Important Question For Collins

[HULKSTER]

I was wondering, Rick, about your thought concerning a "little trick I heard about" for getting packages from P.O. Boxes without Fed fears. I heard that "someone" has a small, metal-detector type device that he uses to detect if there is a transmittor or metallic tracking device of any kind when he goes to his P.O. Box to pick up packages. Basically, this person waits until the regular post office hours are over, which is at 5pm. But access to P.O. Boxes at the post office is available until 6. So he goes between 5-6 pm when no one from the post office is at the front counter, goes to his P.O. Box, and then, HIDING THE SMALL METAL-DETECTOR DEVICE in the sleeve of his coat, scans the P.O. Box for metallic devices by sticking his arm/sleeve into the large P.O.Box as to pretend his shuffling around in there looking through the different mail, as to not alarm any possible authorities watching him that he is using a metal detector. My question to you, Rick, is what happens if the police/DEA, etc. notice this person using a metallic detecting device to protect himself from opening a package with a transmittor? Can a person who DOESN'T open a package after using a metal detecting device to discover that a package is wired, be just as guilty as SOMONE WHO ACTUALLY OPENED THE PACKAGE?

P.S.--Sorry for the long, windedness of this post.

 

[Citruscide]

Sounds a bit cloak and dagger for me.

C-ditty

 

[Rick Collins]

Wired package

Your question is a technological variant on the basic question of what conduct constitutes "possession" of a package short of having it in one's hot lil' hands. In short, it would depend on the totality of the circumstances. LEGAL MUSCLE covers numerous examples. And as you may know, of course, most mail order busts don't involve wired packages.

 

[HULKSTER]

Re: Wired package

Your question is a technological variant on the basic question of what conduct constitutes "possession" of a package short of having it in one's hot lil' hands. In short, it would depend on the totality of the circumstances. LEGAL MUSCLE covers numerous examples. And as you may know, of course, most mail order busts don't involve wired packages.

In your opinion Rick, based on your experience with the law, what is usually the number one method of people being busted for possession/distribution of AAS? Undercover officers making deals with dealers in gyms/parking lots? Morons signing the seizure letter(s) from US Customs? DEA agents following a suspected dealer from the Post Office back to a location where they think he keeps most, if not all, of his gear? I'm just curious.

 

[Rick Collins]

Busts

In your opinion Rick, based on your experience with the law, what is usually the number one method of people being busted for possession/distribution of AAS?

Undercover officers making deals with dealers in gyms/parking lots?

NO, LESS THAN 15%.

Morons signing the seizure letter(s) from US Customs?

NO, NOBODY IS THAT STUPID ANYMORE. (BUT CUSTOMS KEEPS TRACK OF LETTERS SENT, IRRESPECTIVE OF SIGNING.)

DEA agents following a suspected dealer from the Post Office back to a location where they think he keeps most, if not all, of his gear?

WELL, THE NUMERO UNO WAY IS RECEIVING A PACKAGE, AT HOME OR AT THE PMB, REGARDLESS OF SIGNATURE.
BEST,
RICK

 

[HULKSTER]

I just bought your book Rick, so I have to wait until it arrives. Is there anyway to get around these feds from busting people? If they DON'T put a metallic transmitting device into the P.O.Box from "someone" to detect, than no one has any way of knowing what will happen. So I guess after enough seizure letters collected by Customs, they send their "TOP SEIZURE LIST" to the DEA, who then figures out which are the most worthy of spending the time and energy to use surveillance? Is that the gist of it, get to many seizure letters, and Customs alerts the DEA?

 

[Rick Collins]

You're gonna love the book!

The DEA isn't even involved! Huh? That's right! Most juice cases (like over 90%!!!) are investigated and prosecuted WITHOUT the DEA even knowing about them! I can sense from your questions, Hulkster, that you're gonna LOVE "Legal Muscle"! It answers all your questions ... and MORE! Stay safe, bro!

 

[HULKSTER]

God damn, that book can't arrive soon enough.

 

[NorCalBdyBldr]

"God damn, that book can't arrive soon enough."

Be careful what you ask for. I bought a copy and haven't read all of it but yet but what I have read scares the piss out of me!!! It pretty well shot down most of my "methods" for getting stuff. So now I am at a loss at how to obtain a package. It seems that it raises suspicions if you send it to a private PO Box, plus they require your ID, etc which gets sent to the USPS so they know who you are and you have to supply an ID for each user of the box. If you forge an ID, then THAT is a felony and just the possession of a fake ID is a criminal offense. If you send it to your house under a false name, that raises questions and can imply intent. And if you send it to your house with your real name, well that isn't so good either. If you buy from your dealer at the gym, you never know if he'll get busted at some point and then cooperate and drag you in. Now I am starting to wish I had a Ph.D. in chemistry and my own lab. But then purchasing certain "equipment" and materials can also raise eyebrows. Hmmmmmmm..................

 

[HULKSTER]

"God damn, that book can't arrive soon enough."

Be careful what you ask for. I bought a copy and haven't read all of it but yet but what I have read scares the piss out of me!!! It pretty well shot down most of my "methods" for getting stuff. So now I am at a loss at how to obtain a package. It seems that it raises suspicions if you send it to a private PO Box, plus they require your ID, etc which gets sent to the USPS so they know who you are and you have to supply an ID for each user of the box. If you forge an ID, then THAT is a felony and just the possession of a fake ID is a criminal offense. If you send it to your house under a false name, that raises questions and can imply intent. And if you send it to your house with your real name, well that isn't so good either. If you buy from your dealer at the gym, you never know if he'll get busted at some point and then cooperate and drag you in. Now I am starting to wish I had a Ph.D. in chemistry and my own lab. But then purchasing certain "equipment" and materials can also raise eyebrows. Hmmmmmmm..................

So, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY WAY TO GET AROUND THE FEDS, OR AT LEAST THE BEST WAY OF AVOIDING POSSIBLE TROUBLE?

 

[HULKSTER]

By the way, what do you all think about using multiple P.O. Boxes to avoid intense attention being brought onto having so many overseas packages arrive at just one P.O. Box?

 

[Seth28]

That book is a wealth of knowledge, and it scared me into becoming a good citizen.

 

[ROID WARRIOR]

Hulkster:

The use of multiple PO Boxes is not going to obfuscate any activity, in fact, it is the MO for those using th mail to send/receive anabolics. Rick had a case in his office where the defendant endeavored to hide behind multple PO Boxes, often having his girlfriend send and receive some of the packages. This story is covered within a chapter of LEGAL MUSCLE. Before edits, it was originally a stand-alone chapter that Rick titled "The Telltale trail," because our poor protagonist practically left a trail of D-bol tablets to his doorstep.

 

[Rick Collins]

Hey, I didn't write LEGAL MUSCLE to scare the bejesus out of you guys. I wanted to ditch a lot of myths and misconceptions that have been floating around for a long time and to share my insights so that people can accurately assess the true risks of a chosen course of conduct. Of course, I also wanted to blow the lid off some dirty tricks used by law enforcement and give guys a fighting chance -- fully knowing your rights can do that! But maybe most importantly, I wanted to get to people outside the bodybuilding community and make them think about the value of criminalizing the physician-supervised use of androgens for body composition purposes. Very little good has come from it.

 

[Immortal Juicer]

Hey, I didn't write LEGAL MUSCLE to scare the bejesus out of you guys. I wanted to ditch a lot of myths and misconceptions that have been floating around for a long time and to share my insights so that people can accurately assess the true risks of a chosen course of conduct. Of course, I also wanted to blow the lid off some dirty tricks used by law enforcement and give guys a fighting chance -- fully knowing your rights can do that! But maybe most importantly, I wanted to get to people outside the bodybuilding community and make them think about the value of criminalizing the physician-supervised use of androgens for body composition purposes. Very little good has come from it.

LOL. Now look what you've done! I cant even sleep without a nightlight after reading your book!

The scariest part about it is that before you wrote Legal Muscle most of us had no idea of the reality of law enforcement tactics and how dirty and tricky they are.

Thanks Rick!

 

[Latamier]

Thanks indeed. What an awesome book!

 

[plethos]

I was wondering, Rick, about your thought concerning a "little trick I heard about" for getting packages from P.O. Boxes without Fed fears. I heard that "someone" has a small, metal-detector type device that he uses to detect if there is a transmittor or metallic tracking device of any kind when he goes to his P.O. Box to pick up packages.

This is assuming you know for sure your local police has a transmitter for such a use. If you don't know for sure your department uses such a device, you might as well forget about the metal detector. Because very few do.