Im convinced anavar gave me gyno

[sicklydiesel]

i noticed this lump on my right nipple 1 1/2 weeks ago...now i have one under my left also..both nips are sore and very sensitive to the touch....i had been on anavar (25 mg BTG) for one month and test (600mg) for only 4 days when this started....im convinced its the var...im so dissapointed ..i was getting great strength gains , but i have to stop this shit, even Armidex at 1mg eod is not helping. I know its not the test for two reasons...1.) how the helll could i get gyno from test in 4 days 2.) i have gone as high as 1000mg of test and never had any signs of gyno whatsoever. I did a search and i found about 10 guys saying they got gyno from var, but it was ttokkyo so who knows whats actually in there. I also read a ton of post of guys saying (Anavar does not aromatize so therefore it cannot cause gyno)....but i wonder how many of these people have actually taken legit var..not many i bet. ..sorry guys..i just had to rant cuz im dissapointed and i am shocked because i have never gotten any lumps or puffy nips in during the six cycles i have done over the last 5 years.

 

[mvmaxx]

Get some Nolvadex bro.

 

[The Almighty]

What type of test (suspension, prop, etc).

As far as I know it is impossible for actual anavar to give you gyno, but perhaps new info has come to light recently.

 

[Canuck4]

Maybe there was something up with the Var you were taking.

 

[naturally anabolic]

i noticed this lump on my right nipple 1 1/2 weeks ago...now i have one under my left also..both nips are sore and very sensitive to the touch....i had been on anavar (25 mg BTG) for one month and test (600mg) for only 4 days when this started....im convinced its the var...im so dissapointed ..i was getting great strength gains , but i have to stop this shit, even Armidex at 1mg eod is not helping. I know its not the test for two reasons...1.) how the helll could i get gyno from test in 4 days 2.) i have gone as high as 1000mg of test and never had any signs of gyno whatsoever. I did a search and i found about 10 guys saying they got gyno from var, but it was ttokkyo so who knows whats actually in there. I also read a ton of post of guys saying (Anavar does not aromatize so therefore it cannot cause gyno)....but i wonder how many of these people have actually taken legit var..not many i bet. ..sorry guys..i just had to rant cuz im dissapointed and i am shocked because i have never gotten any lumps or puffy nips in during the six cycles i have done over the last 5 years.

sorry to hear that, however anavar does not aromatize, i am on it with a doctors script and the endocrinologist assured me it does not aromatize. therefore it is nearly impossible to get gyno based on the idea of aromatization from it, what kinda test was it? enanth? cyp? i doubt it would have caused it either, defineately get some nolvadex and use it ASAP and use arimidex or femara during cycle next time.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

Maybe there was something up with the Var you were taking.

yeah, IP's is supposed to be anadrol. maybe we got another case of mixed up batches or something.

 

[naturally anabolic]

there are fakes of BTG floating around, i think they have winny or some similair oral in them.

 

[sicklydiesel]

my btg var is real..im am 1000% sure of that..due to where i got it from...im takin test cyp at 600mg...something i have done many times..actually i have taken more..the cyp im taking is legite american cyp compounded at a pharmacy. maybe im just one of the rare people who react to it like this...i know in my gut its not the test. cyp doesnt even kickin in 4 days.

 

[Charles Ray]

u're not crazy.... I have read studies that show anavar can cause gyno

 

[sicklydiesel]

my btg var is real..im am 1000% sure of that..due to where i got it from...im takin test cyp at 600mg...something i have done many times..actually i have taken more..the cyp im taking is legit american made cyp compounded at a pharmacy. maybe im just one of the rare people who react to it like this... test. cyp doesnt even kickin in 4 days....one thing that just crossed my mind is that the pharmacists who made the cyp from test powder, could have fucked up and put something in there that could cause this.

 

[naturally anabolic]

do u have nolvadex?

i am hypersensitive to estrogen and anavar doesnt do anything sides wise besides acne for me.

 

[sicklydiesel]

do u have nolvadex?

i am hypersensitive to gyno and anavar doesnt do anything sides wise besides acne for me.

i dont have nolvadex..all i have is Arimidex. im not hypersensitive to gyno..here are some of my previous drugs and dosages with zero gyno experienced......test susp 500mg/week, test cyp 750 mg week, test enanthate 1000 mg week, deca 600 mg week, eq 600mg week, dbol 40 mg ed, fina 75 mg ed, winstol 50 mg eod

 

[macrophage69alpha]

anavar does not CAUSE gyno....

BUT

the increase in IGF can exacerbate even the smallest tissue..


so while anavar does not actually START the process.. once it is going, perhaps EVEN in the presence of lowered estrogen.. it does EXACERBATE it.

 

[mvmaxx]

anavar does not CAUSE gyno....

BUT

the increase in IGF can exacerbate even the smallest tissue..


so while anavar does not actually START the process.. once it is going, perhaps EVEN in the presence of lowered estrogen.. it does EXACERBATE it.

And he speaks.

You're a valuable source of information to this board bro, good info.

 

[Dizzy]

anavar does not CAUSE gyno....

BUT

the increase in IGF can exacerbate even the smallest tissue..


so while anavar does not actually START the process.. once it is going, perhaps EVEN in the presence of lowered estrogen.. it does EXACERBATE it.

What do you suggest he takes?

 

[sicklydiesel]

That's what I was thiking...maybe it was fake var with something else in it.

do i have to spell it out...its from a "P H A R M A CY "...unless btg screwed the pharmacy..its not fake.

 

[sicklydiesel]

yes, thankyou...it makes much more sense now. No need to get smart we are trying to help you in a situation that seems to be very unique. Thanks for the info bro....I hope you don't grow any titts but if they do grow and they look nice can you post a pic of them??

SON OF A.........haha...didnt mean to get smart...its just this new training bra is killing me....lol..if i grow man boobs..i promise to send you a pic

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

anavar does not CAUSE gyno....

BUT

the increase in IGF can exacerbate even the smallest tissue..


so while anavar does not actually START the process.. once it is going, perhaps EVEN in the presence of lowered estrogen.. it does EXACERBATE it.

BINGO...

 

[sicklydiesel]

sickly, when was your last cycle? also, have you been puffing weed or taking anything else (meds or supps)?

last cycle was winstrol about 3 months ago..test 2 months before that, no weed, takin paxil for the last 2 months..

 

[nandi12]

In addition to elevated IGF-1, lowered DHT levels resulting from endogenous testosterone suppression may contribute to gyno from non aromatizing steroids. Gyno is a reported side effect from finasteride use. Some have attributed this to elevated estrogen levels due to the fact that there is more testosterone to be aromatized, since less test is being converted to DHT. Other researches think that DHT has a direct antiestrogenic effect on breast tissue.

Studies have shown that DHT can actually block estrogen from binding to the estrogen receptor in mammary tissue (1). DHT also is an aromatase inhibitor (2). Even more interesting is the fact that transdermal DHT cream has been used successfully to treat gyno (3).

It may be that the estrogen/DHT ratio is more important to the development of gyno than the estrogen/testosterone ratio.



(1) J Clin Invest 1984 Dec;74(6):2272-8
Antiestrogenic action of dihydrotestosterone in mouse breast. Competition with estradiol for binding to the estrogen receptor.
Casey RW, Wilson JD

(2) J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1984 Mar;58(3) 467-72
The intracellular control of aromatase activity by 5 alpha-reduced androgens in human breastcarcinoma cells in culture.
Perel E, Stolee KH, Kharlip L, Blackstein ME, Killinger DW.

(3) Clin Infect Dis 2001 Sep 15;33(6):891-3
Successful percutaneous dihydrotestosterone treatment of gynecomastia occurring during highly active antiretroviral therapy: four cases and a review of the literature.
Benveniste O, Simon A, Herson S.

 

[mvmaxx]

Even more interesting is the fact that transdermal DHT cream has been used successfully to treat gyno (3).

Where would I find DHT cream??

 

[muscleup]

Where would I find DHT cream??

Bump...mvmaxx and myself would like some info on this

 

[nandi12]

I have been trying to find a source for DHT cream forever. I originally intended to market it (black market, that is) as a gyno treatment. I gave up. I can't even find DHT. I was thinking of just getting the DHT and mixing it in a PLO gel carrier. I wish I knew where to find it.

 

[muscleup]

I have been trying to find a source for DHT cream forever. I originally intended to market it (black market, that is) as a gyno treatment. I gave up. I can't even find DHT. I was thinking of just getting the DHT and mixing it in a PLO gel carrier. I wish I knew where to find it.

damn that would be so sweet if you could find it...I wish you luck

 

[macrophage69alpha]

the french make a topical DHT cream.. but unable to recall the name at the moment..

 

[Mo T 4 Me]

andractim?

 

[mvmaxx]

andractim?

WOW!! Thanks bro!! I AM NOW ON A MISSION!! Thanks to nandi and mac too.

http://www.thebody.com/catie/andractim.html

 

[mvmaxx]

andractim?

Bro, I just noticed your in France (mvmaxx getting excited), can you get this??

Let me know.

 

[sermon_of_mockery]

sorry to tell you this,but you don't have real anavar

 

[SOLID]

wow, has anyone ever tried that stuff?

 

[nandi12]

God Damn, Macro and Yarpic. Those doctors that treated the gyno patients with DHT were from France. Why did I not look for French sources. I am hitting myself over the head with my 2 x 4 as we speak. Thanks.

 

[mvmaxx]

God Damn, Macro and Yarpic. Those doctors that treated the gyno patients with DHT were from France. Why did I not look for French sources. I am hitting myself over the head with my 2 x 4 as we speak. Thanks.

I will be your case study. Hook a brutha UP.

 

[sicklydiesel]

sorry to tell you this,but you don't have real anavar

uhmm.....are you telling me that the pharmacy(a major US drugstore chain) ripped me off...sorry to tell you this..but my oxandrin is 100% real pal....and also whole point of what im sayin is that i have never gotten gyno from any of the other common roids, dbol,winstol, test,deca, eq,drol, fina, etc etc...so..you have no clue what your talking about.

 

[sermon_of_mockery]

uhmm.....are you telling me that the pharmacy(a major US drugstore chain) ripped me off...sorry to tell you this..but my oxandrin is 100% real pal....and also whole point of what im sayin is that i have never gotten gyno from any of the other common roids, dbol,winstol, test,deca, eq,drol, fina, etc etc...so..you have no clue what your talking about.

look how ignorant you sound.You don't think It's possible for you to get fake goods?Your fucking delusional.And I do know what I'm talking about,I'm on btg as we speak.Only side effects I've seen is strength,size,and vascularity,which are all characteristics of btg. So sorry you did'nt get the same.Maybe I got the bunk stuff

 

[ungbygger]

I will be your case study. Hook a brutha UP.

Me!Me!Me!

"The doctors prescribed DTH gel, 5 grams daily, applied to the enlarged breasts. In three of the four cases, the breasts returned to their normal size after 10 to 30 days. In the remaining case, although his breast size did decrease, it did not shrink to its normal size. "

Ive had one gyno/lipo surgery in may this year, but im not satisfied with the results.. ( PS: My gyno started when i was 12/13, and not due to stereoid use..)

I will _gladly_ try this!

Right now im on 0,5mg Arimidex EOD + Yohimbe tabs + Yohimburn + ECA +++ to try to reduce it..

I love this board!!!

 

[sicklydiesel]

look how ignorant you sound.You don't think It's possible for you to get fake goods?Your fucking delusional.And I do know what I'm talking about,I'm on btg as we speak.Only side effects I've seen is strength,size,and vascularity,which are all characteristics of btg. So sorry you did'nt get the same.Maybe I got the bunk stuff

im delusional????...thats a bit extreme you fuckin moron.....im getting all the good effects you just stated, great strength gains, increased vascularity and mass....i guarantee you my shit is real..the pills are exactly the way they are described and i saw the fuckin pharmacists couting them out of this big "oxandrin" bottle...so please elabarote on how they could be fake? oh and it sounds like your trying to rub something in?...i got the var for 7 bucks a bottle at the pharm..so im not upset with the results for the price, im just trying to figure out why im getting gyno for the first time ever from it.