I want to do it right this time around!

[Ripped2Shredds]

Here's the run down...

Like others, I got a hold of some Ara-Test250 4 years ago, used it with no PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - , got gains, lost them, wasn't sure what i was doing.

A lot more knowledgeable with diet/lifting now...ready to plan a thorough yet simple cycle to call my own...

Here's what I have so far...

Weeks 1-10 500mg Test Enathate
Weeks 1-12 600mg Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate -

PCT - post cycle therapy -
Weeks 1-10 HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - 250IU every 5th day
Weeks 13-14 40mg/day Nolvadex
Weeks 15-16 20mg/day Nolvadex

Any advice is welcome, a working progress here. I want it to be right.

Stats: 5'10" 180lbs. I will enlist a pic so you can see I am ready. Thanks for the support and help.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/genetics101/BB123.jpg

 

[Donnie Darko]

Your plan looks pretty good. There are others who could add some small details to it, but to me everything looks pretty sure to me.

 

[safety4lyfe]

Whats your bf%...just curious.

You may even want to throw in some Dermacrine Sustain in your pc.t to ensure that you will keep your gains, it wont hurt you at all...so might as well.

Ive never cycled but from what ive read that sounds perfectly fine. If i were you i might even up your h.CG

 

[Ripped2Shredds]

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/genetics101/BB123.jpg

10% looks like?

 

[Ripped2Shredds]

safe, not sure about a topical ointment...doesn't seem effective IMO...might research it a lil more for ya though!

 

[safety4lyfe]

Nice, like how you hiked up you boxers to make a thong. Jaykays...its all good!

I havent tried it yet, but i know lots of guys on EF have and i hear nothing but good things. PP seems to be legit...ill let the users with more knowledge chime in.

 

[rudy76]

Here's the run down...

Like others, I got a hold of some Ara-Test250 4 years ago, used it with no PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - , got gains, lost them, wasn't sure what i was doing.

A lot more knowledgeable with diet/lifting now...ready to plan a thorough yet simple cycle to call my own...

Here's what I have so far...

Weeks 1-10 500mg Test Enathate
Weeks 1-12 600mg Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate -

PCT - post cycle therapy -
Weeks 1-10 HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - 250IU every 5th day
Weeks 13-14 40mg/day Nolvadex
Weeks 15-16 20mg/day Nolvadex

Any advice is welcome, a working progress here. I want it to be right.

Stats: 5'10" 180lbs. I will enlist a pic so you can see I am ready. Thanks for the support and help.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/genetics101/BB123.jpg

That cycle would need a jump start if you want to feel any strenght before week 4.

Have you thought about adding d.bol (or t.bol if you don't want the water) for the first 5 weeks.

Run d.bol at 30 or 40 mg ed or t.bol 60 to 80mg ed

Only other thing is that e.q. is normally ran 12 to 16 weeks so you're on the low end.

PCT looks OK, most guys would add some OTC supps and arimidex at a low dose. Nolva blocks estrogen but when it's stopped you can get a rebound effect.

That said my PCT was / is Nolva 20 mg ed, Clomid 50 mg ed and Derma Sustain 5 pumps ed. I used HCG for the last 6 weeks of my cycle at 1000iu ew.

 

[Beachbum1546]

Adding an oral at the beginning or front loading your test/EQ would be a good idea.

 

[GUARDIAN]

go ahead and run the test all the way with EQ up to week 12. it would be nice if u could extend the cycle a few weeks and add a kick start like prop or dbol.

 

[bsdgeek]

go ahead and run the test all the way with Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - up to week 12. it would be nice if u could extend the cycle a few weeks and add a kick start like testosterone propionate or Dianabol - methandrostenolone - .

yeah, exactly, you really should run the eq for at least 16 weeks. rut the test the same time, if not 2 weeks longer. test prop would be a good choice for a kick start, but the dbol makes you feel good man...i love me some dbol you could run either or for about 4 or 5 weeks for a good kickstart depending on your gear. jus my 2.

 

[bsdgeek]

also you need to run the nolva from the start on your pct, and run it at 20 mg a day all the way through, at least two weeks past the hcg. a nice addition to it would be some aromasin, at 20 mg a day from the start til about a week or two after you come off the hcg. sorta like this:

wk 1 - 4 hcg 500 iu/day
wk 1 - 6 nolvadex 20 mg/day
wk 1 - 6 aromasin 20 mg/day

 

[access]

^^I like this PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - ^^

No need to run Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - more than 20mgs/day as you originally had. Also a little too long on the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - for every day. You could drop that back a little in above.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Ok, a few thoughts....

Since this is, for all intents and purposes your first legit cycle (done right), why not just go with test enth for the 10 weeks.... and MAYBE kickstart with an oral if you want, as others have suggested. If you don't want the d*bol bloat, try t*bol instead. You'll make very nice gains, trust me. Save the E Q for a future cycle when you have a little more experience under your belt. For your first few novice cycles, you want compounds that will clear out faster in case you experience any severe sides.

As for your P C T, run the H C G as you've said, twice a week (250iu per shot). Make sure you run a light dosage of A I throughout to keep estrogen down. Finish H C G during your last week of the cycle. Then, 10-14 days after your last test shot, start the nolva at 20mg ED. Nol-va and H C G shouldn't be run at the same time during P C T. And since you ran the H C G during the cycle, you won't need arom-asin or any other A I during P C T. Just run the nol-va for 4-6 weeks... then give yourself several weeks before getting bloodwork. Nol-va has a long half-life, so you need to give it time to clear your system and for your body to "normalize" after that.

Good luck!

 

[Ripped2Shredds]

good input, I was wondering about tendon strength during a Test cycle, that's why I opted for the EQ. However, I have never really gave thought to an oral like dbol, I will look into that now. By avoiding the orals I was hoping to come back to normal easier, it seems alot of the times cocktailing leads to harder recoveries. But less sticking for me then...lol...

I am going to give it some time, do some window shopping and put a plan together.

 

[Ripped2Shredds]

I am thinking of foregoing the EQ, but adding Turanabol 60mg ed for weeks 1-4?

Also, could use a little help with the OTC cupplements for and arimidex for PCT...thanks folks!

 

[njmuscleguy]

Nice choice in adding the t*bol...I like it...60mg is a good dosage too.

Are you planning on running H C G? Not sure it's a must for a simple test cycle... and t*bol is minimally suppressive...choice is yours...if so, run in at 250iu 2x's a week. The a-dex you should run at 1mg EOD (or 0.5mg ED) throughout the cycle IMO... others prefer not to run it unless necessary. If you're running the H C G during the cycle, it's more of a must....then you won't need the a-dex for P C T.

Then 10-14 days after your last test shot, start P C T: if you're doing Sustain, just spray it daily for 4-8 weeks. You can try other supplements such as Post-Cycle or MyogenX...feedback is mixed...choice is yours.... IMO Sustain is good-to-go. If you decide on clomid alone, then 50mg ED for 4-6 weeks. If you decide on Sustain and clo-mid, run the clo-mid at 25mg ED as suggested by PrimordialPerformance.

 

[bsdgeek]

^^I like this PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - ^^

No need to run Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - more than 20mgs/day as you originally had. Also a little too long on the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - for every day. You could drop that back a little in above.

actually when i run my pct, i pin the hcg every three days, 1500 iu. i have a script for it, and have medical advice from my doc(he's cool as hell, and a former bodybuilder- who's not natty), and after my last cycle, my bloodwork came back bullet proof. so, i think i'll stick to my pct, it's a proven method, and i have bloodwork to back it. thanks for the advice though.

 

[access]

actually when i run my PCT - post cycle therapy - , i pin the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - every three days, 1500 iu. i have a script for it, and have medical advice from my doc(he's cool as hell, and a former bodybuilder- who's not natty), and after my last cycle, my bloodwork came back bullet proof. so, i think i'll stick to my PCT - post cycle therapy - , it's a proven method, and i have bloodwork to back it. thanks for the advice though.

Do you run it like that for 4 weeks though? That's 14,000 IU's of HCG in total for that period. Just seems maybe like overkill as I don't think that much is necessary. Not in my experience with it anyway but hey whatever works is best and if this works for you then that's great.

 

[bsdgeek]

Do you run it like that for 4 weeks though? That's 14,000 IU's of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - in total for that period. Just seems maybe like overkill as I don't think that much is necessary. Not in my experience with it anyway but hey whatever works is best and if this works for you then that's great.

i actually only run it for about 3 weeks most of the time, it winds up being 2 bottles, but i also usually don't stay on longer than 12 weeks either. i put an extra bottle in there cause i recommended him staying on for 16 weeks with the eq, if he's doing a test only cycle, with tbol or dbol as a kickstart and for a cycle of about 10 or 12 weeks, then 2 bottles at 500 iu a day would be fine, which would be three weeks. it all depends on how long he's shut down.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Hey, everyone has their own favorite P C T method....if it works for them, great... and just because one particular method works, doesn't mean there's not another one out there that can't work.

Two popular tried & true methods with H C G seem to be:
* 250iu, twice a week throughout the cycle, then start P C T at cycle end - OR -
* 500iu ED for 10 days: either last 10 days of the cycle if running short esters, or starting a day or two AFTER last poke if running long esters, making sure to run an A I at the same time (and about 3-5 days after), then start P C T

The dosage of 250iu became popular likely because there's studies (pubmed) that show that 250 iu is sufficient to raise test levels significantly.