months of being on my own the company I worked for filed bankruptcy and laid me off so I've been in your shoes.

From what you said you've gained an 60 pounds and want to lose weight and look good by the beginning of June. Dude, you need to give yourself more time losing 20 pounds would be tough to lose in that short amount of time, losing 30 or 40 would be damn near impossible.

If I were you I wouldn't mess with the gear till after you've been back to gym for at least 6 months. The first thing I would do is clean up my diet than I'd hit the cardio HARD I wouldn't even think about going into the weight room for at least month after I started going back to the gym.

Take your time, eat right, get plenty of rest and you'll get the physique your looking for. Another thing if your drinking alcohol STOP! Booze will nullify any gains you've made and make your depression worst.
Ive been down this road, if I can do it so can you.

I have to agree with mr C here build a strong foundation before you start pouring cement,gear at this time will cause more problems in terms of sides & gains , injurys that it will not be worth it.


RADAR

 

[how did this happen?]

http://www.ag-guys.com/

Oh yes, I had already bookmarked the site. I just wasn't sure if T3 had another name in liquid form sold on the site.

 

[musclefreaks]

im not sure if im allowed to link to my site like this but i think if you look at this thread you can see just how well a good diet works and a well planed routine.
http://musclefreaks.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=223&start=0 this guy has made a fantastic change in a very short time!



http://www.musclefreaks.co.uk/

 

[iHulk]

"how did this happen" okay first off lets get a better handle name for ya: lol!
if your gonna be sticking aorund here and it sounds like you are then really listen to the vets. you have 60 lbs of fat to lose. Bro that is a lot. Gear is not gonna be your saving grace.

What is your stats?
HIIT programs and a fucking killer 6 - 7 meal/day clean low carb high protien diet are best for you.

 

[how did this happen?]

"how did this happen" okay first off lets get a better handle name for ya: lol!
if your gonna be sticking aorund here and it sounds like you are then really listen to the vets. you have 60 lbs of fat to lose. Bro that is a lot. Gear is not gonna be your saving grace.

What is your stats?
HIIT programs and a fucking killer 6 - 7 meal/day clean low carb high protien diet are best for you.

Height: 6'4"

Weight: 301


That's the only thing that I can think of for stats. At 240 I was actually kind of lean. Well, I won't say lean, more like a defensive end (which is the position played in HS). I may be exagerrating with the 60 lbs of fat. I'm not sure, as I haven't had any test done. All I know is that I am now 301. Weighed myself today. I was 312 about 3 weeks ago, but I have been sprint walking. It may be water, I'm not sure. I have some pants fitting differently, but not that much to justify 12 lbs of fat. Maybe a mixture.


I actually lose weight kind of fast. In HS when I was actually lifting, I came to the observation through reading that I have what could be called a mesomorphic type body. I put on muscle very easily (a few years ago anyway). But the past few years, I have let myself go. I can only hope my natural disposition can come back. I hope the juice can do that too. I've pretty much decided on a kit and pellets. I just want to do it the right way, and make sure I don't suffer to badly through the process. The cycle will be 12 weeks. I see there are other things I need to purchase for during the cycle and after.


I do have one question that is somewhat embarrasing. Testicular shrinkage- I have read about it. There is a young lady I'm interested in, and it is moving along if you catch my drift. Are there any products to take during a cycle to stop this? I know you get shut down to use a steroid user terminology, but reading about "raisin nuts" is a scary thought. Will anything stop this? I am already embarrased about my weight. Now imagine an elephant with a mouse's nuts. lol. Even I have to laugh at that!

 

[iHulk]

lol! Don't worry about the nut shrinkage bro, that can be fixed rather easily with HCG, but seriously think about focusing on getting your diet and training in check before shooting some juice.

okay you sound like you have a big frame. 300lbs at 6'4" can be monstrous if you had a lean BF% but its sounds like your packin some fat and so its not a good weight for you. Do you have any calipers or doc friends that could measure your current BF%?

 

[how did this happen?]

lol! Don't worry about the nut shrinkage bro, that can be fixed rather easily with HCG, but seriously think about focusing on getting your diet and training in check before shooting some juice.

okay you sound like you have a big frame. 300lbs at 6'4" can be monstrous if you had a lean BF% but its sounds like your packin some fat and so its not a good weight for you. Do you have any calipers or doc friends that could measure your current BF%?

Yes, I'm a pretty big guy.lol. I don't look very fat. I look almost bulky/solid. That is until I pull up my shirt. My arms are almost tone, and my legs actuallu look good. Not muscular, but really no fat. Well not much fat. But my torso is God awful. That's where almost all my fat is. If I'm carrying 60 lbs of fat, them my stomach and back has to be carrying 40 lbs of that. It's all there!

I don't have any calipers, but there is a gym another city over that does bf% tests, so I'm going to make use of it.


Glad to hear about the jewels. I would hate to take it off and get ready to get it on, and she notice that my jewels are the same size as her 3 year old. lol. I will look more into HCG. This is getting more and more expensive by the moment.lol. But hopefully, it will be worth it.


Are there any kit companies you would suggest ihulk? There seem to be so many online. Or if elitefitness sells them, I will support the site that is giving me so much info!

 

[iHulk]

bro, really you are not ready for a cyc. PCT and diet all have to be in place before even thinking about stacking. If your core is carrying most of the weight, then that is where u need focus on.

If you check out the diet forum the bros down there got a shit load of quality plans. Get the diet in check and train for a few months and then think about stacking. Also yes, to do things right and keep your gains it does cost, but the outcome is worth every dollar if DONE CORRECTLY. For you tho, diet training are more important than aas. PM me when you get your BF% done. Matter fact have them run a whole body composition analysis on you. This will be key to tracking your development which in turn you can see how much progress your making.

 

[BigCracker]

If you must do what you're not supposed to do, I'm going to keep it simple. 200mgs of test/wk. Live on tuna fish, chicken breast, egg whites, and green beans/salad w/ vinagarette dressing. Supplement with low carb protein drinks 2-3x/day. Avoid sugar and starchy carbs like bread, doughnuts, rice nutter butters, etc. Avoid alcohol. Weights 4 days/wk, cardio 30-60 mins 3 days/wk. Eat apples and sugar free popsicles as snacks. Sugar free cand is ok in modration but it will give you the shits. Drink at least one gallon of water/day. If you can do all of this in one week without fucking up you better buy a lottery ticket because you are one lucky guy. Most people can't even remember to take a multi vitamin w/ breakfast, let alone plan their meals, workouts, etc. Plus if you have a real job you're almost doomed to fail since you can't eat every few hours. I hate to discourage you, but as a former personal trainer I must say about 99% of people will never achieve their fitness goals. If it was easy, everyone would look great.

As far as your relationships with women goes, check this out http://www.nomarriage.com

It could save you tons of $$$ and emotional pain in the future.

 

[drrman]

man bro...i know you are wanting to get rid of this as quickly as possible....but there is no "quick" way to rid 60lbs bro.......only quicker ways than others....as for you doing a cycle at this amount overweight....i think that is a complete waste of time/money and will probably put you back into a depression when you come off.....escpecially tren...that shit is SO strong....way to strong for a first timer. listen to the good bros and get you a diet and cardio plan outlined and do that.....HELL GALAXY has offered to help you directly.....albeit he said he was drunk....LOL

you better take him up on that....he's a very knowledgebale bro!

good luck

 

[Prizz]

Is there such a thing as Synovex conversion Kits to convert them to Test Prop? I know Animal used to sell them years ago, but haven't seen any since..... Anyone know?

rizz