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wont you just lose all your gains when you get off? or are you guys always recommending to wait until youre closer to your genetic max, not neccesseraly at your 100% genetic max
if you wait till you hit your complete genetic max to cycle, wont you lose your gains
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Re: if you wait till you hit your complete genetic max to cycle, wont you lose your g
I would think your gains would be harder to keep as you go further beyond your genetic max. The human body always wants to maintain the status quo and will fight to keep it that way.
I would think your gains would be harder to keep as you go further beyond your genetic max. The human body always wants to maintain the status quo and will fight to keep it that way.
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not everything is black and white. think of it this way. if you can't gain off of roids cause you are doing things wrong, then don't expect to keep your gains after roids. if you are close to your genetic limit you will be more successful because you already have a great workout program and diet in place.
not everything is black and white. think of it this way. if you can't gain off of roids cause you are doing things wrong, then don't expect to keep your gains after roids. if you are close to your genetic limit you will be more successful because you already have a great workout program and diet in place.
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I think the body can maintain something like 10-15 pounds past your absolute genetic limit. I doubt that 1/10 of the members here are at there genetic limit. Even the ones that are juicing.
I think the body can maintain something like 10-15 pounds past your absolute genetic limit. I doubt that 1/10 of the members here are at there genetic limit. Even the ones that are juicing.
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How would anyone ever know they are at their genetic limit? Plateaus are broken through all the time naturally. Its not like God writes you a note and tells you the best youll ever be genetically is XXX lbs, XXX% BF.
By the time anyone has any idea what their genetic limit is its too late as they are declining due to old age.
So at some point you gotta just pull the trigger and start roids before time runs out and you end up being a 50 year old juicer.
How would anyone ever know they are at their genetic limit? Plateaus are broken through all the time naturally. Its not like God writes you a note and tells you the best youll ever be genetically is XXX lbs, XXX% BF.
By the time anyone has any idea what their genetic limit is its too late as they are declining due to old age.
So at some point you gotta just pull the trigger and start roids before time runs out and you end up being a 50 year old juicer.
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Re: if you wait till you hit your complete genetic max to cycle, wont you lose your g
Putting a genetic limit into a number is too ridiculously hard. I never reached mine but I was close @ 192-195. I didnt feel I needed to get that extra 5 lbs or so that I could have naturally.
Yes I would recommend getting as close as possible to that genetic max. WIth all of our bodies being different its hard to judge who can keep those extra pounds over genetic max and who cant. Like the post above 10-15 is realistic but beyond that, who knows.
Like Stevesmi stated your genetic max just means you have dedicated yourself enough to that point that you have "earned" the right so to speak to artifically inhance your bodies limits. There is really no sense using roids prematurely. Its a waste of gear and money, the body is an amazing thing and its extremely receptive to good food and hard work especially newbies and people willing to put the effort in.
Putting a genetic limit into a number is too ridiculously hard. I never reached mine but I was close @ 192-195. I didnt feel I needed to get that extra 5 lbs or so that I could have naturally.
Yes I would recommend getting as close as possible to that genetic max. WIth all of our bodies being different its hard to judge who can keep those extra pounds over genetic max and who cant. Like the post above 10-15 is realistic but beyond that, who knows.
Like Stevesmi stated your genetic max just means you have dedicated yourself enough to that point that you have "earned" the right so to speak to artifically inhance your bodies limits. There is really no sense using roids prematurely. Its a waste of gear and money, the body is an amazing thing and its extremely receptive to good food and hard work especially newbies and people willing to put the effort in.
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Re: if you wait till you hit your complete genetic max to cycle, wont you lose your g
Everyone has a limit. It's about getting to a place were you are ok with the gains you can make and maintain it through diet, rest, and workout routine. Lifting heavy works to keep the mass on. No one can be on steriods forever, you'll jack yourself up.
Everyone has a limit. It's about getting to a place were you are ok with the gains you can make and maintain it through diet, rest, and workout routine. Lifting heavy works to keep the mass on. No one can be on steriods forever, you'll jack yourself up.
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Thats not practical, people dont operate like that. Guys train reasonably, make reasonable gains, start roids at a reasonable point in their lives, etc. Thats best case scenario. Worst case is what you see on this board every day, the teenager wanting to start cycling, the guy in his 20s who started training 6 months ago and wants to hit the sauce, etc etc.
Nobody on this board that I know of has trained to their genetic max before ever touching drugs.
Thats not practical, people dont operate like that. Guys train reasonably, make reasonable gains, start roids at a reasonable point in their lives, etc. Thats best case scenario. Worst case is what you see on this board every day, the teenager wanting to start cycling, the guy in his 20s who started training 6 months ago and wants to hit the sauce, etc etc.
Nobody on this board that I know of has trained to their genetic max before ever touching drugs.
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True...well said good bro
True...well said good bro
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hahahaha thanks for the pic man that explains it all
im pretty sure i hit my genetic max on cycle. 5'7-5'8 when i got to about 210 at 12% and this time around i lost alot more of my gains than i ever have. now i bounced right back to 196 (started 185 before cycle). but thats another thread..
i feel that now that im off its impossible to maintain a size higher than my genetic max. so it got me thinking.. these dudes that start a cycle while theyre already at their genetic max, what do they expect to keep from it?? and what do the ppl telling them to wait till their genetic max expect them to keep from their cycle??
is anyone here really maintaining more size than they can get naturally while theyre off cycle??
hahahaha thanks for the pic man that explains it all
im pretty sure i hit my genetic max on cycle. 5'7-5'8 when i got to about 210 at 12% and this time around i lost alot more of my gains than i ever have. now i bounced right back to 196 (started 185 before cycle). but thats another thread..
i feel that now that im off its impossible to maintain a size higher than my genetic max. so it got me thinking.. these dudes that start a cycle while theyre already at their genetic max, what do they expect to keep from it?? and what do the ppl telling them to wait till their genetic max expect them to keep from their cycle??
is anyone here really maintaining more size than they can get naturally while theyre off cycle??
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for me personally, i can gain as much size as i want. i use AAS to try and keep a lower bodyfat at a bigger size than i would be naturally. if it was just about size and strength for me i could keep on gaining
for me personally, i can gain as much size as i want. i use AAS to try and keep a lower bodyfat at a bigger size than i would be naturally. if it was just about size and strength for me i could keep on gaining
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how bout this perspective.
my tren/mast cycle I ran which I have a log up of I only gained a couple pounds.. however if you look at the before and after pics there is a difference in the way I look. so there is a difference in what you are capable of being genetically between what pics show and what the scale says.
my point is you cannot judge your genetic potential by listening to what a scale says IMO.
how bout this perspective.
my tren/mast cycle I ran which I have a log up of I only gained a couple pounds.. however if you look at the before and after pics there is a difference in the way I look. so there is a difference in what you are capable of being genetically between what pics show and what the scale says.
my point is you cannot judge your genetic potential by listening to what a scale says IMO.
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I think there is a genetic limit for the amount of lean body mass any given person can carry. so that means there is a limit to what someone can maintain as far as the combination of bodyfat% and lean body mass.
That was a good graph by the way subz. it may be lol but its actually a good accurate representation.
I think there is a genetic limit for the amount of lean body mass any given person can carry. so that means there is a limit to what someone can maintain as far as the combination of bodyfat% and lean body mass.
That was a good graph by the way subz. it may be lol but its actually a good accurate representation.
Re: if you wait till you hit your complete genetic max to cycle, wont you lose your g
Well... at one point we reach our fully protensial in hormone levels, at point where we are using 100% of our test to hold the mass that we have build.
going beyond this amount of test, wich injections you can raise test and that way build muscle faster? but how the hell you wonna keep them, when ure hormone levels are returning to normal ?
some people use low dose anabolics to maintain untill next cycle, maybe strength from the roids is actually helping preservere more mass then natural.
Well... at one point we reach our fully protensial in hormone levels, at point where we are using 100% of our test to hold the mass that we have build.
going beyond this amount of test, wich injections you can raise test and that way build muscle faster? but how the hell you wonna keep them, when ure hormone levels are returning to normal ?
some people use low dose anabolics to maintain untill next cycle, maybe strength from the roids is actually helping preservere more mass then natural.
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^^^ an old poster on here was 5'5" and 250 pounds with 10% bf. he had pics up and he competed all the time.. not gonna say the name but everyone on here knows who I am talking about. he would run dbol cycles and blast and cruise. he stayed on for a long time
so i agree that without being on roids there is no way he could of achieved that monstrosity of size.
^^^ an old poster on here was 5'5" and 250 pounds with 10% bf. he had pics up and he competed all the time.. not gonna say the name but everyone on here knows who I am talking about. he would run dbol cycles and blast and cruise. he stayed on for a long time
so i agree that without being on roids there is no way he could of achieved that monstrosity of size.
Re: if you wait till you hit your complete genetic max to cycle, wont you lose your g
thats not how it works.
thats not how it works.
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