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anabolicmd
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Darktooth said:ogre
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If Im wrong you win a hat.
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If Im wrong you win a hat.
SofaGeorge
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That's that serial killer.... can't remember his name... genius level IQ
ffknight84
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http://www.crimelibrary.com/serials/kemper/kempermain.htm
http://www.thecrimeweb.com/edkemper.htm
Not only is he HUGE but he's MEAN too
http://www.thecrimeweb.com/edkemper.htm
Not only is he HUGE but he's MEAN too
scary dude
Robert Jan
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thats what happens when you raise your kid shitty
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Code
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Why does everyone feel like a bad childhood is a major contributing factor in becoming a serial killer?
They should cut off his balls and let him choke on them. Dang pycho killers we need to kill them savagely to let the other potential whacos know what is gonig to happen to them if they kill innocent people. I can't believe were feeding and housing that whack. Our society is stupid. Plain liberal stupid.
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PoyeBoy said:
Whoa bro, meds run out?
Testosterone boy
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Code said:
It is.
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Code
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guards said:
For the media it is almost an exclusive reason for being a serial killer. For the defense it's an excuse.
Millions of people have crumby childhood experiences and just plain crumby childhoods.
I can see it's a minor factor, but not MAJOR. And it damn sure isn't an excuse.
Testosterone boy
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I'd say his mother created a monster by locking him in the cellar for days at a time etc.
Interesting that the police ignored numerous attempts to turn himself in. I'll bet that happens a lot.
Interesting that the police ignored numerous attempts to turn himself in. I'll bet that happens a lot.
THeMaCHinE
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He lives as a testament, learning tool and warning ...
chanmanfoo
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curling said:
we are not dogs.
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chanmanfoo said:
You're right he is worse than a dog. A dog wouldn't kill for the sake of killer cut off girl dogs and heads and then screw them. I am telliing screw learning about what made this guy kill. It's easy. He's nuts. And he should be tortured on tv for every other nut to see and then wasted.
Code said:
Nobody said it's an excuse but it is a factor that is consistent with people who commit these types of crimes. Sexual, physical, and psychological abuse as a pre-emptive factor are well known and well-documented with regards to serial killers and violent criminals.
I agree that the media overplays it and the defense try to get off iwth it...but it cannot be ignored as playing an integral role in the production of violent crime and criminality.
casavant
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curling said:
Yeeeeaaah..... a deterrent.....riiiight. Being as how serial killers are such reasonable, rational creatures already, I'm sure that would work like a charm.
I personally wouldn't care if this Edmund guy, or any other diabolical cocksucker out there, were banished to the depths of hell where some thorny-cocked demon scooped out his insides and used him as a prophylactic while fucking a pungi pit, but to think that you can "make an example" to deter these wack jobs is unrealistic, to say the least.
THeMaCHinE
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They'd probably get off on seeing the torture.
notoriousQQ
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sex w/ a headless corpse . wtf? 
SofaGeorge
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An element that has been long missed by criminologist and the media is the link between a disease called Topomenengitis (spelling?) and serial killers. The menge is the layer of tissue over the brain. With Topomenengitis it becomes inflamed when exposed to alcohol... and those with the disease becoem cruel, perverted, evil.
The link...
Every known serial killer committed EVERY one of his known crimes under the influence of alcohol.
Bundy, Dahmer, Gacy... they call committed EVERY one of their crimes after drinking... in some cases very small amounts of alcohol.
It is a belief of some that serial killers are not raised. They are a genetic abnormality... carrying a condition that makes them homicidal when exposed to alcohol... hence their ability to pass themselves off as normal in society for long periods of time.
The link...
Every known serial killer committed EVERY one of his known crimes under the influence of alcohol.
Bundy, Dahmer, Gacy... they call committed EVERY one of their crimes after drinking... in some cases very small amounts of alcohol.
It is a belief of some that serial killers are not raised. They are a genetic abnormality... carrying a condition that makes them homicidal when exposed to alcohol... hence their ability to pass themselves off as normal in society for long periods of time.
Testosterone boy
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Now that is interesting SG. They need to develop a test for that desease. Lots of people disappear....who knows how many were killed?
Lao Tzu
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The FBI profiler John Douglas was once interviewing Kemper in a room at a prison. there were no other people in the room and the guards weren't stationed at the door so Kemper puts his arm around Douglas and says something like 'you know i could kill you right now, theres nobody else here and the guards won't hear anything', then he laughs about it. after that there had to be 2 FBI agents in a room to interview a serial killer.
Classic. i wish i could've seen Douglas's face when that happened. he strikes me as such an asshole.
Classic. i wish i could've seen Douglas's face when that happened. he strikes me as such an asshole.
Darktooth said:
That's what I am saying torture and waste the dude.
Cassavant, I see your point but I still think torturing and killing them on TV would be a deterent. These guys are usually wimpy cowards they don't like pain just like none of us do. In this country they know if they get caught they will just serve time no torture. But if they knew there was torture I bet it really deter them somewhat. It would be interesting to see if there are wacky killers in countries that don't put up with no bs and torture and kill bad people like in Singapore or somewhere you where they cut your hand off for stealing.(not saying we should do that but I am just giving an example)
casavant
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curling said:
LOL. I'm still not sure if I agree with you, but after posting on this thread the other day, I did a search for books by the profiler John Douglas here in my library. Turned out we have "Mindhunter", so I checked it out and have thus far read about 330 pages into it and am almost done. It's a fascinating book.
In a part on Ed Kemper, Douglas said that when he was being sentenced for his crimes, the judge asked Kemper himself what he thought a fitting punishment would be for his crimes.
Kemper's exact words: "Death by torture."
I shit you not. I thought that was a funny coincidence considering the debate on this thread and all.SofaGeorge
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guards said:
Incorrect... Dahmer drank for every murder.
Joseph Mengele is not classified as a serial killer... even though he is responsible for many murders.
Paul Bernardo drank heavily. Bernardo and Homolka are not identified as "serial" killers. They are "couples" killers... it is a different profile... but with Bernardo's alcohol problem it would be difficult to fully classify which pattern he should come under. There weren't enough murders for him to be a full pattern killer. (Two with the same MO... one without. The one without the same MO was also an accidental homicide.) It would be more accurate to describe Bernardo as a probable serial killer with topomenagitis if you follow his other pattern crimes as a rapist... but there hasn't been enough digging into those cases.
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Kemper's exact words: "Death by torture."
That is wild. I wonder why that judge didn't oblidge I mean he asked for it. I could here the bleeding heart liberals now. That is just not human he deserves rights too. Yea, just like those girls deserved some too. Garbage him like a trash he is. Thats it throw him into a human size garbage disposal slowly.
SofaGeorge
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Lumberg said:
Kemper is a very unique bird. I've seen many interviews with him. He has a genius level IQ... is very chatty and insightful.
He talked about his last 'pick up' before he turned himself in. He picked the girl up... and demonstrated to himself that he could control himself and not kill her. Then he turned himself in because he still didn't undestand what the beast was inside of him... or how to fully be sure it was under control. He's one of the very few serial killers ever to turn himself in as a way of ensuring that his crimes were stopped.
One of the interesting elements that comes out in interviews with Kemper and other serial killers is that even they are aware of the horrific nature of what they are doing... but they can't gain control of stopping it. (Hence the topomenagitis theory.)
SofaGeorge
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danielson said:
It comes back to the same thing... he is really smart.
I've worked in the joint and usually inmates are stupid... true world class dummies... that is why they get caught in the first place. It is always unique and interesting when you meet highly intelligent inmates. They are the guys you learn from.
Years ago I met one inmate who crafted the most brilliant con game I had ever seen. He stole millions. It's hard to explain but it was a shipping and receiving scam where he would simply delay and reroute train shipments of goods... and fill the order with the next train shipment.
His crime was so brilliant that the courts agreed to cut his sentence to almost nothing if he would simply teach the fraud investigators how he did it. He walked with millions of stolen booty. Part of his deal was he didn't have to give the cash back. (They couldn't really claim it either. His plan was so detailed they couldn't pin point what was stolen.)
Burning_Inside
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Funniest post all week
casavant
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curling said:
Curling, torture should never, ever be condoned in our society no matter how much the son-of-a-bitch deserves it. With rare exception, serial killers grew up in extremely dysfuntional homes where they've already been subjected to emotional and physical abuse. Can you imagine a generation of little kids that not only grew up in abusive homes, but that were allowed to witness government sanctioned torture on their TV sets. Do you honestly think that would have a positive impact on the levels of violence in our society? Would that encourage sympathy for others?
I finished "Mindhunter", it was a good read. He also has a website [ www.johndouglasmindhunter.com ], with some really interesting articles. This guy has seen more acts of depravity and their aftermaths than damn near anyone, and he does not sympathize one bit with serial killers. He thinks they need to be executed. Not once, however, does he advocate public torture.
Calling the shots
Inadequacy is a factor in most serial killers. These men feel insignificant and powerless. And now, they figure, they can get it all back. They can get power by controlling others. They can feel important, like they've accomplished something.
They don't identify with their victims or feel any sympathy toward them. As they see it, they've been victims all their lives, dominated and controlled by other people. This is their chance to call the shots -- to decide who lives or dies and how someone should die.
Forget rehabilitation when it comes to serial killers. They have a different kind of thinking pattern than other people. You can't reprogram a brain like that with counseling. How could any treatment turn around that way of thinking? You basically just have to write them off.
http://www.johndouglasmindhunter.com/articles/030209.php
Serial killers deserve to die
I argue that his victims never had a choice, so why should he? If I had one case to cite, one instance where a violent criminal at Maturino Resendiz's level was treated successfully and rehabilitated into a healthy human being, I might feel differently. But I know this: Serial killers cannot be rehabilitated. I'd stake my life on it.
So if he spends his life in a mental institution instead of being put to death, it will be because the jury feels that due to whatever debilitating, impairing mental disorder the defense will claim he has, they must act mercifully toward him and spare his life.
Serial killers don't deserve our mercy. For the murders they've committed, I believe they deserve to die. To prevent them from killing again, I believe they deserve to die. I don't apologize for those statements. I've looked into the eyes of so many serial killers and seen not just an utter lack of remorse but a frightening truth: If you let me out, I'll do it again.
http://www.johndouglasmindhunter.com/articles/030201.php
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Robert Jan
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Torture is BS.
i say put them to death quickly and painlessly.
its not like they havent had enough pain in their lives. just get rid of them.
i say put them to death quickly and painlessly.
its not like they havent had enough pain in their lives. just get rid of them.
casavant
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curling said:
Curling, if someone in my family were killed the way some of the people in Douglas's book were killed, I'd want to nail their balls to a kerosene-soaked stump, light it on fire, hand them a dull knife, and give them the choice of castrating themselves or burning to death. If they chose the former, they'd eat the barrel of a 12-gauge shotgun after about three steps.
This is why laws can't be based on purely subjective criteria. Noone should be expected to decide on a punishment in keeping with the long-term benefit of society after having a loved one tortured, raped, eviscerated, and posed post-mortemly with an umbrella shoved up their vagina.
This is why we have courts of law with pre-determined punishment guidelines and such. This is also why a killer would never be tried in a court whose presiding judge was acquainted or kin to the victim(s).
You picking up what I'm putting down?
Testosterone boy
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I think torture can be called for in setting an example for extreme situations. I would not oppose a day of torturing OBL though I would not want to personally do it.
