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Impact Nutrition Is A Scam Operation : Please Read And Recommend

Testoman said:
nice reading.

but i guess everybody steals ideas including mr. llewellyn. when i first received his anabolics book it strongly resembled WAR. especially the layout is a copy cat. i guess what goes around comes around. just my thought.

Testoman

You are entitled to your opinion, however it is a reference book, just as the WAR is. Each of the now 70 drug profiles (2002) has its own page or pages. They are both the same type of book, how much different should the layout be? All dictionaries and encyclopedias have the same type of layout. A little balzy to call it stealing, no? If I wrote a new dictionary would you tell me I stole from Websters?

- Bill Llewellyn
 
Testoman said:
nice reading.

but i guess everybody steals ideas including mr. llewellyn. when i first received his anabolics book it strongly resembled WAR. especially the layout is a copy cat. i guess what goes around comes around. just my thought.

Well, everybody is entitled to their opinion, but you are comparing apples to oranges here. I'm not pretending to be an angel either, I know I'm not. The point of my thread was merely to expose someone with a far worse track record in the hope of saving some consumers a lot of money.

But if you want some of my hard-earned experience : Nobody in the supplement business is totally clean. But I only go after the ones that rip people off.
 
From a post Jeff Summers posted in reply to the allegations, which he still refuses to answer. The quotes are from Barty, the rest is me speaking.


There is absolutely nothing worse than a person criticizing something or someone when they don’t have all of the facts or simply don’t understand what they are talking about.

When noone is giving them all of the facts, what do you expect ? More so, if you don't give them the facts is pretty much an admition of guilt.

But it wasn’t the brightest of ideas; it’s only given my lawyers more fuel to feed my case. The people attacking me don’t understand the law and their blind assertions about the lawsuits my companies filed against William ********* and ********* Nutrition prove this point. These people don’t have a clue about what they are talking about!

Funny how Bill (hey the next part blanks out) IS willing to give this information on his website, yet you have not once tried to counter his claims.

There you go again, hiding behind your lawyers. How awfully nice. Lucky I know the law better than you do. Ever thought of the money you could save on lawyers if you just came out, fessed up, lowered your price a bit and became competitive in an honest way ?

So read the lawsuits and then read the trash being posting on the Internet. The truth of the matter is that ********* and his supporters are panicking because the writing is on the wall. He knows what is in store for him in court and he is desperately trying to do as much damage to me before I have my day in court.

Actually Bill emailed me once, a few weeks after I started my campaign against your scam operation. He actually thought it would be nice if I could hold off until after the legal matters were settled. THe writing on the wall for Bill or anyone is of no concern to me, nor is doing damage prior to any court matter. What is of a concern is the way you treat a former employee like him and the scam practices you run.

My aim is to do damage, because the customer deserves the truth. Whether this be before or after any court matter is of no relevance. Until you start truthfully answering the allegations, this WILL NOT stop.

In the US, inventors don’t always “own” their patents. They might have come up with an idea, but someone else made the idea work. I have never claimed that I invented the raw ingredients in the Maxteron and Equi-Bolan patents, but I did spend a lot of time, money and resources to make these products available to you and make them the best on the market.

Boohoo, you also made them 3 times more expensive than competing products and then tried to sell them by making other people look bad. I checked. Its illegal to do that. You are right, the inventor doesn't always own the patent. Only when his name is on the patent application. Best read those patents again Bart (damn I love that censorship)

I’ve acquired exclusive rights to the most pure ingredients used in these products, I have every product tested for purity upon arrival and after bottling to ensure the highest potency and to exceed label claim. Not all products that claim to be based on these patents are created equal.

Great, lets get impact and molecular to provide us lab assays and see what gives. You have a big mouth when it comes to blabbing about purity, but you've yet to reveal your source as being any other than those of other companies and you've yet to prove your quality is better than those of others. I've seen them from other companies. Now its your turn. Score 1-0 for the cat.

If you don’t believe or understand what I am talking about, just look at EAS, Muscletech, Met-Rx or just about any other major player out there who hired chemists to invent their products. I guarantee you that each patent owned by these companies identifies someone else as the inventor.

And I'm sure these inventors are cashing in on the royalties big time and unless otherwise specified by contract retain the right to produce their own inventions. The same can be said for books as well. You'll find that the common practice in non-socialist states is that authors receive royalties...

Although my views maybe different on this subject, I still respect opinions of other people and especially those of my family. Therefore, only my mother and the government call me Bart.

If you knew what the fuck you were talking about that would be one thing, but I would think you only hide your name as a liability cover. You don't know jack shit about steroids and you know damn well people are getting hurt by following your suggestions and that's why you take the name Jeff Summers.

Regardless of what name I use to publicize my company or sign legal documents, the fact of the matter is that I have worked very hard to offer only the highest quality products and websites to serious bodybuilders.

Funny, I see a lot better info and quality from supps out there for a lot less money. You are just a scammer and a shark. Deal with it. We don't give a fuck about your private life. I'm sure your momma and your bro are just as ashamed to be affiliated with your practices and probably call you Jeff as well. All I care about is how you rip people off.

I have built an entire staff made up of bodybuilders who use Impact Nutrition products and try our competitors’ products often. When you call our sales reps you are talking to real bodybuilders that practice what they preach.

Funny, that's what you get in every gym and every online webboard as well. Only those people are free to recommend another product if its cheaper or better without fear of losing their jobs. Don't forget, we know how you treat employees.

For this simple reason, we have the strongest guarantee on our products.

Can you guarantee and sign your legal name to a document that says your stuff is purer or better than that of rivaling products please ?

You get my point! If you’re registered on a discussion board you probably using one right now. Athletes, Presidents and movie stars frequently use pseudonyms. Who knows how many hundreds of other people use alternative names. Does this make them any less real? Are they scamming you? Do you feel cheated? Well, everyone’s got their reasons for using a pseudonym; mine allows me to openly discussion sport enhancement drugs and most importantly to respect my family’s privacy.

What do you know about sports enhancing drugs, you and your entire staff got big on Impact products remember ? Hell everything you know is 50% guess-work and 50% copied straight out of anabolics 2000.

As for your pseudonym, hey I go by Big Cat. Big fucking deal. The prob I have is that you are running from your real name. I discuss sports enhancing drugs, people know my real name. I don't program my emails to blink out my real name though. Start to see where I'm headed ?

Bottom line is this Impact Nutrition makes products that are second to none.

Can I get a signed legal document that will testify to that and present it to all other supplement companies ?

We use the highest quality ingredients available.

Legal document ?

no one else in the World sells the exact same products as Maxteron, Equi-Bolan, DermaGain, NitroPhen, CreaBlast, DermaLean, or GenEdge besides Impact Nutrition because not all ingredients are created equal.

Legal document ? Unless you are implying your products are inferior, which I will gladly accept without proof of course.

You can buy a $20,000 Chevy or a $300,000 Diablo, they’re both going to get you from point A to point B, but which one is going to get you from A to B the quickest?

That would be nice if you were comparing say andro to 1,4-andro. But if you are comparing equi-bolan to things like 1AD or Boldione, the equation is :

you could buy a 300.000 diablo from a reputable guy or you could buy a 1.000.000 diablo from a scammer and a shark ...

ou should be wondering why other companies can’t sell their products on the merit of their own ingredients and formulations without having to stoop to trying to discredit another companies products???Y

A quote from fakes and scams by Jeff summers :

"the next time you go into a nutrition store and ask for Equibolan and the sales clerk tries to sell you a different brand, maybe he will say it's just as good except cheaper, different, better or whatever his excuse, just walk. Trust me he's taking you from a Ferrari to a kit car. No joke! IMPACT Nutrition discovered and introduced Equibolan and Maxteron last year and there is no reason to settle for less than the best and original product."

Yep, You should be wondering why other companies can’t sell their products on the merit of their own ingredients and formulations without having to stoop to trying to discredit another companies products???

So leave this matter to the courts and find a real scam to expose. Better yet, just try to sell your products based on their virtues and values and stop trying to discredit my products and insult the intelligence of my customers.

Damn, I was gonna tell you the same, fat boy ! I'm guessing a lot of companies would like to tell you that right now. Stop dissing other companies products without proof just to justify your own outrageous prices fatty.

If your products are juts as good or better than mine, you certainly don’t have to badmouth my company or myself to become successful, do you?

Is anybody else picking up the hypocritic undertone in this ?

Some of you have crossed the line with the remarks and personal attacks against me. I kindly ask you to stop airing my personal life, legal matters and quit pretending to be me! Simply look at the lawsuits. If you have questions or want to discuss them further, drop me an email.

Deal, if in return I can get an honest answer to all alegations, you promise to sell your products for fair prices, stop scamming others, stop dissing other companies to sell your own crap and shape up a bit.

Now, excuse me, I have to go post this on some other boards so some people can form honest opinions ...
 
Interesting. A friend of mine was looking into their products for a long time, and admittedly I gave them more then a glance as well. However, for the price that they're putting together products for, you can buy quite a few 1AD/6oxo cycles, or a nicely packed gear cycle.
 
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