i need help with a cycle

[MR.DUMBELL]

my friend and i want to run a test cycle for 8 to 10 weeks at 500mg i was wondering if this was a good idea and what the results would be, and its are first cycle. thanks you guys are awesome

 

[tboy72]

if you dont wnt to bloat i would suggest 100 mg's of test prop eod. great shit. i hear on here all the time that test is test, but i definatly think with prop you dont hold, or dont hold near as much water, so for the summer anyways for me prop is the way to go!

 

[MR.DUMBELL]

can anybody else give me some ideas thanks

 

[slat1]

What are your stats? Height? lbs? bf%? how long you have been working out? diet? We need to know all of this in order to answer this correctly!

 

[genarr3]

500mgs/week is a good start for a first cycle.

No one can tell you what your results will be. I understand you're new to this, so let me just inform you it is a stupid question. Your weight training habits, diet, genetics and experience will determine the ultimate outcome. Drugs are a small percentage of the equation.

 

[MR.DUMBELL]

IM sorry i have been lifting for 4 years my body fats is about 12% my diet is good im 5'10 215 pounds. thanks for your help

 

[theoak01]

prop is my drug of choice,it took a bit of getting use to eod shoots but its well worth it as long esters ie test enanthate make me bloat

I also feel I get better results off prop at 100mg eod then enanthate at 500mg a week

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

my friend and i want to run a test cycle for 8 to 10 weeks at 500mg i was wondering if this was a good idea and what the results would be, and its are first cycle. thanks you guys are awesome

You'll get good results with 500mg of test. See how that works out for 10 weeks. After that, you can decide whether it was a good cycle. You'll put on size and strength.

 

[RedBird21]

l-dex and nolva will help with the bloat

 

[theoak01]

nolva wont help with bloat bro, but ldex will,however your risking your lipid profiles by using it

honestly prop seems best imo because you see results faster which new guys want,and nobody wants to blow up like a balloon

 

[RedBird21]

Yeah if a first timer can handle stickin themselves that much, then prop is the way to go

 

[MR.DUMBELL]

will i bloat a real lot

 

[CPA22]

Why is everyone advising a first time user to use prop??

Stick with something thats simple and effective. Test Cypionate or Enanthate 250-500 mgs a week. Maybe a little dbol in front of it and that should be it.

I would not worry about the bloat cause its just part of the game. It will help your gains to. Just make sure you have some nolvadex on hand just in case of gyno.

Good luck.

 

[MR.DUMBELL]

thanks should i go 250mg or 500mg

 

[CPA22]

thanks should i go 250mg or 500mg

tough question and many will argue both ways so you will never get clear answer. Cyp usually runs 200mgs per cc and enanthate usually 250 per cc.

I would run the cyp at 400mgs/week and the enanthate at 500mgs a week separated into Monday and Thursday injections (1cc each.)

CPA22

 

[MR.DUMBELL]

my only thing is im worried about bloating to much but like you said its all part of the game and how is sust for like gains and bloating. well what im looking for is at least 12 to 15 pounds of good solid muscle im pretty bulkly now so i dont want to blow up like a balloon. thank you all for help im still new at this and i want to do it right

 

[CPA22]

in my experiences sustanon has been better with bloat the lets say cypionate or enanthate. Gains have also been great. You will be happy with either one.

If you are really concerned about the bloat the you will need to take some type of anti estrogen to combate that. Some example are arimidex, liquidex, femera. Nolvadex will not help with bloat.

 

[FknKnuckleHd]

I started my first cycle (10 weeks) with Sust250 at 250mg wk1-2, 500mg wk3-8 and 250mg wk9-10.
I would suggest Noveldex 10mg ed or you WILL look like a bucket of water by week 5. Also get some clomid and/or HCG to kick your nuts back in. Theres no use having a body women want if you can't use it when the lights go out.
Remember you can juice as much as you want but if you aren't eating the right amount of protein at the right time and drinking enough fluids your wasting your money yet, improving my typing skills.
Personaly I would use test E. and divide your weekly does into two shots a week, if not take the suston once a week. But like Redbird said its a mother fucker sticking yourself more than once a week. Most have to work up to the ed or eod injections, it took me 4 yrs and the introductions to finaplix to do ed shots and an understanding wife to hit my shoulders cause i can't reach'm.
Good luck

 

[mrjrock19]

you should be ok running it @ 500 mg/wk... i wouldnt worry too much about bload unless you trying to look lean and cut through out the cycle.

 

[CPA22]

I would suggest Noveldex 10mg ed or you WILL look like a bucket of water by week 5..
Good luck[/QUOTE]


Nolvadex will do nothing for water retention. It only binds to the receptor to "fight" gyno.

 

[Dieharder]

i noticed absolutely no bloat at all with either test enanthate or test prop, using .5ml of femera eod

 

[MR.DUMBELL]

thanks guys

 

[FknKnuckleHd]

I would suggest Noveldex 10mg ed or you WILL look like a bucket of water by week 5..
Good luck

Nolvadex will do nothing for water retention. It only binds to the receptor to "fight" gyno.[/QUOTE]


Noveldex "is a non-steroidal agent that demonstrates potent antiestogenic properties. Estroden can also lead to an increase in the level of water retained in the body." ANABOLICS 2000 Try reading it

 

[CPA22]

Nolvadex will do nothing for water retention. It only binds to the receptor to "fight" gyno.

Noveldex "is a non-steroidal agent that demonstrates potent antiestogenic properties. Estroden can also lead to an increase in the level of water retained in the body." ANABOLICS 2000 Try reading it[/QUOTE]

Whoa buddy you need to relax there. There is absolutely no evidence that supports nolvadex works against water retention. Do not call me out like that, get YOUR facts straight first.

If you are so sure about this, start a thread about nolvadex and water and you will be sadely mistaken of your findings..

 

[FknKnuckleHd]

I believe you called me out BUDDY. Noveldex is an antiestogen right? Excess estrogen can cause water retention, right? Right! Ask any chic at her time of the month. Noveldex is not arimidex but it will combat some of the bloat as well with gyno. I'm no chemist nor doc and can only talk from my own experiences and the books I've read. But, if you're telling me what I've read in Anabolics 2000 is bull shit and your book is more accurate, I be interested in checking it out.

 

[CPA22]

I believe you called me out BUDDY. Noveldex is an antiestogen right? Excess estrogen can cause water retention, right? Right! Ask any chic at her time of the month. Noveldex is not arimidex but it will combat some of the bloat as well with gyno. I'm no chemist nor doc and can only talk from my own experiences and the books I've read. But, if you're telling me what I've read in Anabolics 2000 is bull shit and your book is more accurate, I be interested in checking it out.

You might have a fair argument, but lets make it clear that nolvadex is not arimidex or femera. Anyone else wanna chime in on this??

 

[FknKnuckleHd]

This is just one of those times where we'll have to agree to disagree my friend