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patsfan1379
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FireFire1 said:
Perhaps some more info might garner more responses.
1. What type of test? Cyp, Prop, E? mg/ml??
2. Same for Deca^^
Lean out and then bulk? Usually goes opposite...
Hang around, you'll get more help.
patsfan1379
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The general ideal is to bulk and then cut. It will be tougher to gain mass while on cycle while also trying to cut up.
I would run 500mg./week of the test.
I would also run the Deca @ 300mg.week.
ALso research PCT... You'll need Arimidex (optional) Nolvadex, Clomid and HCG. (Perhaps not all.)
I would save the EQ and clen. for cycle #2 which would be a cutting cycle.
If you want to know how to work all of those compounds into one cycle, I am not experienced enough to help you, but others are... bump for the "others."
I would run 500mg./week of the test.
I would also run the Deca @ 300mg.week.
ALso research PCT... You'll need Arimidex (optional) Nolvadex, Clomid and HCG. (Perhaps not all.)
I would save the EQ and clen. for cycle #2 which would be a cutting cycle.
If you want to know how to work all of those compounds into one cycle, I am not experienced enough to help you, but others are... bump for the "others."
duke of earl
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By legal do you mean PH? If so then no it won't.....
Oh yeah....@ 15% BF I'd do a lean bulk then a cut - with good diet & cardio you should be able to drop a little BF even when bulking (or at least keep it the same)
It prolly won't work at all.....are you in the US? If so you might as well get the real deal as it's all gonna be illegal in a couple of weeks. Good luck.
Oh yeah....@ 15% BF I'd do a lean bulk then a cut - with good diet & cardio you should be able to drop a little BF even when bulking (or at least keep it the same)
patsfan1379
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If he already has the deca he is going to want to use it.
Bulk= Test & Deca
Cut = Test & EQ.
ask more people about the clambutteroil.
Bulk= Test & Deca
Cut = Test & EQ.
ask more people about the clambutteroil.
patsfan1379
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i like option 2 but im not versed enough in running eq without test, and i know nothing about clen...
its a general rule of thumb to keep you test dose above like a deca or eq though...
its a general rule of thumb to keep you test dose above like a deca or eq though...
actually, I wasn't leaning toward going the "natural" route, but thought if it's a better option, then I would. But believe me, I know exactly what you guys mean. It seems to be a hundred times better to go the AAS route. but I was just throwing some different ideas around....fire
patsfan1379
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how did we go from recomending cycle dosages to discussing pro hormones, what the hell are trying to do bro??!!!
Throw that idea in the trash, along with your 1-test cyp (PAIN!!!).FireFire1 said:
M1T can give good gains, but seeing as how its gonna be illegal in a couple of weeks, id say.....
Fuck it. Cant beat the real thing bro.
Oh yea, dont forget, there's no grade like Human Grade!!!
Bionic
FireFire1 said:
Here's a crazy idea. If you already are unhappy with your bf% why not try to get that down before using any aas? Forget the clen for this, it's too catabolic if you are not taking steroids with it. Try something like T-rex along with a reduced calorie diet and an ass load of cardio. In a couple of months you should have no trouble getting down to where you want to be.
(provided of course you're not already very over weight).
After you get your bf down to where you want it, it will be much easier to gauge your cycle as far as lean muscle gains. Once you're ready to cycle, just go with a clean bulking cycle. You could run either the test/EQ or the test/deca for this. As long as the diet is kept clean you shouldn't have to worry about yoyo'ing up and down with your body fat.
Plus you have the clen on hand for the end of a cycle just in case you get a little sloppy with your diet.
All right, here it is.....
Enan @ 500 wk 1-10
Deca @ 300 wk 1-10
EQ @ 400 wk 10-22
maybe some prop here, but not sure yet
Var @ 30 day 18-22 .... Then Pct ....
I'll do a clean bulk, as I put on muscle fairly easy. Then the hard part comes of cleaning up the diet even more in wk 11/12 until the end of time...lol So thanks to all for your help, and I 'll let you know how it turns out.....Fire
Enan @ 500 wk 1-10
Deca @ 300 wk 1-10
EQ @ 400 wk 10-22
maybe some prop here, but not sure yet
Var @ 30 day 18-22 .... Then Pct ....
I'll do a clean bulk, as I put on muscle fairly easy. Then the hard part comes of cleaning up the diet even more in wk 11/12 until the end of time...lol So thanks to all for your help, and I 'll let you know how it turns out.....Fire
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patsfan1379
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i dont think your ready for that cycle dude...
Well, this will be my third cycle. My first two put me at 235 w/ 12-13% bf after one year and i'm only 5' 11". The major problem was (check my other threads and PLEASE let me know if you can tell what I did wrong) that although I'd spoke with my trainer, a nutritionist, and fellow bodybuilders, I could not find a way to cut up correctly. Whenever I went to cut up (Jan 15 or so of 2004) initially I lost mostly fat and was down quite a bit. But then, I started losing "weight" instead of fat. My nutritionist, trainer, and even the guys I trained with looked at my diet and All agreed it was VERY good. But oh well. I guess some people will always be small but ripped and others will always be big, but smooth. But back to what I was saying.... My first cycle was Test @ 250/500 and deca @ 300 for 10 wk. Then I went to Test 500 and EQ 400 for 12 wk. Both were a success, however I was like everyone else, thinking I would BLOW UP when in actuality, I just learned how to diet right and add mass. But if you can let me know what I should do when I lean up @ the midway point of all of this, PLEASE let me know. I'm not one of those assholes that gets pissed when people try to help. So thanks again for all the advice....Fire
patsfan1379
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I would ask these questions in the diet section then. You obviously know how to cycle, it sounds like you need diet help.
Or I'm stupid and dont know what you want.
Or I'm stupid and dont know what you want.
patsfan1379
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K for you... Good Luck!!
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