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Yes GH will increase your IGF-1 level.
Actually no that is not exactly true. Depending on your age and your goals Gh maybe more in line with what you are looking for.
Gh helps with aging, weight loss/control and some muscle development. Makes you a little tired, swells up the joints. Many ways to take GH.
IGF is all about muscle development. No anti aging, or weight loss beni's. You will see beni's in joint healing like ligaments and cartilage in the lower especially. Muscle mass gain. You will become lethargic on IGF also. IGF is generally run 40 days on 20 off IM immediately post workout.
No PCT for either.
I hear you, but I'm not sold on HGH as much as i'm sold on the IGF. From my perspective HGH works on muscle developlment through the IGF. Personally I can understand the HGH route at HRT dosages but once dosages are raised HGH can manifest itself in too many sides. Since many take HGH for muscle related benefits IGF is prob a better choice.
As for the use of IGF, there is an array of arguments on dosages and lengths of time, I personally like 30 days on 30 off. From my research after 30 days IGF is practically lost its potency. Yea some ppl take it up to 50 days but the gains are minimal at best after 30 days. Also, IGF does work in the fat loss department or at least keeping fat gain at bay on a bulker cycle.
The IM injestions are not better than SubQ. With SubQ the entire body gets the benefits not sure if the absorption is as good IM BUT I do agree that it will affect the local region intended to grow.
This is my take on this, so I'm sure many will have different opinions with this.
I hear you, but I'm not sold on HGH as much as i'm sold on the IGF. From my perspective HGH works on muscle developlment through the IGF. Personally I can understand the HGH route at HRT dosages but once dosages are raised HGH can manifest itself in too many sides. Since many take HGH for muscle related benefits IGF is prob a better choice.
As for the use of IGF, there is an array of arguments on dosages and lengths of time, I personally like 30 days on 30 off. From my research after 30 days IGF is practically lost its potency. Yea some ppl take it up to 50 days but the gains are minimal at best after 30 days. Also, IGF does work in the fat loss department or at least keeping fat gain at bay on a bulker cycle.
The IM injestions are not better than SubQ. With SubQ the entire body gets the benefits not sure if the absorption is as good IM BUT I do agree that it will affect the local region intended to grow.
This is my take on this, so I'm sure many will have different opinions with this.
Well if you weren't from Russia I would agree. JK
The problem as I see it with sub-Q injects is that the greatest number of receptors is in the intestins, going SQ in my opinion increases the number that will be taken by those receptors because of the slower release. Taking them IM in the last muscle worked has the benifit of going directly into the muscle that has the receptors open and able/needing the IGF. Leaving smaller amounts to go throughout the body.
Just my opinion, I would like to hear from others on their opinion.
haha...It's all good bro!
I do agree with you about sub-q vs IM injections. I want to use less IGF so I use it sub-q. IM I prob need to use more of it to hit all the muscle sites
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so what is the optimal dosage?
of what GH or IGF?
What are your stats? age, wieght, lifting and AAS history?
What are your goals? Loose wieght and anti aging or gain lean muscle mass?
What are your goals? Loose wieght and anti aging or gain lean muscle mass?
Then take GH 3 x week @ 10IU's per injection (1/2" needle) intra-muscular wait 30-60 min (no more than 60, I go about 40-45) then inject (1/2" needle) 50-80mcg's of IGF-1 LR-3 into the last muscle worked (ie: bis, tris, delt, pecs, traps, quads, or calves) split by side of your body (25-40mcgs left bi, 25-40mcgs right bi) then immediately drink your carbs (I prefer to use Karbolyn) followed by your protien drink.
When loading the IGF add .05cc or 5 ticks of bac water first and then add the igf. Dont shake or try to mix, the bac water will take away most of the sting associated with the AA water, and that way you get all the igf out of the barrel and needle and anything left is just bac water.
When loading the IGF add .05cc or 5 ticks of bac water first and then add the igf. Dont shake or try to mix, the bac water will take away most of the sting associated with the AA water, and that way you get all the igf out of the barrel and needle and anything left is just bac water.
So how long you keep that cycle going...just curious
Which part?
The GH? Don't know I have been on for almost 3 months, however my workout routine has been compromised due to work. I make it to the gym Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat for sure.
The IGF you should max run 40 on then take 20 off.
The GH? Don't know I have been on for almost 3 months, however my workout routine has been compromised due to work. I make it to the gym Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat for sure.
The IGF you should max run 40 on then take 20 off.
Are you holding water with that GH regimen?
For a few mini cycles of IGF you could take 20 off but that;s not enough to recover..all you do is to clear up receptors but that's about it IMO.
Yes that is true all I am doing with 20 off is clearing the receptors. I am taking proviron and unleased for the bloat. It is only real bad when I go on two day drinking binges. The other weekend I went to Napa, aka wine country CA, and gained 7-9lbs of bloat. Really my ancles were swollen almost up to my knees. Took three days to go away!
I really don't want to take an AI and I am estro sensitive so I can take a gr of test and have no problems. I am at 8-10%BF right now and just trying to put on mass so its not a big deal and the bloat is ONLY when I over drink. I just need to cut down my drinking and I am ok. When I add the IGF I really lean out.
This discussion got a little deep for me .... so I reached for my last blood test.
IGF 157 range 75-212
And I am taking 1 iu of HGH eod.
Keep it simple and take your HGH.
IGF 157 range 75-212
And I am taking 1 iu of HGH eod.
Keep it simple and take your HGH.
IGF is 30-45mcg's per side of the body immediately post workout inta-muscular (bi's, tri's, delt's, lat's, pec's, etc) taken with karbolyn and protien. No more than 40 days on 20 days off.
Dave Palumbo can kiss my butt! JK
Really just start with a plan and make changes along the way, monitor those changes on paper and the results of those changes. Each one of us is different as is our chemical make up. I know what works best for me, however I don't know what works best for others. Good luck.
Really just start with a plan and make changes along the way, monitor those changes on paper and the results of those changes. Each one of us is different as is our chemical make up. I know what works best for me, however I don't know what works best for others. Good luck.
Optimal and reality are 2 different things here..lol
If you taking HRT then you dont need to take IGF just take HGH and that alone will increase the IGF to "optimum" levels. 3-5IUs of HGH a week is about just right for HRT.
If you wana grow then run IGF between 30-100mcg ED. First run use 30mcg ED then as you get more into it for subsequent cycles you can even do 100mcg ED. I have to tell all of you that HGH mixed with IGF is a great mix!
Fuck steroids alone...most of my gains I've made was on HGH, IGF and under 1 gram of gear and this is after years a steriods use alone and using as much as 2 gr of gear per week. If I had this shit years ago or for someone who wants to get into bulding their body I would start with HGH and IGF first anf when you add steroids a year or 2 later it will blow you away.
THe reason im saying this is that HGH and IGF builds from the core up...ligaments,increases muscle fibers etc shit that steriods will not do. So doing 2 gr of juice is IMO a waste of time, gear and effort and will not yield the results you may think it will.
Oh someone asked about HGH dosage...personally 2 IU ed to start and myabe up it to 4iu after a year or 2 of usage. But with the increase it will come sides..and bloating will def be a problem.
I have no clue how ppl can do 6iu and higher ED..I would prob die from water retension and high BP ,,lol
If you taking HRT then you dont need to take IGF just take HGH and that alone will increase the IGF to "optimum" levels. 3-5IUs of HGH a week is about just right for HRT.
If you wana grow then run IGF between 30-100mcg ED. First run use 30mcg ED then as you get more into it for subsequent cycles you can even do 100mcg ED. I have to tell all of you that HGH mixed with IGF is a great mix!
Fuck steroids alone...most of my gains I've made was on HGH, IGF and under 1 gram of gear and this is after years a steriods use alone and using as much as 2 gr of gear per week. If I had this shit years ago or for someone who wants to get into bulding their body I would start with HGH and IGF first anf when you add steroids a year or 2 later it will blow you away.
THe reason im saying this is that HGH and IGF builds from the core up...ligaments,increases muscle fibers etc shit that steriods will not do. So doing 2 gr of juice is IMO a waste of time, gear and effort and will not yield the results you may think it will.
Oh someone asked about HGH dosage...personally 2 IU ed to start and myabe up it to 4iu after a year or 2 of usage. But with the increase it will come sides..and bloating will def be a problem.
I have no clue how ppl can do 6iu and higher ED..I would prob die from water retension and high BP ,,lol
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