If Georgia doesn't get a chance..

[Megalomaniac]

to play in the national championship game I think I may boycott college football until they change the system. There is no way in hell they should get bumped down in the rankings 3 spots for not playing. This is the bad thing about the system but they have the rank to get the title shot and shouldn't get robbed. I'm saying this even though I hate SE US football.

 

[borris]

bro, turn on your TV Missouri is getting beat right now!

 

[PICK3]

to play in the national championship game I think I may boycott college football until they change the system. There is no way in hell they should get bumped down in the rankings 3 spots for not playing. This is the bad thing about the system but they have the rank to get the title shot and shouldn't get robbed. I'm saying this even though I hate SE US football.

As an LSU fan I fear Georgia more than any other team right now, though it's doubtful they meet.

 

[nimbus]

georgia doesn't even have the best record in their own conference, let alone the league

 

[Megalomaniac]

bro, turn on your TV Missouri is getting beat right now!

Ya I'm watching it but all the announcers are saying LSU should jump from 7 to 2 and get the shot. I say that is some major b.s. If that is what they think they should have never ranked Georgia 4 and LSU 7.

 

[Dial_tone]

As the resident EF Georgia Bulldog fan I have to say I think Ohio State should play LSU, although I think we are playing as well as anyone in the country right now.

 

[Megalomaniac]

As the resident EF Georgia Bulldog fan I have to say I think Ohio State should play LSU, although I think we are playing as well as anyone in the country right now.

I say garbage, I think Georgia would have beat LSU today.

 

[PICK3]

I say garbage, I think Georgia would have beat LSU today.

But, do you think Georgia has had a better season than LSU?

 

[Dial_tone]

But, do you think Georgia has had a better season than LSU?

Are you/should you be picking who has the best season or who is playing the hottest RIGHT NOW? Keep in mind that IF there was a playoff system RIGHT NOW is all that would matter.

If a team lost the first 4 then snuck into a playoff system at 8-4 they could easily beat a team that went 11-1/12-0 if they were playing better RIGHT NOW.

 

[nimbus]

Are you/should you be picking who has the best season or who is playing the hottest RIGHT NOW? Keep in mind that IF there was a playoff system RIGHT NOW is all that would matter.

If a team lost the first 4 then snuck into a playoff system at 8-4 they could easily beat a team that went 11-1/12-0 if they were playing better RIGHT NOW.

i think consistency and depth are very necessary attributes of a great team, and choosing the "hottest" as the top playoff/championship seeds renders those obsolete. Maryland going into the '07 march madness tourney was easily the hottest team in the ACC and possibly the league, but got owned in the 2nd round. It came as a big surprise to lots of people, except for those who had been watching their mediocre season from the start

 

[PICK3]

Are you/should you be picking who has the best season or who is playing the hottest RIGHT NOW? Keep in mind that IF there was a playoff system RIGHT NOW is all that would matter.

If a team lost the first 4 then snuck into a playoff system at 8-4 they could easily beat a team that went 11-1/12-0 if they were playing better RIGHT NOW.

I'm not sure. Without a playoff sytem the merits of the total season has to be a major factor.

LSU lost by 6 points on the road at Kentucky and 2 points in 3 OT's to Ark.

Today they won the SEC championship with their 2nd string QB going the distance and their best defense player (Dorsey) out for most of the game. But, like I said earlier ... I'd have real concerns about playing Georgia right now.

 

[Dial_tone]

i think consistency and depth are very necessary attributes of a great team, and choosing the "hottest" as the top playoff/championship seeds renders those obsolete. Maryland going into the '07 march madness tourney was easily the hottest team in the ACC and possibly the league, but got owned in the 2nd round.

So Maryland lost on the way to the championship game. The system worked. Georgia has won six straight and the championship game is next. They're either in or out. What do you do?

Sure, they didn't make the conference championship game but OSU doesn't even have to play one. Not that they need to in the Big Two Plus Nine Conference. It's OSU, Michigan and 9 other fillers. Ten of the 12 teams in the SEC have winning records. Nine of them will probably go to a bowl game.

 

[nimbus]

So Maryland lost on the way to the championship game. The system worked. Georgia has won six straight and the championship game is next. They're either in or out. What do you do?

Sure, they didn't make the conference championship game but OSU doesn't even have to play one. Not that they need to in the Big Two Plus Nine Conference. It's OSU, Michigan and 9 other fillers. Ten of the 12 teams in the SEC have winning records. Nine of them will probably go to a bowl game.

the system didn't work because there were other teams with more consistent seasons who were more deserving of the 4 seed.

As for the big 10 it is definitely a weaker conference than the SEC but i don't think it's really fair to call wisconsin, purdue, and penn state fillers. I don't think any team has a right to complain about not playing in the championship unless they're in a major conference and their only losses came from top 10 teams.

 

[Scotsman]

If you can't even win your own division then why should you be allowed to play for a national championship. This includes several teams. This year really points out how crappy the bcs system really is.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[nimbus]

If you can't even win your own division then why should you be allowed to play for a national championship. This includes several teams. This year really points out how crappy the bcs system really is.

Cheers,
Scotsman

they haven't even adjusted the rankings yet, lol! how can you criticize results that don't even exist yet?

 

[Dial_tone]

If you can't even win your own division then why should you be allowed to play for a national championship. This includes several teams. This year really points out how crappy the bcs system really is.

Cheers,
Scotsman

When the top four teams in your division would make the final of any other conference in the country...thats why.

I seem to recall a lot of moaning and whining last year about how Michigan should play OSU for the title last year when they didn't win their conference.

 

[Beaumont]

As it stands now, nobody could make a legitimate case for any team to play for the championship.

 

[Megalomaniac]

But, do you think Georgia has had a better season than LSU?

No I know that LSU had the best season out of every team without a doubt. With that being said I am a firm believer that it comes down to the end and who is playing best there. The regular season is to dictate which teams make it in and then who ever is the hottest at the end is the best team, just like the NFL,NBA,NCAA,NHL,MLB, ect. Right now Georgia, USC, Oklahoma, Ohio State are the hottest teams and would show that in a better system.

Nimbus
"i think consistency and depth are very necessary attributes of a great team, and choosing the "hottest" as the top playoff/championship seeds renders those obsolete. "
Then why don't all the above organizations treat it that way?


Scotsman
" If you can't even win your own division then why should you be allowed to play for a national championship. This includes several teams. This year really points out how crappy the bcs system really is. "
Because they were a team who grew over the season, their ranking above LSU/Kansas proves that. That is why they deserve it , because they are a better team right now. If you want to give the best team early in the season the shot then why play the rest of the games?

 

[Scotsman]

they haven't even adjusted the rankings yet, lol! how can you criticize results that don't even exist yet?

Simple the only undefeated team probably won't crack the top 8. At least one of the title contenders will be a 2 loss team unless someone gets leapfrogged. The other teams that have only one loss won't get a chance. A #1 team was beaten by an unranked yet only fell 4 spots but when the next #1 lost to #4 they dropped five spots. I can go on if need be but you tell me how accurate any of this seems.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[Scotsman]

When the top four teams in your division would make the final of any other conference in the country...thats why.

I seem to recall a lot of moaning and whining last year about how Michigan should play OSU for the title last year when they didn't win their conference.

Same could be said for the ACC or pac-10 oh and LSU (Whom I fucking despise) did manage to win the sec. Both are two loss teams and shouldn't be ranked as high as they are when there is one unbeaten and more than one single loss teams left in the mix. Except for the top two teams in the SEC the next two have four losses so how do you figure that's good enough to win any other division (Except the sunbelt GO ASU!). Whereas in the ACC you have to get to the fifth spot before four losses show up.

Neither UM or OSU deserved it especially since they don't even play all the teams in their own conference every year. The only logical choice is a playoff system if they want a true national champ to be decided. Otherwise it's all political bullshit with the AP voting.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[nimbus]

Simple the only undefeated team probably won't crack the top 8. At least one of the title contenders will be a 2 loss team unless someone gets leapfrogged. The other teams that have only one loss won't get a chance. A #1 team was beaten by an unranked yet only fell 4 spots but when the next #1 lost to #4 they dropped five spots. I can go on if need be but you tell me how accurate any of this seems.

Cheers,
Scotsman

As for hawaii, they played a joke schedule. Teams are never going to get high in the rankings playing exclusively joke opponents because strength of schedule is built into the rankings. Unless you've watched hawaii play a few games and are very familiar with their personnel, you can't really say where they should be ranked.

there's no set amount to "drop" a team when they lose, you just reevaluate quality of a team in light of the loss, and if you then feel that other teams are better then you move them ahead.

 

[nimbus]

No I know that LSU had the best season out of every team without a doubt. With that being said I am a firm believer that it comes down to the end and who is playing best there. The regular season is to dictate which teams make it in and then who ever is the hottest at the end is the best team, just like the NFL,NBA,NCAA,NHL,MLB, ect. Right now Georgia, USC, Oklahoma, Ohio State are the hottest teams and would show that in a better system.

Nimbus
"i think consistency and depth are very necessary attributes of a great team, and choosing the "hottest" as the top playoff/championship seeds renders those obsolete. "
Then why don't all the above organizations treat it that way?

dude, pretty much every position league looks at the overall schedule of an opponent and not "who's hot." I know for a fact nfl, nba, and nhl playoffs are based solely on season records

 

[MichaelScott]

i think lsu will slip by

 

[binö]

So Maryland lost on the way to the championship game. The system worked. Georgia has won six straight and the championship game is next. They're either in or out. What do you do?

Sure, they didn't make the conference championship game but OSU doesn't even have to play one. Not that they need to in the Big Two Plus Nine Conference. It's OSU, Michigan and 9 other fillers. Ten of the 12 teams in the SEC have winning records. Nine of them will probably go to a bowl game.

you fucking dixieland hater
msu, purdue, wisconsin, psu are not scrub teams

 

[Megalomaniac]

dude, pretty much every position league looks at the overall schedule of an opponent and not "who's hot." I know for a fact nfl, nba, and nhl playoffs are based solely on season records

Yeah season records get you into the post season but at that point it only matters who is hot. All sports only care about who is hot at the end of the season except college football.

 

[Scotsman]

As for hawaii, they played a joke schedule. Teams are never going to get high in the rankings playing exclusively joke opponents because strength of schedule is built into the rankings. Unless you've watched hawaii play a few games and are very familiar with their personnel, you can't really say where they should be ranked.

there's no set amount to "drop" a team when they lose, you just reevaluate quality of a team in light of the loss, and if you then feel that other teams are better then you move them ahead.

I have watched several of Hawaii's games and they are very impressive. The comback against UW last night was proof of that.

So it's fair for one team to drop more than the others even when they were beat by a better team? That's just bullshit. OSU should have fallen out of the top ten for losing to IU just like UM dropped from loosing to Appalachian State.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[Dial_tone]

I have watched several of Hawaii's games and they are very impressive. The comback against UW last night was proof of that.

True. Several times this year they have battled back for last minute wins while playing the 118th most difficult schedule in the country...out of 120 teams. There is something to be said for a team that wins every game no matter who it is. Most teams nut up at least one game a year....but is a 118 SOS ranking worthy of a top ten ranking? I have to say no, even though I love Hawaii enough that I'm considering joining their Booster club.

 

[Scotsman]

True. Several times this year they have battled back for last minute wins while playing the 118th most difficult schedule in the country...out of 120 teams. There is something to be said for a team that wins every game no matter who it is. Most teams nut up at least one game a year....but is a 118 SOS ranking worthy of a top ten ranking? I have to say no, even though I love Hawaii enough that I'm considering joining their Booster club.

So Boise State is the 118th team in FBS? I thought they were a top 20 team when they lost to the warriors.

So why didn't anyone else go undefeated even with some of the weak schedules out there? Is florida deserving to be in the top ten with three losses? Should Kansas at 11-1 have dropped three spots by being leapfrogged by teams with a worse record who play in an easier division? I'm not saying Hawaii deserves a shot at the title but to be ranked behind teams that can't: win as many games, win their division, stay unbeaten, etc... It's all fucking bullshit. I've hated the BCS since it's second year when it showed that if the teams that are ranked in the top ten at the beggining of the year don't win out it can't keep up.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[digimon7068]

it's all bullshit until they have a 16 team playoff system in place. . .anything less will always leave too many unanswered questions.

div 1-aa does it, div 2 does it, div 3 does it. . .and academics are infinitely more important to those athletes that don't stand a snowball's chance in hell (with very few exceptions) of ever making the show. . .

for chrissakes. . .pretty much every state in the union has a playoff system in place for the state championship. . .

there is no excuse. . .give the people what they want. . .ncaa. . .national commission of aging assholes. . .

 

[gotmilk]

fuck Ohio State...

Georgia versus Oklahoma is going to make a great bowl game.

 

[binö]

I have watched several of Hawaii's games and they are very impressive. The comback against UW last night was proof of that.

So it's fair for one team to drop more than the others even when they were beat by a better team? That's just bullshit. OSU should have fallen out of the top ten for losing to IU just like UM dropped from loosing to Appalachian State.
Cheers,
Scotsman

lol!
illnios is ranked 13th and is a big ten team
applachian state is a small 2A school
not even the same comparison, sorry you just got pwned

 

[mountain muscle]

There is no good justification for not having a playoff system to determine the national champion.

I can't believe people actually try to defend the BCS. Money and politics.

Playoff system and keep the bowl games as money makers for those not in the race anymore.

 

[digimon7068]

There is no good justification for not having a playoff system to determine the national champion.

I can't believe people actually try to defend the BCS. Money and politics.

Playoff system and keep the bowl games as money makers for those not in the race anymore.

shit. . .use the friggin' bowl games AS the playoff system. . .

 

[Dial_tone]

There is no good justification for not having a playoff system to determine the national champion.

It's ALLLLLLLL about money and the distribution of it. There are plenty of reasons for not having a playoff and they're all green.

 

[nimbus]

lol!
illnios is ranked 13th and is a big ten team
applachian state is a small 2A school
not even the same comparison, sorry you just got pwned

beat me to it

 

[binö]

beat me to it

and i've never heard illinois called IU before
i think he was thinking of indiana

 

[nimbus]

fuck i love the bcs so much. i love that strength of schedule matters. i love watching how the rankings change each week when top seeds drop the ball. I love the arguing by the media. I wish they would take away the coaches poll, because obviously that is biased (unless they already did, i thought maybe i heard somethign about this?) I think it does a pretty good job; i don't see deserving teams really getting screwed over. i think losing to an unranked team instantly revokes your right to complain when it's time to pick #1 and #2. georgia should b happy they're gonna play in a bcs bowl

 

[Dial_tone]

it's all bullshit until they have a 16 team playoff system in place. . .anything less will always leave too many unanswered questions.

div 1-aa does it, div 2 does it, div 3 does it. . .

What the other divisions do is 100% irrelevant BECAUSE they never had a bowl system in place and there's no money to give up.

8 team playoff - A total of 7 games. 7 host cities benefit...versus the 32 cities that currently benefit from hosting a bowl game...and that's assuming you don't host multiple games in one city. The chambers of commerce of 25 cities will be highly upset you just messed with their money.

8 team playoff - one winner...versus the 16 schools that get to call themselves "champions" of one the 32 current bowls....or should we have a North, South, East and West champion?

Bowl game payouts range from $300K per team for the Papa John's Bowl to $17 MILLION (divided among every school in the conference) for a BCS bowl. 10 of the 12 schools in the SEC are bowl eligible. There are likely only enough bowls to invite 9 of them...but heck, even if Miss. State sits at home they get some of UGA's Orange Bowl moolah. With an 8 team playoff only one school will see a dime. That's a lot of money you just messed with....not to mention the exposure and merchandise sales and other revenue streams tied to a BCS game.

All these people whose money you're messing with don't wanna hear "I'm sure you'll come out ahead with a playoff system....I think....no, I'm positive....mostly". They want it in writing, like the current bowl payouts are.

Right now the tv networks get to sell inflated commercial rates to 32 games. With even a 16 team playoff thats cut in half. I don't think there's a snowballs chance of seeing more than 8 teams in a playoff. Unlike basketball a team can't play 2-3 times in a week and you still have to factor in conference championships.

You can cry til you're blue in the face. You're never going to see a playoff system that replaces the bowl system; only one that comes after current bowls.

It's all about distribution of wealth and a playoff system doesn't answer that.

 

[digimon7068]

fuck i love the bcs so much. i love that strength of schedule matters. i love watching how the rankings change each week when top seeds drop the ball. I love the arguing by the media. I wish they would take away the coaches poll, because obviously that is biased (unless they already did, i thought maybe i heard somethign about this?) I think it does a pretty good job; i don't see deserving teams really getting screwed over. i think losing to an unranked team instantly revokes your right to complain when it's time to pick #1 and #2. georgia should b happy they're gonna play in a bcs bowl

guess that eliminates lsu after losing to unranked arkansas. . .

 

[nimbus]

guess that eliminates lsu after losing to unranked arkansas. . .

did you really not grasp what i meant when i said "right to complain"? obviously you still have to pick somebody. but if you;re gonna bitch about not being picked to play in the championship, handle your shit during the season first.

 

[digimon7068]

did you really not grasp what i meant when i said "right to complain"? obviously you still have to pick somebody. but if you;re gonna bitch about not being picked to play in the championship, handle your shit during the season first.

i'm not disagreeing with you at all. . .i just heard some of the pundits on espn this morning lobbying for lsu. . .and usc. . .i say fuck lsu and usc. . .however, if there was a 16 team (or even an 8 team) playoff, i think the results would be surprising (or at least compelling). . .especially this year. . .

 

[Dial_tone]

UGA-Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl.

 

[Scotsman]

lol!
illnios is ranked 13th and is a big ten team
applachian state is a small 2A school
not even the same comparison, sorry you just got pwned

Illinios is now but were unranked at the time they beat OSU. So same scenario you lost to an unranked as the #1 team and only fall five spots? When Kansas the #2 loses to #4 and falls to #8 in the last poll. So how now did I get owned?

You can't look at final rankings you have to look at when the game occured smart guy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex?seasonYear=2007&weekNumber=11&seasonType=2 and here's the week 10 (When IU beat OSU)

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[Scotsman]

and i've never heard illinois called IU before
i think he was thinking of indiana

So I can't abbreviate a school name? That automatically refutes my argument?

At least I can remember to capitalize proper names.

Cheers,
Scotsman