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Impact Nutrition Is A Scam Operation : Please Read And Recommend

Big Cat HH

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Here is some interesting info about the so-called steroid guru Jeff Summers and his scam operation Impact nutrition. Their main products are Equibolan, Maxteron and Dermagain. If anybody should post asking about them or this product, kindly refer them to this post.

Fact #1 : Jeff Summers is not a real a person

There once was a dumbass with a knack for ripping people off that went by the name of Bart Harcourt (I know, I laughed too when I found out). Now with a name like that you aren’t really gonna sell anything are you ? So Bart decided to make up another name (I did that when I was a kid too, didn’t we all ?) and profile himself as the big steroid guru. Oh yeah, I really trust a man that has to change his name to become a valid source of information.

If any of you are wondering where you can obtain Jeff Summers knowledge on steroids, I suggest you read Anabolics 2000, a book by his former employee Bill Llewellyn. If any of you want to become bigger steroid guru’s than Bart, then I suggest you buy Bill’s new book, Anabolic 2002. Bart’s such a cheap skate he probably wouldn’t have bothered to buy it. Why I call him a cheap skate ? We’ll get into that later

Fact #2 : Jeff Summers earns a living from another man’s inventions

Impact Nutrition, Jeff Summers scam operation, I mean company, has two prize assets in the forms of the prohormones 5AA, marketed as Maxteron, and 1,4-andro, marketed as Equibolan. Apart from my objections to steroid like names we need to note that these are not inventions belonging to Impact Nutrition. Though Jeff/Bart will attempt to tell you otherwise, I dare any man to pull the patent forms on 5AA and 1,4-andro. The patent number is 6.242.436. Check the name on their and I assure you its not Jeff Summers or Bart Harcourt. Its Bill Llewellyn, former employee of Impact Nutrition and now CEO of Molecular Nutrition. That means the patents to both these substances are owned by another company entirely. Since then Mr.Llewellyn has invented a more potent form of 5AA and isn’t even selling that anymore, eventhough he owns the patent. What does that tell you ?

Fact #3 : Impact Nutrition scams its employees

Speaking of Bill Llewellyn, there is an ongoing legal matter between Bart and Mr.Llewellyn. About two specific issues. The first is the ownership of the patents, the other is the royalties of the book Anabolics 2000.

On the first matter I think its an open and shut case. Bart has a big mouth now, but if there is one thing they are good about protecting in America its patents. Your wife can get raped, your children kidnapped, your dog shot, but if you have a patent, you own the product. At least for 20 years. Bill Llewellyn’s name is on the patent application first of all. But what’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard is that Jeff Summers is stupid enough to disprove his own lies on his website. Two of the most important articles documenting the efficiency of Equibolan and Maxteron were written by Bill Llewellyn, it says so righ there (http://www.impactnutrition.com/boldenone.html) underneath the title. It also starts off with the words “This is an extremely special project to me, as it represents my greatest accomplishment to date.” That’s Llewellyn speaking on the Impact website. So don’t tell me Jeff/Bart doesn’t know he’s bullshitting everyone. He doesn’t own the patents, he’s making a living of another man’s inventions.

On the second matter , this is what Molecular nutrition issued as a statement and I quote :

To me it seems that his obvious greatest accomplishment to date in this field was “discovering and publishing” MY book Anabolics 2000. I cannot understand the audacity of this man to put his picture next to a book written by someone else in an attempt to lend himself (or his fictitious character, sorry) credibility. How do you “discover” a book anyway?
You should know also that despite the fact that he continues to sell and promote Anabolics 2000, he has STOPPED sending me royalties checks for the book. This WILL be remedied in a second lawsuit, as his company will not get away with withholding revenues from an author.


Now it seems to me there is an impasse here. But ask yourself, even if Bill wasn’t able to take full credit for writing the book, and he can, one needs to wonder, if his name is listed as an author, doesn’t he own half the royalties no matter what ? To further document Impacts wrongs in this matter, go ask Jeff some steroid questions and see what he comes up with. Then compare that to Bill Llewellyn who is held in high regard as one of the top authorities in the field in the online bodybuilding community.

Fact #4 : Impact is scamming its customers

Lets face it, there is no product worth mentioning in Impact’s arsenal besides these two. Don’t kid yourself. Genedge is a mere concoction of GH boosters that have failed in numerous generic preparations in the past, Phenfree is a living joke and dermagain is some 4AD and Nor-diol in alcohol. I can make that stuff for half the price it costs in my own kitchen. That’s no joke, I’d be happy to list how you do it if you feel like having a go. 70 bucks my ass.

But Impact is totally ripping your off. I urge you strongly not to buy anything from them ! Here is why. Impact markets equibolan, which is a bottle of 4.5 grams of 1,4-androstadienedione and sells it for 70 bucks. That exact same compound can be bought from Molecular nutrition in doses of 6 grams (33% more), which owns the patent application for it for 60 bucks standard, and 40 bucks if you look around. Bodybuilding.com for example sells that product (Boldione) for 40 dollars. It also sells Higher Power Ganabolin, which is 3 grams of 1,4-andro for 23 dollars. Both cost under half of what Impact charges per gram.

Then there is Maxteron, which is 3 grams of 5-alpha-androstan-3beta,17-beta diol. It also sells for 70 bucks. Higher Power masterbolan has the same exact compound (which is very cheap to come buy, barely costs a few bucks to make. They make it from 5AD) for 19 dollars. The exact same amount. Only 50 bucks cheaper. If that’s not a rip-off, I don’t know what is. A lot of other companies sell this stuff too, it’s the base for syntrax’s new 5A2 ether compound. Molecular Nutrition, who has the patent, has even stopped marketing it. It is now selling 3-alpha (a different 5AA isomer) which is 4 times more active in converting to the target hormone DHT. And it too sells for a lot less. 3 grams, the same amount, for 60 bucks or for 40 bucks at online discount stores like bodybuilding.com. That’s 4 times better results, for 30 bucks less.

If that’s not ample proof of a major scam operation, then you deserve to lose your money. Then you are probably dumb enough to believe Jeff Summers “steroid guru” rap as well.

Fact #5 : Jeff Summers is intent on spreading lies to discredit others

Seems our friend Bart has repeatedly tried to discredit the similar or better, cheaper products of other companies. This is an excerpt from his site anabolic insider and I quote :

Here’s the bad news, as soon as IMPACT introduced Equi-bolan and Maxteron at least 3 manufacturers knocked them off. Many of these knockoff companies had called IMPACT Nutrition for the Equi-bolan and Maxteron substances, but they simply would not sell them to these companies. So the companies decided to go behind Impact’s back and try to get the substance from other sources. Little did they know Equi-bolan and Maxteron raw materials are not available in the USA? The substance is imported through an exclusive relationship between Impact and an elite chemical company overseas. Meaning it’s virtually impossible for the knock off product to contain any real Equi-bolan and Maxteron active ingredients or produce any anabolic results”

That’s the biggest load of crap if I ever heard it. The stuff other companies use, like most raw materials for prohormones comes from China and is very high in quality. I’ve had the liberty of designing a number prohormone products for another firm which got these substances at unbelievably advantageous prices and so far the results are nothing shy of amazing. Kilosports.com, the number one web retailer in raw materials commented that these substances could be obtained and sold to anyone for far less, if there was ample demand (and on a side not, I would urge everyone to increase demand because I need to get my hands on some). Even if you don’t want to risk trying generic brands (and who can blame you), you’d still know Molecular had equal or superior material since Bill Llewellyn is the inventor.

But for those of you interested in the real truth, take the stuff to a lab and see what gives. I did, and believe you me, it’s the EXACT same stuff. So a friend of mine called Impact. The person on the other side did not seem very awake at the time and gave off the air of being a pimply-faced teenager. He asked them straight out if it was the same stuff and the kid went and gave him a rap about 17 something or other. Not very convincing, not at all clear, and from what I gathered it made no sense to anyone with half a shred of knowledge in these matters. He then asked if it was true they were suing Bill Llewellyn. They hung up.

On a last note, you should be aware that Jeff Summers has begun mailing some of his chief antagonists on several online communities. It seems we must be hurting his revenue by exposing him as the evil bald-headed, lying, cheating, scamming midget that he is. He is asking us kindly not to call him “idiot” and “dumb-ass”. The idiotic dumb-ass is also trying to convince people of his right in the matter of Impact vs. Llewellyn. Well now you know the real score.

Birds of a feather flock together, and I hear from a lot of my friends who are high profile-members of the online bodybuilding community as well, that they have received this email. I have not. Seems Mr.Harcourt knows my sphere of influence and is trying to keep me out of it. My life’s work is exposing frauds like him. So fat chance. Here I am, Jeff, in your face. Your scam op is going down the drain, one way or the other.

I thank everyone sincerely for giving me open forum on this, and I hope if anyone aks you about Impact nutrition or Jeff Summers’ ugly ass, you’ll refer them to this post for a dose of truth. Thank you.
 
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This company is a joke...... just scamming the hell and cash out of there easy prey/victoms..... Nice work Big Cat..
 
Damn idiotic dumb-ass's ...

Exellent report.

Once again Cat, a very impressive piece. ;)


This is now my official thead for online referrals regarding Impact nutrition.

Ill tell you where Bart can stick his pseudo products ... :moon:



Ånabol | Chacha
 
A reply from Impact to someone who mailed them in regards to my postings :

Im always skeptical about someone that has to discredit someone
because of a grudge. Every successful person has enemies. I know Jeff
Summers, personally and he is extremely knowledgeable in his field and has
a passion for bodybuilding as a whole. People can say what they
want. It's the same reason small unknown companies sue large fortune 500
companies for publicity. Don't believe the hype. Oh and give us a call all
of us are passionate and experienced in our field, my extension is 219, Be
a critical thinker.

Yeah, be a critical thinker. You know that right ?

I don't have to discredit him because of a grudge. I discredit him because I loath scammers. The recent developments just give me a good angle to get at him. I don't need publicity, I'm known where I have to be known, right here, online. I don't care about the rest. I don't gain anything from doing this. I can't accept money from anyone. Ask yourself why I would do this ?

When it comes to passion for bodybuilding, I'll match him any day and then some. I just do it without scamming people for it. I help them. For free and every day. That's how much I LOVE bodybuilding. I don't charge 29 bucks you know. I don't sell overpriced crap. Now go ask him how much HE loves bodybuilding. A man like that only understands money.
 
Jeff Summers has also been in telephonic contact with the person who sent this mail, frantically hoping to find out my phone number. I'll say it here and now : I'll give him the number myself, if and when he enters into a discussion with me on any public forum or chat ...

But when he calls, I'll still post everything that was said, word for word, as it was said on every board. Count on that.
 
nice reading.

but i guess everybody steals ideas including mr. llewellyn. when i first received his anabolics book it strongly resembled WAR. especially the layout is a copy cat. i guess what goes around comes around. just my thought.

Testoman
 
Testoman said:
nice reading.

but i guess everybody steals ideas including mr. llewellyn. when i first received his anabolics book it strongly resembled WAR. especially the layout is a copy cat. i guess what goes around comes around. just my thought.

Testoman

You are entitled to your opinion, however it is a reference book, just as the WAR is. Each of the now 70 drug profiles (2002) has its own page or pages. They are both the same type of book, how much different should the layout be? All dictionaries and encyclopedias have the same type of layout. A little balzy to call it stealing, no? If I wrote a new dictionary would you tell me I stole from Websters?

- Bill Llewellyn
 
Testoman said:
nice reading.

but i guess everybody steals ideas including mr. llewellyn. when i first received his anabolics book it strongly resembled WAR. especially the layout is a copy cat. i guess what goes around comes around. just my thought.

Well, everybody is entitled to their opinion, but you are comparing apples to oranges here. I'm not pretending to be an angel either, I know I'm not. The point of my thread was merely to expose someone with a far worse track record in the hope of saving some consumers a lot of money.

But if you want some of my hard-earned experience : Nobody in the supplement business is totally clean. But I only go after the ones that rip people off.
 
From a post Jeff Summers posted in reply to the allegations, which he still refuses to answer. The quotes are from Barty, the rest is me speaking.


There is absolutely nothing worse than a person criticizing something or someone when they don’t have all of the facts or simply don’t understand what they are talking about.

When noone is giving them all of the facts, what do you expect ? More so, if you don't give them the facts is pretty much an admition of guilt.

But it wasn’t the brightest of ideas; it’s only given my lawyers more fuel to feed my case. The people attacking me don’t understand the law and their blind assertions about the lawsuits my companies filed against William ********* and ********* Nutrition prove this point. These people don’t have a clue about what they are talking about!

Funny how Bill (hey the next part blanks out) IS willing to give this information on his website, yet you have not once tried to counter his claims.

There you go again, hiding behind your lawyers. How awfully nice. Lucky I know the law better than you do. Ever thought of the money you could save on lawyers if you just came out, fessed up, lowered your price a bit and became competitive in an honest way ?

So read the lawsuits and then read the trash being posting on the Internet. The truth of the matter is that ********* and his supporters are panicking because the writing is on the wall. He knows what is in store for him in court and he is desperately trying to do as much damage to me before I have my day in court.

Actually Bill emailed me once, a few weeks after I started my campaign against your scam operation. He actually thought it would be nice if I could hold off until after the legal matters were settled. THe writing on the wall for Bill or anyone is of no concern to me, nor is doing damage prior to any court matter. What is of a concern is the way you treat a former employee like him and the scam practices you run.

My aim is to do damage, because the customer deserves the truth. Whether this be before or after any court matter is of no relevance. Until you start truthfully answering the allegations, this WILL NOT stop.

In the US, inventors don’t always “own” their patents. They might have come up with an idea, but someone else made the idea work. I have never claimed that I invented the raw ingredients in the Maxteron and Equi-Bolan patents, but I did spend a lot of time, money and resources to make these products available to you and make them the best on the market.

Boohoo, you also made them 3 times more expensive than competing products and then tried to sell them by making other people look bad. I checked. Its illegal to do that. You are right, the inventor doesn't always own the patent. Only when his name is on the patent application. Best read those patents again Bart (damn I love that censorship)

I’ve acquired exclusive rights to the most pure ingredients used in these products, I have every product tested for purity upon arrival and after bottling to ensure the highest potency and to exceed label claim. Not all products that claim to be based on these patents are created equal.

Great, lets get impact and molecular to provide us lab assays and see what gives. You have a big mouth when it comes to blabbing about purity, but you've yet to reveal your source as being any other than those of other companies and you've yet to prove your quality is better than those of others. I've seen them from other companies. Now its your turn. Score 1-0 for the cat.

If you don’t believe or understand what I am talking about, just look at EAS, Muscletech, Met-Rx or just about any other major player out there who hired chemists to invent their products. I guarantee you that each patent owned by these companies identifies someone else as the inventor.

And I'm sure these inventors are cashing in on the royalties big time and unless otherwise specified by contract retain the right to produce their own inventions. The same can be said for books as well. You'll find that the common practice in non-socialist states is that authors receive royalties...

Although my views maybe different on this subject, I still respect opinions of other people and especially those of my family. Therefore, only my mother and the government call me Bart.

If you knew what the fuck you were talking about that would be one thing, but I would think you only hide your name as a liability cover. You don't know jack shit about steroids and you know damn well people are getting hurt by following your suggestions and that's why you take the name Jeff Summers.

Regardless of what name I use to publicize my company or sign legal documents, the fact of the matter is that I have worked very hard to offer only the highest quality products and websites to serious bodybuilders.

Funny, I see a lot better info and quality from supps out there for a lot less money. You are just a scammer and a shark. Deal with it. We don't give a fuck about your private life. I'm sure your momma and your bro are just as ashamed to be affiliated with your practices and probably call you Jeff as well. All I care about is how you rip people off.

I have built an entire staff made up of bodybuilders who use Impact Nutrition products and try our competitors’ products often. When you call our sales reps you are talking to real bodybuilders that practice what they preach.

Funny, that's what you get in every gym and every online webboard as well. Only those people are free to recommend another product if its cheaper or better without fear of losing their jobs. Don't forget, we know how you treat employees.

For this simple reason, we have the strongest guarantee on our products.

Can you guarantee and sign your legal name to a document that says your stuff is purer or better than that of rivaling products please ?

You get my point! If you’re registered on a discussion board you probably using one right now. Athletes, Presidents and movie stars frequently use pseudonyms. Who knows how many hundreds of other people use alternative names. Does this make them any less real? Are they scamming you? Do you feel cheated? Well, everyone’s got their reasons for using a pseudonym; mine allows me to openly discussion sport enhancement drugs and most importantly to respect my family’s privacy.

What do you know about sports enhancing drugs, you and your entire staff got big on Impact products remember ? Hell everything you know is 50% guess-work and 50% copied straight out of anabolics 2000.

As for your pseudonym, hey I go by Big Cat. Big fucking deal. The prob I have is that you are running from your real name. I discuss sports enhancing drugs, people know my real name. I don't program my emails to blink out my real name though. Start to see where I'm headed ?

Bottom line is this Impact Nutrition makes products that are second to none.

Can I get a signed legal document that will testify to that and present it to all other supplement companies ?

We use the highest quality ingredients available.

Legal document ?

no one else in the World sells the exact same products as Maxteron, Equi-Bolan, DermaGain, NitroPhen, CreaBlast, DermaLean, or GenEdge besides Impact Nutrition because not all ingredients are created equal.

Legal document ? Unless you are implying your products are inferior, which I will gladly accept without proof of course.

You can buy a $20,000 Chevy or a $300,000 Diablo, they’re both going to get you from point A to point B, but which one is going to get you from A to B the quickest?

That would be nice if you were comparing say andro to 1,4-andro. But if you are comparing equi-bolan to things like 1AD or Boldione, the equation is :

you could buy a 300.000 diablo from a reputable guy or you could buy a 1.000.000 diablo from a scammer and a shark ...

ou should be wondering why other companies can’t sell their products on the merit of their own ingredients and formulations without having to stoop to trying to discredit another companies products???Y

A quote from fakes and scams by Jeff summers :

"the next time you go into a nutrition store and ask for Equibolan and the sales clerk tries to sell you a different brand, maybe he will say it's just as good except cheaper, different, better or whatever his excuse, just walk. Trust me he's taking you from a Ferrari to a kit car. No joke! IMPACT Nutrition discovered and introduced Equibolan and Maxteron last year and there is no reason to settle for less than the best and original product."

Yep, You should be wondering why other companies can’t sell their products on the merit of their own ingredients and formulations without having to stoop to trying to discredit another companies products???

So leave this matter to the courts and find a real scam to expose. Better yet, just try to sell your products based on their virtues and values and stop trying to discredit my products and insult the intelligence of my customers.

Damn, I was gonna tell you the same, fat boy ! I'm guessing a lot of companies would like to tell you that right now. Stop dissing other companies products without proof just to justify your own outrageous prices fatty.

If your products are juts as good or better than mine, you certainly don’t have to badmouth my company or myself to become successful, do you?

Is anybody else picking up the hypocritic undertone in this ?

Some of you have crossed the line with the remarks and personal attacks against me. I kindly ask you to stop airing my personal life, legal matters and quit pretending to be me! Simply look at the lawsuits. If you have questions or want to discuss them further, drop me an email.

Deal, if in return I can get an honest answer to all alegations, you promise to sell your products for fair prices, stop scamming others, stop dissing other companies to sell your own crap and shape up a bit.

Now, excuse me, I have to go post this on some other boards so some people can form honest opinions ...
 
Interesting. A friend of mine was looking into their products for a long time, and admittedly I gave them more then a glance as well. However, for the price that they're putting together products for, you can buy quite a few 1AD/6oxo cycles, or a nicely packed gear cycle.
 
wow, this is an old one

man........

i havent seen alot of guys on here lately

Llewellen
PA
ParDues

no longer welcome here?
or have they just left?
 
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