I wanna be a White Leader

[Burning_Inside]

I think it would be a great job to be a White Leader in America. Like Jesse Jackson and that other big fat bla.. Al Sharpton, yeah that's it, him. Except those are Black Leaders. I imagine being a white one would be the same thing. From what I gather all I would have to do is hibernate until someone of my color is pushed around, then I come out and start bitching and screaming about racism, and how America still doesn't accept whites as people and we are put down and get no respect, and are shoved aside for blacks. Just basically I get some media airtime. Then when I need money to pay the bills, I guess I try and get my agent to book me on a show for interviews. Tell me that wouldn't be a great job.

 

[Y_lifter]

Your position is already filled..

It's called the KKK

 

[Obnoxious White Guy]

just how are you related to george spellwin again?...

 

[plornive]

Wouldn't being a political revolutionist be just as thrilling?

 

[Frackal]

Hey you cant be a white leader, white people are evil

 

[dballer]

here we go again.....


If that is what you really want.. get used to hearing alot of bitching and moaning. Remember instead of a hero you will be a target.. of both the black and white people. It is not good to be proud or happy to be white. You should be ashamed.

 

[VicTusDeuS]

yeah just like Y lifter said, you are considered a racist if you want to stand up for the white people.

 

[Citruscide]

Don't you know that white people run everything? I've heard you can't be racist against white people because we are in a position of power... and people in power can be hated.

I still don't get it.

C

 

[john937]

Tell me that wouldn't be a great job.

You mean you'd really enjoy having lunches with Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and Pat Buchanan ?

 

[dballer]

Re: Re: I wanna be a White Leader

Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and Pat Buchanan ?

If these are considered the White Leaders... we still have a breath of hope.

 

[plornive]

I have a distaste for people who are proud to be white, black, muslim, Chinese whatever.

You were frickin born that way. What the fuck is there to be proud of? Do you think that other people of your race/creed define you? Some people need readjusting.

I have no problem for advocacy groups, however.

 

[dballer]

I have a distaste for people who are proud to be white, black, muslim, Chinese whatever.

You were frickin born that way. What the fuck is there to be proud of? Do you think that other people of your race/creed define you? Some people need readjusting.

I have no problem for advocacy groups, however.

good boy. The taught you well. Now if they could only adjust all of the rebles they would have a spineless well oiled machine.

 

[plornive]

good boy. The taught you well. Now if they could only adjust all of the rebles they would have a spineless well oiled machine.

Do you think that other people of your race/creed define you?

Society sure does, but do you think so?

 

[dballer]

Do you think that other people of your race/creed define you?

Society sure does, but do you think so?

My family came from a bloodline of strong and loyal workers. I am proud of my heritage.

Now.. I am not proud of ALL of the white race. But if everyone does not show some self pride you end up with sub-social classes. Everyone needs to use pride in a nation and race to make a diffrence for their family.

I know that sounds like some kind of racist bullshit.. but I am not talking about hating someone else... I feel that EVERYONE should show this kind of pride and self worth. Imagine is in South Central LA during the 1992 riots if all of that community had self pride.. or pride in their community.

is this making sence to you? I can see how you could take this wrong..

 

[JohnyJuice]

Heil Hitler!!!!

 

[plornive]

My family came from a bloodline of strong and loyal workers. I am proud of my heritage.

Now.. I am not proud of ALL of the white race. But if everyone does not show some self pride you end up with sub-social classes. Everyone needs to use pride in a nation and race to make a diffrence for their family.

I know that sounds like some kind of racist bullshit.. but I am not talking about hating someone else... I feel that EVERYONE should show this kind of pride and self worth. Imagine is in South Central LA during the 1992 riots if all of that community had self pride.. or pride in their community.

is this making sence to you? I can see how you could take this wrong..

Yeah, that makes sense. It's undeniable and probably human nature.

What I'm saying is that we shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking one black person represents all black people or anything like that. If you want to fight for the rights of your group, DO IT, but don't cover it up with "pride", because that pride has no basis in reality.

 

[MP5]

i don't like white people.

 

[plornive]

i don't like white people.

Tell that to a naked hot white chick who wants to fuck you.

 

[musclebrains]

Wonder why you're reading this kind of thing here now, instead of on Triedia. Cuz it's banned there, by the Triedia administrator:

"Okay we are getting complaints of this board being racist. The mods here are not racist, nor is the owner but a few of you are. Honestly I dont care and on some issues I do agree with you, but we need to be friendly here so I have to ask that if you are going to be racist in your posts, that you do not post.

I hope you guys understand its nothing personal but we do want to get the image of this board a little more friendly and light hearted. So please cool it out bros.

Thanks. "

 

[68GT350]

It's good to see triedia trying to fix it's image. I find it hard to believe that it'll ever be known as more than "the board of EF rejects", however.

 

[dballer]

being proud of you you are.. (unless you are gay) is being banned everywhere.

Plorive...you said "Yeah, that makes sense. It's undeniable and probably human nature.

What I'm saying is that we shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking one black person represents all black people or anything like that. If you want to fight for the rights of your group, DO IT, but don't cover it up with "pride", because that pride has no basis in reality."

where in what I said did you feel I was sugar coating somthing??

pride has a HUGE basis in reality.

 

[the nature boy]

I have a distaste for people who are proud to be white, black, muslim, Chinese whatever.

You were frickin born that way. What the fuck is there to be proud of? Do you think that other people of your race/creed define you? Some people need readjusting.

I like this statement.

And I'll add to it, nobody should be proud of their race. you had no choice in what race you were born into. I like how some white fools take credit for the many inventions that have been created by white folks and act as if they had a part in it. Same with blacks. Same with anyone. Fuck that. You didn't do shit. You havent' done shit. now get back to work.

 

[plornive]

where in what I said did you feel I was sugar coating somthing??

pride has a HUGE basis in reality.

I never said you were "sugar coating" anything. Pride is a confidence and appreciation of one's self. It does indeed have a basis in reality.

However, being proud of one's self because of his/her race/group has no basis in reality. Other cool white people do not make you cool and other mean white people do not make you mean. Your properties are defined by your own actions. If you are going to fight for your group, don't attempt to say that you are truly represented by your entire group and vice versa. I don't know anyone who can honestly say that.

 

[dballer]

nobody should be proud of their race.

this is the saddest thing I have ever heard you say.

Tell that to a 16 year old black boy growing up in south Ga. that looks up to his grandfather for making it through the 1950's just because he was proud of who he was and what he knew how to do. It all has to do with self worth... without pride in who you are and where you come from.. I cannot see self worth.

I think you should retract that last statment.

 

[plornive]

Let me add that this is just my opinion. You may find value in group pride. I happen to think it is divisive and inaccurate --- with any race, black white, chinese, whatever.

 

[john937]

I think we're getting lost in the two different meanings of pride.
One is an unjustified overinflated sense of self worth,
the other means closer to "self respect"
So many of the minority groups found it necessary to have Gay Pride days, or Black Pride events,etc,
because the people in that group had little self respect, and the events were designed to get people to hold up their heads and live like first class citizens.
Nobody's encouraging anyone to have the "Pride goes before a fall" version of overinflated ego.

 

[plornive]

I think we're getting lost in the two different meanings of pride.
One is an unjustified overinflated sense of self worth,
the other means closer to "self respect"
So many of the minority groups found it necessary to have Gay Pride days, or Black Pride events,etc,
because the people in that group had little self respect, and the events were designed to get people to hold up their heads and live like first class citizens.
Nobody's encouraging anyone to have the "Pride goes before a fall" version of overinflated ego.

I agree with you.

Some people say pride to mean the lack of shame. This kind of pride is always good.

 

[dballer]

I think we're getting lost in the two different meanings of pride.
One is an unjustified overinflated sense of self worth,
the other means closer to "self respect"
So many of the minority groups found it necessary to have Gay Pride days, or Black Pride events,etc,
because the people in that group had little self respect, and the events were designed to get people to hold up their heads and live like first class citizens.
Nobody's encouraging anyone to have the "Pride goes before a fall" version of overinflated ego.

black pride and gay pride are two totally diffrent things.

gay is not a race and not a forced decision.

 

[Prometheus]

Other cool white people do not make you cool and other mean white people do not make you mean. Your properties are defined by your own actions. If you are going to fight for your group, don't attempt to say that you are truly represented by your entire group and vice versa. I don't know anyone who can honestly say that.

Ok - point taken. Then we should assume you oppose racial and gender quotas, affirmative action, Apartheid and Holocaust renumeration, American Indian casino permits, and the slavery reparations crusade, correct?

All of those have in common the goal of rectifying past injustices against particular racial groups. If as you say, those group distinctions have no meaning, then anyone taking advantage of those programs is a thief, benefitting from the suffering of people by whom they are not defined.

 

[plornive]

Ok - point taken. Then we should assume you oppose racial and gender quotas, affirmative action, Apartheid and Holocaust renumeration, American Indian casino permits, and the slavery reparations crusade, correct?

All of those have in common the goal of rectifying past injustices against particular racial groups. If as you say, those group distinctions have no meaning, then anyone taking advantage of those programs is a thief, benefitting from the suffering of people by whom they are not defined.

I said in my post that I find nothing wrong with fighting for a group. What I find retarded is *defining* one's self by his/her group.

Affirmative action rectifies past racism --- association of individuals to racial groups regardless of actual individual characteristics. It seeks to correct the problems caused by group association. If racism ever ends, affirmative action will no longer be practical.

 

[dballer]

Ok - point taken. Then we should assume you oppose racial and gender quotas, affirmative action, Apartheid and Holocaust renumeration, American Indian casino permits, and the slavery reparations crusade, correct?

All of those have in common the goal of rectifying past injustices against particular racial groups. If as you say, those group distinctions have no meaning, then anyone taking advantage of those programs is a thief, benefitting from the suffering of people by whom they are not defined.

I see light at the end of the tunnel.... wait.. I am not the last man alive with morals......

 

[dballer]

What I find retarded is *defining* one's self by his/her group.

You mean like gays do when they force the city to fly rainbow flags.. but stickers on their cars and store fronts, bars and whatnot??? Is that the defining you speak of???

 

[plornive]

You mean like gays do when they force the city to fly rainbow flags.. but stickers on their cars and store fronts, bars and whatnot??? Is that the defining you speak of???

Perhaps. I have never analyzed it. What I find humerous is your apparent belief that I specifically care about gays.

Try sticking to the point instead of labeling me a "liberal" --- I'm not a democrat, gay rights activist or beaurecrat.

 

[dballer]

Perhaps. I have never analyzed it. What I find humerous is your apparent belief that I specifically care about gays.

Try sticking to the point instead of labeling me a "liberal" --- I'm not a democrat, gay rights activist or beaurecrat.

Sorry.. I never wanted to label you anything. I was just trying to make you see a diffrent side of the coin.

 

[plornive]

Actually, yes, gay pride is an example of what I dislike. It didn't take much thought.

 

[Prometheus]

I said in my post that I find nothing wrong with fighting for a group. What I find retarded is *defining* one's self by his/her group. Advocacy groups are completely above board, if you ask me.

Plornive - I was with you there for a while, but now you've hit the logical inconsistency wall...

It is impossible to simultaneously criticize racial classification and support racial advocacy. Either you say that racial distinctions are only cosmetic and that we are all independent beings without history or future apart from ourselves, or not.

The moment you advocate on behalf of a racial group, you necessarily ascribe a set of characteristics to members of that group. To even recognize the existence of a racial group requires "*defining*" its members by common characteristics.

 

[CRNT93]

It is impossible to simultaneously criticize racial classification and support racial advocacy. Either you say that racial distinctions are only cosmetic and that we are all independent beings without history or future apart from ourselves, or not.

Good point!

 

[plornive]

It is impossible to simultaneously criticize racial classification and support racial advocacy. Either you say that racial distinctions are only cosmetic and that we are all independent beings without history or future apart from ourselves, or not.

The moment you advocate on behalf of a racial group, you necessarily ascribe a set of characteristics to members of that group. To even recognize the existence of a racial group requires "*defining*" its members by common characteristics.

This is not true. Let me distinguish between being proud of being part of a group and fighting for a group's rights.

1. Being proud about being part of a group is generallizing about a group to ascribe its characteristics to one's self.

2. Fighting for a group's rights is aknowledging that people generalize and giving certain socially disadvantaged groups special rights to rectify the situation. These groups are defined by society's discrimination against them. For instance, many people believe that Mexicans are categorically lazy. Hard working Mexicans are probably discriminated against in the job market because of this.

Therefore, it is practical to rectify this situation through affirmative action. This does not ascribe any kind of characteristics to any group other than that they are discriminated against (obviously they are Mexican). If you want to call this a 'contradiction', fine, but that is definitely debatable.

 

[plornive]

maybe one reason minority groups can get away with their racial pride is because the majority of them basically think alike. the white community is very broken up into liberals and conservatives and all different types from the top of the food chain to the bottom. minorities are for the most part on the same part of the food chain. there are way too many whites that i dont relate to at all to be proud of the whites as a race. i can be proud of smaller subgroups that i am in and they can include minorities if they belong there.

Interesting point. Jews in America are more likely to agree with each other than, say, Christians.