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If you are OBESE it is not your fault!

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This wasnt written by me, and no, I am not obese. I found this article to be cool though! Hope you like it!

Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:09:35 +0000
From: diego <[email protected]>
Subject: Strength_List: Obesity rebuttal

I disagree wholeheartedly with the notion of laziness, slothfulness,
gluttony, etc as the main reason for obesity.

Since i am to lazy, and slothful at the moment to go into a deep
discussion (i just ate a wendy's) let me just throw out some ideas.

1. It is just as hard for the skinny to put on weight as for the fat to
lose it. You don't hear, you lazy, slothful, anorexic pig why dont you
eat more protein and work out with more weights more often now do you?
You do hear you lazy, slothful, gluttonous pig why dont you eat less and
do more aerobics. How much muscle can the real skinny gain a month 1-2
pounds with immense work and effort. Sounds like those trying to lose
weight.

2. There is a lot more going on than meets the eye. I have come to the
conclusion that it is impossible to live a healthy life in modern, big
city America if one has what our ancestors would of considered a supreme
advantage, a very efficient metabolism. That is one needs less food or
burns less calories to survive. The supremely efficient human being in
1999 urban america becomes obese. The whole system makes it so and no
gym can change an entire system. For example:

a) marketing, food is changed by making it better tasting. How do you
make it better fat and sugar and salt. Everything has been tampered with
in the U.S.. I just returned from south america, we ate breakfast,
lunch, tea, dinner. All sit down meals, full courses of an hour or more
served by a butler. We had a choffeur and maids. In 6 weeks i lost 10
pounds. Most people are lean in latin america.

b) energy expenditure- air conditioning, heating, automobiles, plumbing,
electricity, running water in the house, food in refrigerator,
elevators, escalators, flat sidewalks, flat streets, etc, etc, etc.. I
even saw a study once that compared the energy expenditure of a
secretary using a manual type writer and an electric. The difference
was 6 pounds a year!!!!!!!!!!!!We have a miraculous body that can
calibrate itself to a degree and precision that no machine can
duplicate, inspite of our modern lifestyle which should put all of us
probably 100's of pounds overweight instead, only some of us are mostly
20-50 pounds overweight. (The others burn off through digestion 10% more
as was shown in the famous prison study which showed some eating up to
twice as much and not gaining weight. Activity was easily maintained
constant as they were in prison!!!). We can easily see how modern
conveniences could add up to 500 calories that we have to consciously
burn in a day. That is 5 miles of running daily just to not gain
fat!!!!!!! The man in a more agricultural society can go home and relax,
the urban guy to the treadmill.

c) knowledge- i disagree completely that it has to do with knowledge,
more like respecting nature's wisdom. This exact moment, i can take you
to places where no one is educated, where no one has even heard about a
calorie, a fat gram, or an exercise routine, etc and yet they are all
lean and fit and healthy until they die at an advanced age. At the same
time, take the top 1,000 Ph.d's in the United States in biology,
chemistry, sportscience, and medical doctors and you will see very unfit
, unhealthy individuals for the most part. Your degree doesn't change
the whole system. To make a specific and almost funny point, you may
know everything about nutrition from a chemical point of view but if you
dont know how to cook well, or if your grandma is living 400 miles away
in the country and your wife is a CEO who cooks less than you, you are
going to end up fast fooding it.


3. Over work not laziness- I know people who work 70 hour week days and
they are becoming obese. Inactive maybe but definitely not lazy. The
U.S. worker works more hours than the European, almost 10 hours a week
more. This to me shows the lack of concern of US business for the health
of the worker. I figure if you cant get stuff done in regular work
hours then you are incompetent or you need to hire more people instead
of squeezing it out of a few.

4. Power and freedom. Most of us cant tolerate opinions that limit our
power and rightfully so. One can't live in an unhealthy system if one is
efficient metabolically and think some gym time will take care of it. I
have personally decided to totally change my lifestyle and seek a more
primitive simpler life cause the supreme effort that it takes to stay
lean in the US is not worth it too me. I would rather live in a place
that the system is healthy and be healthy without conscious thought. The
trade off as i see it in my life is material wealth for personal,
community and social richness.

Hope this can get the discussion going ,
diego


Hoarding phenomena- i forgot who spoke of their grandparents passing
through the depression, but i thought you might like to know that a
study of dieting showed food obsession and food hoarding behavior as
results of low cal diets. It is the way the body and mind fights to get
enough food. It us usually why diets fail.
 
Hmm..i have lots to say to this...

Point #1...Where the heck did he get the info that it is just as hard for a skinny guy to gain a few pounds as it is for an overweight person to lose. There doesn't seem to be any proof.

Point #2...Of course it can't change the entire system that would be like asking everyone to be an athlete. This will never happen. The whole system will never be flawless especially in North America. But in the case of individuals i believe that they can lose weight. Period. And don't start quoting exceptions because that is what they are.

Point #3...This doesn't mean that they are being active in their jobs burning calories. These days, manual labour jobs are dwindling down. These people are most likely sittin at a desk somewhere and if they aren't than they most likely are not as obese.

Point #4...proves the point of laziness. I know i am being hard on these people but there MUST be some cases where the positive benefits of leanness are better than the alternate choice. But i do agree that it would be easier to not consciously keep track of our health so much. But heck, we were born here so now we have to deal with it.

Ok i am done.
 
Sebass67 said:
Hmm..i have lots to say to this...

Point #1...Where the heck did he get the info that it is just as hard for a skinny guy to gain a few pounds as it is for an overweight person to lose. There doesn't seem to be any proof.

Point #2...Of course it can't change the entire system that would be like asking everyone to be an athlete. This will never happen. The whole system will never be flawless especially in North America. But in the case of individuals i believe that they can lose weight. Period. And don't start quoting exceptions because that is what they are.

Point #3...This doesn't mean that they are being active in their jobs burning calories. These days, manual labour jobs are dwindling down. These people are most likely sittin at a desk somewhere and if they aren't than they most likely are not as obese.

Point #4...proves the point of laziness. I know i am being hard on these people but there MUST be some cases where the positive benefits of leanness are better than the alternate choice. But i do agree that it would be easier to not consciously keep track of our health so much. But heck, we were born here so now we have to deal with it.

Ok i am done.

Cool reply, thanx!

Howeever I have to disagree about point number 1. Some people eat very little yet they gain weight. I eat lots and dont gain alot of weight. For some people it is just hard to gain weight with more muscle/faster metabolism. And yeh there are many 98 pound people who eat everything they like yet they never gain weight. So its hard for some people to gain weight. !!!!!
 
SSAlexSS said:


Cool reply, thanx!

Howeever I have to disagree about point number 1. Some people eat very little yet they gain weight. I eat lots and dont gain alot of weight. For some people it is just hard to gain weight with more muscle/faster metabolism. And yeh there are many 98 pound people who eat everything they like yet they never gain weight. So its hard for some people to gain weight. !!!!!
There are some good points in the first post.
However, it's not completely true.
I agree, there are LOTS of factors........I do belive that genetics, etc do play a ROLE.
I gain weight SO freakin easily.I have freinds that eat crap and crap and crap all day and dont do squat and they are thin.
I have a best freind who is rather large, and on a given day I eat MORE than her...no kidding.
But, it's not NOT thier fault. they must work harder.They don't.
If she was CONSISANT with excercise and eating healthy then the weight WILL come off...........
 
I have to agree with SSAlexSS here.

It's probably just as hard for an obese person to lose a significant amount of fat as it is for a skinny guy to gain a significant amount of muscle.
 
nevertoobig said:
I have to agree with SSAlexSS here.

It's probably just as hard for an obese person to lose a significant amount of fat as it is for a skinny guy to gain a significant amount of muscle.
It is. But it can be done. If they refuse to be consistant with thier program then it IS thier fault..............
 
Oh, I do remember reading or hearing somewhere a while back that once you reach a certain weight/ BMI (Like i can barely get out the house huge I guess) that some process or something in the body (not outside factors...no one MAKES them go to mcDonalds) makes it extremely difficult to lose weight..I'll have to find that........
 
I think your points are some what valid.

But i, as a person who would like to live fit & healthy, i would much rather live in US.
Why ? because in us, as far as i have seen in this an other boards, healthy food is cheap and easy to get.
If you want to live healthy in US, it is fucking easy, and cheap too, as far is i know (correct me if i am wrong)

To give you some perspective i will list some of the prices i pay for healthy groceries in scandinavia.

Chicken breast: 250gr (8oz) - 3$
Skim milk: - 1 liter (3,5 liters = gallon) - 85 cents
Grinded 3-6% beef: 3,5$ an lb
Normal low fat meat - various prices (4-6$ for 8oz), but i generally cant afford to eat it at all, im a student
1 Can of tuna - 200gr, 140gr drained - 80 cents

Protein powder: cheapest source of whey: 10lb = 130$

:bawling::bawling::bawling::bawling::bawling:

Now this is, as far as i have seen on the boards, WAAAY more expensive than in the US.:confused:

My point is, if you WANT to try to live healthy, eating low fat and low calories, you have a truckload of oportunities in US, because you can get healthy food for like, no money ?
And in US shops, ive heard that you can find both low fat AND low calorie foods :confused: (correct me again if im wrong :)
In scandinavia, we ONLY have low fat food, which again is charged with sugar.:mad:

On top of that, you have big supplements companies like gnc, you have ECA, which is illigal in some scandinavian countries.

US would be by far the easiest modern country to live in if you know how to diet, and you (that would be fat people) have no excuse not to, because if you are 100lb overweight, the least you can do is spend 5 hours leaning how to eat proberbly!!

And oh yah, i used to be fat......

Ok om done now... :D
 
"diet food" here in america costs more than the regular food. things that are sugar free or fat free for the most part cost more. why? it's more profitable to sell refined foods and high glycemic carb based foods for a few bucks than it is to sell healthier foods for the same cost. personally, keto diets are a good thing for obese people, not overweight but overfat per se.
 
SSAlexSS said:


Cool reply, thanx!

Howeever I have to disagree about point number 1. Some people eat very little yet they gain weight. I eat lots and dont gain alot of weight. For some people it is just hard to gain weight with more muscle/faster metabolism. And yeh there are many 98 pound people who eat everything they like yet they never gain weight. So its hard for some people to gain weight. !!!!!

Yeah but you are not looking at the context of these situations. Perhaps the person who eats very little(which i still think is unlikely if they stil gain weight) has a very slow metabolism CAUSED by the fact that her body has reacted and slowed down a slow metabolism to an even slower one. More efficient that way i believe. And say those 98 people ate like that for ages do you think that it would not be such a stretch to say that their metabolism sped up over the years of overfeeding and has become less efficient.

Just an idea...tell me what u think.
 
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