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packerfann

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Okay, after talking to some very knowledgeable members on here and asking what would be a good/quick muscle building stack I think I am going to go with the Dermacine along with the Amplify02 Strength Stack. What do you guys think of this?? Also, I am still kinda worried about side effects such as hair loss, acne and mood swings. I am also 20 years old, do you think doing Dermacine at this as this age is a bad idea? If it is, is there a better supplement out there for someone my age?

Thanks
 
packerfann said:
Okay, after talking to some very knowledgeable members on here and asking what would be a good/quick muscle building stack I think I am going to go with the Dermacine along with the Amplify02 Strength Stack. What do you guys think of this?? Also, I am still kinda worried about side effects such as hair loss, acne and mood swings. I am also 20 years old, do you think doing Dermacine at this as this age is a bad idea? If it is, is there a better supplement out there for someone my age?

Thanks
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I think at your age bro you should skip the hormonal stuff altogether. Get thick and solid while using creatine and no2 stuff.

At 20 years old your hormone levels are high enough that dermacrine would show minimal results. You would have to take something stronger, and at your age I advise against doing that as well. You are not fully mature so there is no sense in screwing with your hormone production.

Stick to the non-hormonal stuff and get some solid help in the training and diet sections. The strength stack with amplify02 is a good fit for you. You should be making solid gains consistently at your age without taking anything except lots of nutritious food and meat.
 
When I was your age my biggest problem was overtraining and lack of food. Start lifting heavy and eating a ton you'll grow like a weed bro. High protein diet from mostly red meat and a few forced protein shakes and you'll be pm'ing a thank you in 2 months when you add 8-10 lbs of muscle.
 
dabuffguy said:
I think at your age bro you should skip the hormonal stuff altogether. Get thick and solid while using creatine and no2 stuff.

At 20 years old your hormone levels are high enough that dermacrine would show minimal results. You would have to take something stronger, and at your age I advise against doing that as well. You are not fully mature so there is no sense in screwing with your hormone production.

Stick to the non-hormonal stuff and get some solid help in the training and diet sections. The strength stack with amplify02 is a good fit for you. You should be making solid gains consistently at your age without taking anything except lots of nutritious food and meat.
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Not true at all bro. Derma works a lor better and in a lot of different ways then you think or may know. Its also not going to hurt him in anyway at all.
 
Ok, now I don't know whether to by derm or not. I have been told before not to screw with my hormones at such a young age and the prodcut might have little or no effect on me. So, in your honest to God opinion should I or shouldn't I buy the derm?
 
packerfann said:
Ok, now I don't know whether to by derm or not. I have been told before not to screw with my hormones at such a young age and the prodcut might have little or no effect on me. So, in your honest to God opinion should I or shouldn't I buy the derm?
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IMO no.



If you were 25 i would say absolutely yes.
 
I'd give the diet tweek and heavy lifting route a spin for 6-8 weeks first and go from there. Search for a 5x5 routine on here and start stuffing yourself. IMO from what I've read on here Derma is mild and I don't think a bottle of it would really effect you either way but I have never tried it and don't know near as much about this stuff as needto,dabuff,and alcatraz. The Amplify02 strength stack,5x5 routine,and stuffing yourself will blow you up bro.
 
packerfann said:
Ok, now I don't know whether to by derm or not. I have been told before not to screw with my hormones at such a young age and the prodcut might have little or no effect on me. So, in your honest to God opinion should I or shouldn't I buy the derm?
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Kudos to you for being so responsible @ 20 y/o.

Dermacrine is very mild and won't shut you down over 3-4 weeks. Another option would be Unleashed. It works by increasing your free test by releasing bound test. At your age you have are producing PLENTY of testosterone. Unleashed would help you make the most of it.

+1 on the training and diet advice. What would be awesome would be to maybe save the supplement budget and sign up for the Omega project! Unreal results if you have the self determination...
 
For the record, I was in PM with packerfann and he told me he doesn't have a set diet. "I don't really watch what I eat" is what he said.

He needs to get that diet in line first. At the same time, h eneeds to make sure he is getting in his core lifts. Bench, rows, Squat and deadlift. If he isn't doing these (specifically pointing to squat and deadlifts) and his diet isn't be kept carefully, he would find great improvements within a matter of weeks with taking nothing at all.
 
there is nothing wrong with a lil test boost at ur age. jump into the derm and lift hard and eat big. you will be impressed.
 
dabuffguy said:
For the record, I was in PM with packerfann and he told me he doesn't have a set diet. "I don't really watch what I eat" is what he said.

He needs to get that diet in line first. At the same time, h eneeds to make sure he is getting in his core lifts. Bench, rows, Squat and deadlift. If he isn't doing these (specifically pointing to squat and deadlifts) and his diet isn't be kept carefully, he would find great improvements within a matter of weeks with taking nothing at all.
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True unless diet is in check even steroids wont do shit. Derma will do even less. Need to get the diet in check.
 
dabuffguy said:
For the record, I was in PM with packerfann and he told me he doesn't have a set diet. "I don't really watch what I eat" is what he said.

He needs to get that diet in line first. At the same time, h eneeds to make sure he is getting in his core lifts. Bench, rows, Squat and deadlift. If he isn't doing these (specifically pointing to squat and deadlifts) and his diet isn't be kept carefully, he would find great improvements within a matter of weeks with taking nothing at all.
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Agreed. Good food (and lots of it) is THE most anabolic substance on the planet!
 
gixxerman said:
there is nothing wrong with a lil test boost at ur age.
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There is if it is suppresive.

Straight up, taking hormonal products that are suppresive to your natural prouction should be avoided by young guys.


If he was 23, I wouldn't even say anything about it.
 
dabuffguy said:
There is if it is suppresive.

Straight up, taking hormonal products that are suppresive to your natural prouction should be avoided by young guys.


If he was 23, I wouldn't even say anything about it.
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You're talking derma, not Unleashed, correct?
 
Hey guys thanks so much for all of your input. I know I def. need to start a healthier eating plan. What are some foods that you would recommend, and how much of each. My buddy is really into lifting and he eats tuna like crazy. I have the amplify02 strength stack coming to my house in about a week, I am also going to purchase aganine powder today (if anyone can get me a discount that would be sweet!!) and I am really going to watch what I eat. So, I think I am gonna avoid that hormonal stuff for the time being and see what happens. What is this unleashed stuff?
 
I did the agx-sports strength stack and I can say first hand that it was great ..... the pumps and strength u gain was amazing ... within 3 days the amp 02 was in effect... it didnt upset my stomach at 9 caps which is a main concern cause there is nothing like 45 min after taking a new product and in the middle of a workout u end up finishing ur workout in the dam bathroom....
 
now you guys who get ur "diet in check"...just curious as to how you eat when your on cycle?? im not gonna say my diet is always "in check"..but i def, eat plenty of proteins..carbs....and some fasts depending on if im clean bulking or just straight bulking.
 
gixxerman said:
now you guys who get ur "diet in check"...just curious as to how you eat when your on cycle?? im not gonna say my diet is always "in check"..but i def, eat plenty of proteins..carbs....and some fasts depending on if im clean bulking or just straight bulking.
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Personally I have become a diet fanatic. I've been tracking everything, even Ketchup. Sticking with only low G carbs, tons of lean meats. The macros don't change for me. Just the calories.

But, you also have to live. A cheat meal or two here and there is good for your soul...
 
gixxerman said:
now you guys who get ur "diet in check"...just curious as to how you eat when your on cycle?? im not gonna say my diet is always "in check"..but i def, eat plenty of proteins..carbs....and some fasts depending on if im clean bulking or just straight bulking.
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fitday.com can help a lot bro...
 
Strength Stack ( Amplify02 = RawMCC) + Dermacrine = Nothing but Great Results

make sure to cycle off Both for 2 months then go back on
 
man..i fuckin wish i would have known about this site back in the day when i was running celltech and nitrotech and creatines...lord did i fucking waste my money. GNC is a fucking joke. Huge props to NEEDTO...your the MAN!!
 
gixxerman said:
man..i fuckin wish i would have known about this site back in the day when i was running celltech and nitrotech and creatines...lord did i fucking waste my money. GNC is a fucking joke. Huge props to NEEDTO...your the MAN!!
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Yeah but super duper gold Tuesday! 20% off the ass raping...:D
 
needtogetaas said:
I been trying to say this!!!!
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I don't disagree with you.


But, I still stand by what I said by saying that anyone under 21 using hormonal products is not necesarry, and not even that great of an idea. A body that is not fully developed should not be messing with their natural hormones. Especially when their levels are at their peak.

Am I wrong?

If I'm wrong I'll be quiet. However, if I'm not mistaken, some of the reasoning behind the rule of refusing to give aas advice to anyone under 21 was for the very reason I just gave.
 
dabuffguy said:
I don't disagree with you.


But, I still stand by what I said by saying that anyone under 21 using hormonal products is not necesarry, and not even that great of an idea. A body that is not fully developed should not be messing with their natural hormones. Especially when their levels are at their peak.

Am I wrong?

If I'm wrong I'll be quiet. However, if I'm not mistaken, some of the reasoning behind the rule of refusing to give aas advice to anyone under 21 was for the very reason I just gave.
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OOOO you know you are right bro.... That being said I think the omega amp02 stack is damn good for a guy his age.. I thin the derma is safe amd I right on this? just not the best choice at his age... Still a good stack though...
 
needtogetaas said:
OOOO you know you are right bro.... That being said I think the omega amp02 stack is damn good for a guy his age.. I thin the derma is safe amd I right on this? just not the best choice at his age... Still a good stack though...
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Like I said earlier, if he was a few years older I wouldn't say "no" to him using dermacrine.


Dermacrine is safe 100%. So is the Amplify02 stack.

Derma wouldn't really hurt a youngster, but a young body is still trying to figure itself out. Why throw it a curve ball?
 
dabuffguy said:
Like I said earlier, if he was a few years older I wouldn't say "no" to him using dermacrine.


Dermacrine is safe 100%. So is the Amplify02 stack.

Derma wouldn't really hurt a youngster, but a young body is still trying to figure itself out. Why throw it a curve ball?
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well I think we can both agree that the amp stack is fine though..... I see your point and I could push it but lets just agree on this.
 
i agree with both of you....but the only reason you think he shouldnt take derma is because his test levels are high because of his young age. at 21...your done puberty and done growing as far as bone growth goes. Im not trying to argue..im just trying to get some reasoning behind the age of 21. And thats why we have this site...thanx guys.
 
gixxerman said:
i agree with both of you....but the only reason you think he shouldnt take derma is because his test levels are high because of his young age. at 21...your done puberty and done growing as far as bone growth goes. Im not trying to argue..im just trying to get some reasoning behind the age of 21. And thats why we have this site...thanx guys.
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Just because your growth plates have closed doesn't mean you are done maturing. My growth plates closed when I was 14. Most men don't fully maturity until 23-26 years old. Most men thicken out even further well into their mid 20's.
 
yes i agree...im 24 and still thickening out....i was just wondering why the restriction age was dead set at 21? all is good.
 
gixxerman said:
yes i agree...im 24 and still thickening out....i was just wondering why the restriction age was dead set at 21? all is good.
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It probably has to do with the site recieving blame for a youngster doing something really stupid and EF getting heat for it.

I'm not sure. 21 seems to be an age where a competent person truly can act responsibly and maturely. Teenagers don't always do that.

just a guess
 
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