I will pay!!!!!!

[JKurz1]

someone their weight in gold if you can HELP me change my ways. I've been cutting for so long now, I have no idea what the flip side is like. I would LOVE to have someone critique my "day in the life", make edit changes, and send them to me. I'm pretty sure I have OCD, as I havent missed cardio in years, but I want to learn how to break this vicious cycle. My goal is to put on 20lbs of LEAN mass over the next year....if you persuade me, make me change, I will be forever indebted...........

THis is my routine............I can't put on any weight, but I'm also scared to increase my bf% too much.........could you analyze this and help me? 6'2, 185, %bf unsure - see avat.. for estimate...mucho K

15 wake
4:30 35 min. cardio
6:00 3/4 cup oats, 1 cup egg whites,, 1 scoop whey
9:00 - 3/4 cup oats, 2 scoops whey, 1 cup dry curd cc, 1tb of ANPB, little skim milk
noon - 6oz chx, 6oz yam, big salad, steamed veggies
230 - 1/2 cup oats, 1 cup dry curd cc, 1 tb of ANPB, some skim
4:30 - train
600 - PW SHake
8:00 - 1 cup dry curd, 3-4 handfulls of peanuts, scoop of casein.........
9:00 bed

 

[mcr]

Bro, have you ever tried a tren cycle (test prop/tren stack most likely)?

People I know who have run that cycle have been able to GREATLY increase their calorie intake and gain lean mass while staying lean, or even losing more bodyfat. It would allow you to add more substantial foods such as rice, and more calorie-dense foods such as steak, without worrying about "oh my god my waist will go up".

That's the cycle I plan next (prop/tren) for those very reasons

 

[JKurz1]

Hmmm....no other way eh? tren acetate (fina) or tren enanthate (fina)
test prop ? What does your cycle look like?

 

[baby DBOL]

I'd be interested in your weight training routine and length.

also. the tren/winny/prop works great for lean muscle mass gains and reduces fat stores also.

how much protien a day are you getting.

I would drop the cardio, and see how it goes. It you train right, with little rest imbetween sets, you are getting both cardio and muscle training session. If you then start to chunkle up a little, add the cardio back but after your weight training session, that way after weight training you have deplenished all the blood glycogen and all you cardio will be truly fat burning.

 

[gregory]

So how many calories do you eat per day?
Are you a hard gainer?
How many cycles?

 

[bw1]

Bump your cal's up...I did something like this and it worked good. Maybe try this...

4:30: 35 min Cardio
6:00 10 oz London Broil, 3/4c oats
9:00 10 oz ground sirlion, 10 oz. red potato's, green veggies
12:00 10 oz chicken, 10 oz yams, salad with oil/vinegar dressing
2:30 8 oz turkey, 8 oz sweet potato, green veggies
4:30 Train
6:30 PWO drink
8:00 6 oz chicken, green veggies, 1 tbl flax oil.

 

[satchboogie]

bro..
first off, you should change your cutting/bulking routines often.
so dont go on a cutter or bulker too long unless of course you compete.

i follow the yo-yo diet plan..

7-14 days cutting..
followed immediately by 7-14 days bulking..

 

[JKurz1]

bro..
first off, you should change your cutting/bulking routines often.
so dont go on a cutter or bulker too long unless of course you compete.

i follow the yo-yo diet plan..

7-14 days cutting..
followed immediately by 7-14 days bulking..

Excellent posts fellas............my ? is, would you nix the cardio for an extra hour aof sleep?????????? Satch - how does your routine, diet change? Do you guys nix cardio, that's my biggest problem!

 

[bw1]

I would change the food first and see what happens...nothing wrong with the cardio in there. Heavy compound training, squats, deads etc.

 

[JKurz1]

The cardio, I think, is hurting my gains.............on an empty tank, it's great for cutting...not so when trying to add mass...........I currently do 7 days a week...........what if I scaled it down to 4?

 

[satchboogie]

Excellent posts fellas............my ? is, would you nix the cardio for an extra hour aof sleep?????????? Satch - how does your routine, diet change? Do you guys nix cardio, that's my biggest problem!

i dont do cardio period bro!

the only changes i make from bulkers to cutters is cal intake and supplementation.. keep in mind i like DNP at 200-400mg per day on cutting routines.. thus no cardio..

i suppose the addition of light cardio would speed up fat loss but i'm already so fuckin exhausted on cutters that the usually easy activity of getting out of bed seems like a task.

 

[21gun]

Go on a test cycle...preferably sust (works great for dramatic water absorbtion) and pack in 3-4 calorie dense meals per day plus any protein and or carb supplements for your other two meals. If your looking to gain weight, 1 pound per week would equal an increase of 3500 calories in your total food intake per week. Try this for 1 month and see how you progress, then adjust your calorie intake accordingly. Try to get in @40 grams of quality protein per meal every day.

 

[JKurz1]

i dont do cardio period bro!

the only changes i make from bulkers to cutters is cal intake and supplementation.. keep in mind i like DNP at 200-400mg per day on cutting routines.. thus no cardio..

i suppose the addition of light cardio would speed up fat loss but i'm already so fuckin exhausted on cutters that the usually easy activity of getting out of bed seems like a task.

what does your bulk cycle look like? How about your diet? Any other supplements????

 

[d3track]

i would add in more meats to your diet first
that seems to jump out at me as something that may help without throwing off your bf much

 

[mikebzt]

Honestly I would take satch's advise. He has mad a remarkable tranformation so he has to be doing something right. Would love to see his bulking cycle

 

[mcr]

bro..
first off, you should change your cutting/bulking routines often.
so dont go on a cutter or bulker too long unless of course you compete.

i follow the yo-yo diet plan..

7-14 days cutting..
followed immediately by 7-14 days bulking..

This sounds REALLY interesting and something that I'd like to do also. Are you doing this while on gear? Are you doing 2 weeks cutting, then 2 weeks bulking then repeat, while running the same drugs throughout?

 

[NYBodyguard]

you def need to add chicken and red meats

 

[mcr]

Hmmm....no other way eh? tren acetate (fina) or tren enanthate (fina)
test prop ? What does your cycle look like?

There are lots of other ways, but you make a sacrafice of either having slow gains, or getting some bloat/bulk.

I plan on running this next:
1-8 75mg tren ace EOD
1-10 100mg test prop EOD

A lot of bros I know have got some stunning results from that sort of cycle.

 

[biggeek]

The yo-yo diet plan works great.. BUT.. there have been recent medical studies showing that people that yo-yo their diet.. body size.. etc.. are more prone to illnesses and other problems later in life.. it reduces the ability of the immune system and keeps it there.. somehow.. someway.. was a long term study done by some university.. oh well.. who cares if you get sick.. you'll look damn good right? ha ha

 

[Ulter]

You only want 20 pounds in a year? You could do that standing on your head. There is no magic tricks involved in what you're asking, it's done all the time with steroids. Especially at your age.
I wouldn't yo yo diet though.
First of all you're not eating enough to gain 20 pounds of LBM. So get more protein.
Cardio is ok but just in order to train better. Don't use it until you have to cut and then only as a last resort.
You need to do a serious growth cycle and then cut, another growth cycle and then cut again but this time harder. And you'll be finished.
I suggest you run 600mg of NPP and 750mg of test for 10 weeks for the first cycle. Then run test 500mg and tren acetate 100mg/day for 6 weeks. All the time eating protein at 200-250gr/day. Then see where you're at and adjust your doses for the 2nd round. You should add 10 pounds of LBM each time. Use a thermogenic like Thermorexin every day and add Green Tea. Of course I recommend using ISO AGB as your protein.

 

[JKurz1]

There are lots of other ways, but you make a sacrafice of either having slow gains, or getting some bloat/bulk.

I plan on running this next:
1-8 75mg tren ace EOD
1-10 100mg test prop EOD

A lot of bros I know have got some stunning results from that sort of cycle.

I like the looks of this a little better............dont think Ill get there natty, eh?

 

[mcr]

I like the looks of this a little better............dont think Ill get there natty, eh?

It's not that bro - I've read your posts and know how dedicated you are. I have no doubt that you could do it natty if you're willing to live with some more bf% for a while - but just pointing out that you don't have to I've also seen your posts about low test levels anyway, which can't help matters when trying to add mass.

 

[biggeek]

I like the looks of this a little better............dont think Ill get there natty, eh?

That was the cycle I finished not too long ago.. put on about 15lbs LBM.. was a serious cycle.. was awesome really.. but anyway.. about getting there natural in one year.. yeah it's possible.. but you need to have some SERIOUS supplementation... check out AST-SS.com... seriously.. the two main sponsered lifters on that site are natural guys.. and are serious about their stuff.. look over their diets.. supps.. and training.. you can learn a lot from them.. even if you aren't natty.. you can gain a lot employing their techniques... natural guys have to do things a LOT different.. and do a lot more research and spend a TON of money on natural supps... i've gained 20lbs LBM in a year natty before.. with smart diet.. heavy lifting.. and good supps.. but now i've gained 15lbs LBM in 10 weeks... LoL.. there's no contest for me.. you might wanna consider them..

 

[satchboogie]

to answer a few questions...

not much changes between bulking and cutting phases other than cal intake (and choices of food is critical), supplementation, and fat burners.

during bulking phases (2-3 weeks generally) i consume 5k cals per day.
clean food though.. that means eating a good 8 meals per day.
and i dont hesitate even for a split second if i see a hot fudge sundae...
its all fair play, but try to consume as clean as possible.

the training while bulking is quite intense..
5-6 hardcore workouts per week!!! NO EXCEPTIONS!!
train heavy but with good form.. 45 minute sessions...2 muscle per session.
psyche yourself up these few weeks!!
remember that with this yo yo plan, you are very unlikely to burn out..
so maximize that time by following a strict routine and pump hard!

the training while cutting is less frequent (4 times per week) and the sessions are less intense (mainly because im simply wiped out). the goal while cutting is to at least maintain muscle mass while shedding fat. dnp drains my energy levels and since my cal intake is no more than 2k per day, my energy levels are almost completely gone..

protein intake is at around 250g per day
carb intake at NO MORE THAN 100G per day.
fat intake around 50g.

the great thing about cutting routines is the once a week carb up day..
its NOT a cheat day!!
but a carb up day.. consume 500-800g high glycemic carbs.. keep fat to a minimum.

the longest cuttin cycle was a 12 weeker..
i suffered all the way through but gained much respect for pros..
that shit is hardcore!
i didnt burn out and lookin back at it now i'm totally shocked that i didnt burn out after 2 or 3 weeks.

with the yo yo plan the chances of burning out are minimal.

 

[JKurz1]

when do you train satch and what exact gear or supps do you take during each phase?? Are you ever natty?

 

[satchboogie]

when do you train satch and what exact gear or supps do you take during each phase?? Are you ever natty?

i'm lucky enough to get 8-10 hours sleep at night..
well at least most of the time..
i can never get good sleep with a bitch in my bed..
but thats an entirely different issue..

i find that my body feels pumped about 4-6 hours after waking up..
see.. i wake up flat and weak..
4-6 hours later i'm much fuller and stronger.

as far as supps...

on cutters, i take:

DNP 200mg-400mg per day
50mg t3 per day
garlic tabs
multi vit
ginger root
cranberry extract
anti oxidant
vit e
vit c
milk thistle
AF STORE R-ala
L-tyrosine
L-lysine

on bulkers i eliminate all but the milk thistle, and multi vitamin tabs.

 

[satchboogie]

you asked about training naturally?

yes..

time on=time off.
wasnt like that for a while but in all honesty, growth stops completely after 10 weeks so whats the point in continuing.

i took 3 months off and came back like a beast!
gained 10 pounds in first 3 weeks..

so time off is a must!!!!
hard.. but a must!!

 

[Mr. Black]

i took 3 months off and came back like a beast!
gained 10 pounds in first 3 weeks..

so time off is a must!!!!
hard.. but a must!!

I remember you posting a month or so back where you were using 100mg of primo as a bridge while you were off...did you get a chance to get your test levels checked. I am quite curious...

 

[JKurz1]

SO satch, when you bulk, you take no AAS? No Supplements? Can you give us a little run down of what your daily diet might look like? What is I kept my cardio the same, but just increased my calories two-fold? Think that would put on the lean mass? What about a dbol/test cycle?

 

[JKurz1]

SO satch, when you bulk, you take no AAS? No Supplements? Can you give us a little run down of what your daily diet might look like? What is I kept my cardio the same, but just increased my calories two-fold? Think that would put on the lean mass? What about a dbol/test cycle?

 

[quadkilla31]

Looks to me your not getting enough calories. I can see why your not gaining with no more than you eat. Just have a clean diet of the right amount of protein carbs, and fats and train hard. Either bulk or cut. I don't think you can do both at the same time. I can't anyway.

 

[JKurz1]

I totally agree.....now, I just need help adding/taking away foods at the specific times.........any suggestions?

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

someone their weight in gold if you can HELP me change my ways. I've been cutting for so long now, I have no idea what the flip side is like. I would LOVE to have someone critique my "day in the life", make edit changes, and send them to me. I'm pretty sure I have OCD, as I havent missed cardio in years, but I want to learn how to break this vicious cycle. My goal is to put on 20lbs of LEAN mass over the next year....if you persuade me, make me change, I will be forever indebted...........

THis is my routine............I can't put on any weight, but I'm also scared to increase my bf% too much.........could you analyze this and help me? 6'2, 185, %bf unsure - see avat.. for estimate...mucho K

15 wake
4:30 35 min. cardio
6:00 3/4 cup oats, 1 cup egg whites,, 1 scoop whey
9:00 - 3/4 cup oats, 2 scoops whey, 1 cup dry curd cc, 1tb of ANPB, little skim milk
noon - 6oz chx, 6oz yam, big salad, steamed veggies
230 - 1/2 cup oats, 1 cup dry curd cc, 1 tb of ANPB, some skim
4:30 - train
600 - PW SHake
8:00 - 1 cup dry curd, 3-4 handfulls of peanuts, scoop of casein.........
9:00 bed

1. Stop the cardio
2. Bump up the calories in complex carbohydrates
3. Drink your night-time shake right before you go to bed...or wake up in the middle of thei night for some oats and protein, you'll notice a huge diff. if you do that. I mean if you're willing to do cardio every morning like that, wake up in the middle of the night instead and eat.

 

[biggeek]

1. Stop the cardio
2. Bump up the calories in complex carbohydrates
3. Drink your night-time shake right before you go to bed...or wake up in the middle of thei night for some oats and protein, you'll notice a huge diff. if you do that. I mean if you're willing to do cardio every morning like that, wake up in the middle of the night instead and eat.

Best advice yet man.. if your dedicated enough to do cardio 7 days a week.. your dedicated enough to wake up in the middle of the night and have a little meal.. or do just about anything.. i find that waking up in the middle of the night to eat actually helps me sleep better.. hunger pangs hit me in the middle of the night and can literally wake me up they get so bad sometimes.. anyway.. best of luck man

 

[JKurz1]

1. Stop the cardio
2. Bump up the calories in complex carbohydrates
3. Drink your night-time shake right before you go to bed...or wake up in the middle of thei night for some oats and protein, you'll notice a huge diff. if you do that. I mean if you're willing to do cardio every morning like that, wake up in the middle of the night instead and eat.

Man, if I could not wake up and do cardio, I'd kiss you! LOL.....so, you think my meals are all ok, just maybe increase the portions? My last meal usually falls within 15 minutes of crashing..............just so scared to lose the 6-ack, but I realize it's one or the other...this what you do?

 

[satchboogie]

i take the same gear while cutting and bulking.
again, its the food intake/supps that change NOT the amounts or choices of gear.

 

[JKurz1]

Best advice yet man.. if your dedicated enough to do cardio 7 days a week.. your dedicated enough to wake up in the middle of the night and have a little meal.. or do just about anything.. i find that waking up in the middle of the night to eat actually helps me sleep better.. hunger pangs hit me in the middle of the night and can literally wake me up they get so bad sometimes.. anyway.. best of luck man

What do you guys down in the middle of the night???

 

[Ulter]

If you take an Isolate shake before bed you shouldn't get up. If you do, have another one made up in the fridge and just stir and down it and go back to bed.

 

[JKurz1]

If you take an Isolate shake before bed you shouldn't get up. If you do, have another one made up in the fridge and just stir and down it and go back to bed.

what do you think of Skip Lacour's reccomendation of a MRP and a banana (mixed with glutamine like pudding) pre-bed???

 

[Ulter]

I don't like taking carbs before bed. I mix ISO AGB up that's it.

 

[JKurz1]

I've always got away with peanuts (fats) cottage cheese and casein.........but, maybe I need more cals.........