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I can't stand this bullshit anymore!

Quadsweep

Quadsweep

Top 5 Jr. USA Lt/hvy weight
Chairman Member
I can't stand this bullshit anymore! [I](this is a very old post thats relevent now)[

(this is a very old post thats relevent now) I was going to just let this go but I can't in good conscience. If I read one more asinine post from a more than likely punk ass bitch about how these incredibly high dose cycles are the way to go I will freak out! I do not for a minute believe half these people use these doses and I also do not believe their stats. I have been using gear for nine years. I am nationally ranked and will be in the USA in July as a heavy weight and I am only 5'7" tall so I am pretty fucking thick (If you doubt it get a platinum membership and look at my pics) and I do not use half the gear you dumbasses are telling these kids to use on their first cycle. (you know who you are) What kind of a moron are you guys and what have you accomplished with you supposed use (abuse) of gear? Half of you probably are water logged fat assed pieces of shit that walk around in the winter in a tank top showing of your acne infested backs. Do you realize you could be endangering a persons life? This is not a game, They are very potent hormones! The first cycle should always be conservative. A person has NO idea how they will react to these drugs (did you all forget these were drugs) I knew a guy who did 500mg a week of sust and blew up with so much water he developed a slight case of pulmonary edema. You tell people to use 1000mg or more their first time out! Remember you are not doctors, Hell I can't believe half of you can type. Newbies do not need that much gear. It is like the first time you took Tylenol. One or two work great. If you are a newbie and you are reading this take my advice and take it slow. It will save your health and you pocket book. If you are one of the dumbasses I am speaking of, quit giving ignorant advice to make yourself sound hard core. High dosages don't make you a badass, Good genes, proper nutrition, Hard as fuck training and using gear as a tool to make it all work is what makes you a badass and also an intelligent person with some sense. If anyone is offended because they are one of the people I am speaking of....Go to the USA in July, I will be there.....Ready to throw down!:mad:
 
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LOL. I know exactly which post you're talking about. Some of the children finished their homework early and were allowed to use the computer, don't let it get to you.
 
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LOL...shit 200mg of test a week is a lot for me....

and i concur with you even though it will go in one ear and out the other to many people...


more is better right?...of course it is until years down the road when you have to piss out of a bag attached to your body:nopity:
 
amen

my first cycle was a bottle of suspension 30cc did one shot a day in my chest used till it was gone and put on almost 30 pounds
i also dont think the people that tell newbies to use these rediculous amounts know anything more than what they themselves read
 
You think im using to much juice bro?

Testoviron weeks 1-10 500mg/week
EQ weeeks 1-11 400mg/week
Winstrol weeks 3-10 50mgED
Dbol weeks 1-4 35mgED
Fina weeks 3-10 40mgED.
 
Mr. Las Vegas said:
Quadsweep, EXCELLENT post man, this needs to be said everyday. There are a lot of stupid fucks on this board.
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Thanks, I just get so fucking irate about people talking out of their ass about stuff that could hurt people and they give it no thought.
 
Golfer18 said:
You think im using to much juice bro?

Testoviron weeks 1-10 500mg/week
EQ weeeks 1-11 400mg/week
Winstrol weeks 3-10 50mgED
Dbol weeks 1-4 35mgED
Fina weeks 3-10 40mgED.
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Well in the middle you are at 1425mgs. I have used that much for short periods pre contest after years of using. It depends on your size how long you have been using tolerance to sides, or are you just fucking with me?
 
I'll see ya at the USA. I'll have my pics up for all to see in a week, I'm also a 5'7' hvy. I also agree with your statement.
 
cjac1isback said:
I'll see ya at the USA. I'll have my pics up for all to see in a week, I'm also a 5'7' hvy. I also agree with your statement.
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NO SHIT!!! That is cool as shit! Keep me posted on your progress. Have you competed Nationally before?
 
Great post.

but I have been thinking about something.

alot of those recommending mega dosages probably have exclusively been getting underdosed or fake gear from I*

or T***Y*


they probably really need a gram a week of that shit to actually have 200 mgs of a particular drug in their body.......

this is just a guess, cus I find it hard to believe that , that many people would lie straight through their teeth, or be that delusional.
 
Quadsweep said:


No he has been arond the block a few times me thinks!;)
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Yes im a whore, keep it on the DL. Late tonight my whoreness will come out.:D
 
OMEGA said:
Great post.

but I have been thinking about something.

alot of those recommending mega dosages probably have exclusively been getting underdosed or fake gear from I*

or T***Y*


they probably really need a gram a week of that shit to actually have 200 mgs of a particular drug in their body.......

this is just a guess, cus I find it hard to believe that , that many people would lie straight through their teeth, or be that delusional.
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But you never know! I grow fine of TT products can't say about the other. I believe many people live in a dream world where they can make believe they are big shit when they can't in reality due to bad genes ( which would suck) or severe lack of disipline.
 
Ya, the 1995 North Am. Lt.hvy(8th) and the 1996 North Am. Hvy.(6th). I was 24 at the time. Life took over short timeout and here I go again 30 and hopefully better.
 
Quad I salute you and comend you. I've been wanting to say the same thing, but unless you have at least 500 post everybody thinks your a dumbass. I myself am a national level competor also not a "newbie." I'm doing the nationals this year I'm 5' 4" and
220, 190 on stage and yes there are pictures to support my claim. I read a post yesterday that recomended that someone take 1200 mgs a week of Eq on there second cycle plus large amounts of other anabolics.
All I could do was wounder why,I recomended a smaller amount and no one supported my claim. What can you do?
 
cjac1isback said:
Ya, the 1995 North Am. Lt.hvy(8th) and the 1996 North Am. Hvy.(6th). I was 24 at the time. Life took over short timeout and here I go again 30 and hopefully better.
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Cool! Glad a guy can make it back! I was 5th Lt/Hvy at the Jr USA last year. Killed me to drop the weight class. Did not eat or drink for 18 hours on Lasix. I weighed 208 on stage the next day. I am hoping to be at 213-215 # at 3.5% this year. Good luck to you!:)
 
I agree you should start light but, I've gotten to almost 285lbs. and it took mega doses and I've come down to competed at 245 lbs. Before that the highest weight I could get was 255lbs and compete at 215-220. That took large amounts and the difference is very apparent.
 
Check my profile and go to my web page, a year old but still the same I was A middleweight, know I'm Lt. heavy, and the bottom B/K is sunshine classic national qualifier. Middleweight winner. 2 votes for first but what the hell you can't win overall everytime.
 
Mr.G-ville said:
Quad I salute you and comend you. I've been wanting to say the same thing, but unless you have at least 500 post everybody thinks your a dumbass. I myself am a national level competor also not a "newbie." I'm doing the nationals this year I'm 5' 4" and
220, 190 on stage and yes there are pictures to support my claim. I read a post yesterday that recomended that someone take 1200 mgs a week of Eq on there second cycle plus large amounts of other anabolics.
All I could do was wounder why,I recomended a smaller amount and no one supported my claim. What can you do?
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Damn bro you are thick! I know what you mean about the posts too. Just because you have not been here long does not mean you have not beeen around for awhile. Good luck to you as well my brother.

Peace:)
 
Mr.G-ville said:
Check my profile and go to my web page, a year old but still the same I was A middleweight, know I'm Lt. heavy, and the bottom B/K is sunshine classic national qualifier. Middleweight winner. 2 votes for first but what the hell you can't win overall everytime.
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You look damn good bro.
 
M.O.D said:
you cant talk till your blue in the face and most wont listen...they think more is better and of course most of them are young teens who have no clue...i have been saying this for a long time now but i doubt many listen
http://209.11.101.244/forum/showthread.php?threadid=20068
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M.O.D. I just read your post. Great post and good advice to all. I hope at least one kid will listen to your words.
 
Thanks quad! that's a real praise coming from you!..... your right though, all these bumps, but were are all these people when all these people when someone needs real advice log in then ,that's when people need advice real advice.
 
No, I guess I'll have to spend some of my gear money for a plat. membership to see all the pics. LOL. But I'll post my past and present pics asap.
 
I have read and not posted here for years but I had to say great post and people lisen to what is being said here it is your life we are talking about.

PLOW HORSE
 
Well said Quad.

A lot of people don't understand that a male produces around 40-70mg of indegenous testosterone(Tortora, 2000). So, for a first cycle people use 1000mg? And are talking about throwing in slin and GH.

It's a shame that people don't understand how receptor dowgrade works, ironically they fuck themselves up for future cycles and make it far more difficult for the body to start producing it's own LH+FSH to stimulate test production.

In any case, could you imagine someone who's never taken Heroin before using the same dose as an established junky?

It amaze's me that I meet people in the gym that think gear compensates for lack of sleep, nutrition, discipline, routine etc. I would choose any one of those factors above gear.
 
Julez said:
Well said Quad.

A lot of people don't understand that a male produces around 40-70mg of indegenous testosterone(Tortora, 2000). So, for a first cycle people use 1000mg? And are talking about throwing in slin and GH.

It's a shame that people don't understand how receptor dowgrade works, ironically they fuck themselves up for future cycles and make it far more difficult for the body to start producing it's own LH+FSH to stimulate test production.

In any case, could you imagine someone who's never taken Heroin before using the same dose as an established junky?

It amaze's me that I meet people in the gym that think gear compensates for lack of sleep, nutrition, discipline, routine etc. I would choose any one of those factors above gear.
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Thanks and you made some very good points. I have said in several posts concerning these dosages, where do you go when you do 1500mg your first time out? Your analogy to the heroin junky is right on. Gear is only part of the puzzle. I don't think many of these people will ever put all of the pieces together so they can see the complete picture.
 
Quad my last cycle I was using 1000 sus, 800deca, 100fina daily, along with 75 anavar, and daily shots of winny. I figured I would go all out. Biggest thing I realized was Yea I made alot of gains but I am making the same gains now with 500sus, 400 deca, and 60 dbol. So all in all I wasted a shitload of money and got the same results I would have got if I had used half the same shit. Good Post.

P.S. I think with those megadoses it's to hard to get enough calories anyhow to benefit from all of it. Save yer money and your body and lower the dosages.
 
sk* said:
i agree with you on the high dosses

but about the age thing

is there really that much of a difference between someone that is 18 or 21? if there is please explain to me exactly how
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Yes I believe age does make a difference. At 21 you are pretty close to being done with any bone growth at 18 you may still be growing taller but you are more than likly still getting wider and juice will put a quick stop to that. Also your natural hormone axis is a lot calmer at 21 than 18 in most individuals.
 
Quad, or should i say " voice of reason"

I hear ya, and subscribe to the same theory,
Now i'm old like M.O.D. and don't compete nationally
but I do very well with moderate dosages.

I remember when this board started in 96 or so,
and 500mg of sust/week was a serious cycle, I have often
wondered how these guys take 2g of test plus other anabolics
and still bitch about the gains.

I say diet first, training second, and then Anabolics.

Good luck at the Nationals

Doggy
 
Quadsweep, great post and I think any of us would take advice from of a competitor such as yourself....I think there need to be more people saying this and less people talking about"shooting 1500mgs a week of test along with 125 mgs of d-bol a day and 800mgs of Deca" I would love to see your nutrition program,Bulking and cutting.......Remember folks 90%of all gains come from your diet...anabolics or not.:D
 
muscleup said:
Quadsweep, great post and I think any of us would take advice from of a competitor such as yourself....I think there need to be more people saying this and less people talking about"shooting 1500mgs a week of test along with 125 mgs of d-bol a day and 800mgs of Deca" I would love to see your nutrition program,Bulking and cutting.......Remember folks 90%of all gains come from your diet...anabolics or not.:D
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I will make a note to email you my diet and cycles tomorrow. My bulking is horrible! :D I eat what ever I want plus I get about 350gms of protien just in powders since I am a PT and often do not have time to eat. my total protein is around 500gms a day off season.I stay at 6.5% most of the time (good genes ) It seems that once you can keep yourself down for a couple of years that is where you stay (homeostasis) So i will not tell youi more about my bulking diet since it involves to many cheesburgers!;) And you are correct it is all about getting the right food and rest and training hard.
 
Yeah, send me that stuff tomorrow....By the way who did you get certified by ?,I 'm currently studying and I'm just wondering.
 
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Yeah, send me that stuff tomorrow....By the way who did you get certified by ?,I 'm currently studying and I'm just wondering.
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Cool I will email you tomorrow. My Cert is through A.C.E. It was pretty tough but I studied for 2 1/2 weeks and got a 94%.
 
I look back on my first cycle over 15 years ago. 200mg/week of Equipoise and I gained over 25 pounds of hard muscle in 10 weeks. I too have fallen into this high dosage multi-product stack game but I try to resist the temptation that more is better cuz its not. I know that but I would LOVE to believ it was so easy just to take more and more for larger gains.
 
megamassnitro1961 said:
I look back on my first cycle over 15 years ago. 200mg/week of Equipoise and I gained over 25 pounds of hard muscle in 10 weeks. I too have fallen into this high dosage multi-product stack game but I try to resist the temptation that more is better cuz its not. I know that but I would LOVE to believ it was so easy just to take more and more for larger gains.
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Yes I do believe bigger dosage leads to bigger gains up to a point. Just not on your first couple of cycles. I do a lot more than when I started but that was 9 years and a lot of cycles ago. Keep it sane my friend, as sane as possible anyway!

Peace
 
Hey Quadsweep, if you don't mind could you take some time and tell me what made you choose A.C.E. over other certs ie. NFPT, ISSA, I.A.R.T? I am currently looking to get certified but there are a shitload of different programs and I am not sure which one to go with or if it even matters. Also did you take any other course of study realated to nutrition and BB?
 
I know what you mean

I heard that Borison lowered lots of the pros doses and they got bigger. I could not stand having a 40hr a week job and taking 1200mg of test a week. My bloodpressure would get really high if I took as much as these people claim. anything that high is like spilt juice I would take lots of deca and exuipoise if it were free
 
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Hey Quadsweep, if you don't mind could you take some time and tell me what made you choose A.C.E. over other certs ie. NFPT, ISSA, I.A.R.T? I am currently looking to get certified but there are a shitload of different programs and I am not sure which one to go with or if it even matters. Also did you take any other course of study realated to nutrition and BB?
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It was the most popular and one of the few around when I got certified (1993) I do not think it matters as long as you can say you are certified for insurance and so people know you are serious enough to put at least a little effort in to your profession. As far as other studies...no I just read a lot on subjects pertaining to my field.

Peace
 
Ditto bro's .....check out one of my old posts. Said the same thing. If you added it all up they would be shooting 3 times a day unless they have a 10cc syringe. What ya going to do???????????
 
I agree if you're not going to take the time to train and eat right while bulking you shouldn't use well dosed cycles. You shouldn't be on any cycle. But if you are willing to put in the time and effort is takes to grow, really grow, then using less than 1500mg total a week is a waste of needles. Anyone who thinks they will grow the same on 500mg/wk of sust as they will on 1000mg/wk of test with 600mg of eq is delusional.
M.O.D. receptor down regulation is a myth and no one has proven otherwise.
You go ahead and pat yourself on the back about how smart you are doing low dose cycles. The fact is it is not any smarter to do low doses if you are going to cycle. The only difference between using 500mg and 1500mg is gains. Myself and all my friends who have done this 10 years longer than you have do not have ANY health problems, period. So you may justify your thinking by contriving illnesses that well dosed cycles cause, but it is only to make yourself feel better about your choice to use less. It is not base in any fact or science. In the mean time those who do well dosed cycles will blow by you in size and strength, even though they don't possess great genetics.

OXOXOXOX
 
ulter said:
I agree if you're not going to take the time to train and eat right while bulking you shouldn't use well dosed cycles. You shouldn't be on any cycle. But if you are willing to put in the time and effort is takes to grow, really grow, then using less than 1500mg total a week is a waste of needles. Anyone who thinks they will grow the same on 500mg/wk of sust as they will on 1000mg/wk of test with 600mg of eq is delusional.
M.O.D. receptor down regulation is a myth and no one has proven otherwise.
You go ahead and pat yourself on the back about how smart you are doing low dose cycles. The fact is it is not any smarter to do low doses if you are going to cycle. The only diffe


between using 500mg and 1500mg is gains. Myself and all my friends who have done this 10 years longer than you have do not have ANY health problems, period. So you may justify your thinking by contriving illnesses that well dosed cycles cause, but it is only to make yourself feel better about your choice to use less. It is not base in any fact or science. In the mean time those who do well dosed cycles will blow by you in size and strength, even though they don't possess great genetics.



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Could you please post a picture so I can see what your extremely effective cycles have accomolished for you? You talk as if you are pro caliber. I am not saying high dosage cycles do not cause more growth . I am saying a first time user does not need a huge dose. I use 1000mg or better from time to time but I weigh 235# at 6.5% and I am 5'7" tall & have been using for almost 10 years. Also all drugs down regulate, even your own insulin does. I.E. Type 2 diabeties so it is not a myth. I am saying that when a newbie says he is doing 2 grams a week don't say "good cycle!" and I never go over 1200mgs and I compete and am ranked nationally so I don't think it was a waste of needles. If you think diffrent dispute me at the USA! M.O.D. is a good bro. He is a voice of reason. Show some respect.

xoxoxoxox back at you!
 
I am 45yrs old 6'0 218 and pics are posted, though I don't owe you a pic. I am not a competitor and I couldn't care less about it. It's nice for you that you have great genetics. None of that has ANYTHING to do with this discussion. How YOU react to a particular AS or the dose of it is only that, how YOU react, not the rest of the world. If your whole argument of dosing is based on YOUR size then this is even more ridiculous than I first thought. Diet and training are a great influence on how big some one is but they don't take the place of genetics, only AS can even that field and if both are on the same AS then genetics wins again.
I did not disrespect M.O.D. in any way.
 
Quadsweep said:


Also all drugs down regulate, even your own insulin does. I.E. Type 2 diabeties so it is not a myth.
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Not to get too involved in this spat, as I respect and like people arguing both sides, but if you're gonna preach about diabetes, at least know the correct terminology. Types 1&2 are out of date terms. They are now referred to as NIDDM and IDDM, respectively.
 
ulter said:
I am 45yrs old 6'0 218 and pics are posted, though I don't owe you a pic. I am not a competitor and I couldn't care less about it. It's nice for you that you have great genetics. None of that has ANYTHING to do with this discussion. How YOU react to a particular AS or the dose of it is only that, how YOU react, not the rest of the world. If your whole argument of dosing is based on YOUR size then this is even more ridiculous than I first thought. Diet and training are a great influence on how big some one is but they don't take the place of genetics, only AS can even that field and if both are on the same AS then genetics wins again.
I did not disrespect M.O.D. in any way.
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I do not mean to get in to a pissing match at all. My size is not the basis of my argument either. I do disagree that AS is the end all and be all of "evening the field. If you do not have the receptor affinity to make use of a high dose then all that you can't use is side effects. And if you have poor genetics that may very well be the case. For the most part I enjoy your posts and you seem like an intelligent person, but to not get any history on a person and tell them that 1500mgs a week is great as many here do, is irresponsible and inconsiderate. All i am saying is starting out slow and easy to see if a lower dose is effective in giving you the gains you want and expect seems the wise way to go. If you need more you can always step it up next cycle. I meant no offense, I get a little fired up sometimes so accept my apology please. I do not mean to make an enemy here.

Peace
 
spentagn said:


Not to get too involved in this spat, as I respect and like people arguing both sides, but if you're gonna preach about diabetes, at least know the correct terminology. Types 1&2 are out of date terms. They are now referred to as NIDDM and IDDM, respectively.
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Noted, Thanks.:)
 
Be carefull quad, you must of not read the short guy thread SOME of these guys 6'3 don't like us short guys and what ever you do don't even look like your going to hold your arms out while you walk one of these tall guys might meet you there and try to put them down for you.haha prob some of the same guys that has to take a ton of juice to even look like they have worked out before.
 
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Be carefull quad, you must of not read the short guy thread SOME of these guys 6'3 don't like us short guys and what ever you do don't even look like your going to hold your arms out while you walk one of these tall guys might meet you there and try to put them down for you.haha prob some of the same guys that has to take a ton of juice to even look like they have worked out before.
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Yes I read it!:D Ulter is a good Bro we just disagree and that is cool. I just think it is best to lean to the side of caution.

peace
 
Not at all. It's all good bro. I am responding with my own views and nothing more should be made of it.
I agree you can't throw well dosed cycles up and say this is the answer boy and girls, just do this. That's irresponsible and I posted as much when the Chart Boys started posting their theories on how to cycle here.
AS does level the field in a sad way. You need only look at the guys in Mr O. They don't have any differences in the way they look anymore. Only size. The genetics that made Arnold look different than Franco or Lou or Sergio are gone. They use SO MUCH juice that they have blown right past genetics as Sergio points out in his latest interview.
 
I do not understand why ANYONE disagrees with his post. Logically it maked perfect sence, what he says applies to all rookies. There is no argument about it. Start low. Period. END.


Sincerely :nopity:
 
ulter said:
Not at all. It's all good bro. I am responding with my own views and nothing more should be made of it.
I agree you can't throw well dosed cycles up and say this is the answer boy and girls, just do this. That's irresponsible and I posted as much when the Chart Boys started posting their theories on how to cycle here.
AS does level the field in a sad way. You need only look at the guys in Mr O. They don't have any differences in the way they look anymore. Only size. The genetics that made Arnold look different than Franco or Lou or Sergio are gone. They use SO MUCH juice that they have blown right past genetics as Sergio points out in his latest interview.
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Cool bro. I agree thgat the pros look pretty much the same (except Flex and Shawn Ray) and not completly in a good way. The one thing about the pros is they all have outstanding genetics and an awsome ability to make use of all the drugs. Somthing a smaller less gifted person more than likly will never do. If it was so we could all be pros. I know we have different views on some things but we both love traing , being way bigger than most everyone you meet, and as sad as it may be JUICING! I admitt I love going on and blowing up. It is just what we do!

Peace:D
 
I'll be doing a cc of sus everyday, 600mg of deca a week, and 100mg of tren everyday for about 14 weeks,starting in about a month, but it's like my 15th cycle I'm 6"2' 260 and 39 years old. I wouldn't recomend high doses for any begginer. 200mg of test and 200mg of deca sounds good for a first one.
 
That dosage would screw me up, but good luck to you. I think its important people quantify their history like Smog just did. It adds clarity.
 
I have to agree with Quadsweep. Its quite sad to see how many losers there are on this board who think they know it all and are offering bad advice to the impressionable. It seems quite a few think they are experts just because they have 600+ posts etc and don't hesitate to flame anyone who disagrees with them. I've just joined the board and have only a few posts so far, but that doesn't mean I am inexperienced. I will only ever offer genuine advice that I think is useful and I'm not afraid to change my viewpoint. This board is about sharing ideas and everybody should be able to ask a question, however stupid. The most helpful memebers of this board have proved time and again they have the maturity, sense and knowledge to offer good advice and also listen without inviting conflict (Mustang_18 to name a few). For all those others with ego problems they should think about the effect they are having on others by the things they say.
 
Quadsweep GREAT POST!! ......there are a lot of newbies reading this and I think it would be a great idea if you gave an example of a sane first time cycle bro. How about one for the man under 190 and one for the man over 190. Again GREAT POST!
 
a good newbie cycle.

Realgains said:
Quadsweep GREAT POST!! ......there are a lot of newbies reading this and I think it would be a great idea if you gave an example of a sane first time cycle bro. How about one for the man under 190 and one for the man over 190. Again GREAT POST!
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Thanks Real. That is a good idea you have there. I think a good first cycle for an under 190# man would gol ike this:

200mg Test-E per week
200mg Deca or EQ Per week
both run for eight weeks follored by 50mg clomid per day for 3-4 weeks then off for 6-8 weeks. The next cycle could be slightly higher or the same.

Over 190# man:
300mg Test-E per week
300mg Deca or EQ per week.

Same clomid therapy after and same time off and next cycle advice.

I think this would work well for most first time users in each catagory. No sides and decent to really good gains. Hell my first cycle was 250mg sust a week for eight weeks and I gained 27# and kept 18#. I hope this is helpful to someone here.
 
Being and old fart

36..I have to say that weight has alot to do with doses but age also has a tremendous amount of effect on doses, as well as metabolism.
What it comes down to is some people grow great at low doses and other do not,period....So therefore it has to due with there genetic disposition and it is upto each individual to use there head and do research, not to mention blood work prior to cycle.

All these factors affect drug levels in the blood. one can say the half life of test cyp is 6 days so a 500mg shot = 250mg on day 6 so that is what your level is is baloney, it is dependant upon how your particular genetic disposition reacts to that amount and how fast it metabolizes that particular compund. So really the only true way to assertain true levels is to get blood work done and ensure that the drug is dosed correctly.

What it comes down to is people need to research, educate themselves b4 they stick anything into there body, then they need to take all of the recommendations that we all make with a grain of ssalt and understand that there is more to it than 1 gram test 50mg dbol and 600 eq and I will get big....DUH
 
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gethard1 said:
36..I have to say that weight has alot to do with doses but age also has a tremendous amount of effect on doses, as well as metabolism.
What it comes down to is some people grow great at low doses and other do not,period....So therefore it has to due with there genetic disposition and it is upto each individual to use there head and do research, not to mention blood work prior to cycle.

All these factors affect drug levels in the blood. one can say the half life of test cyp is 6 days so a 500mg shot = 250mg on day 6 so that is what your level is is baloney, it is dependant upon how your particular genetic disposition reacts to that amount and how fast it metabolizes that particular compund. So really the only true way to assertain true levels is to get blood work done and ensure that the drug is dosed correctly.

What it comes down to is people need to research, educate themselves b4 they stick anything into there body, then they need to take all of the recommendations that we all make with a grain of ssalt and understand that there is more to it than 1 gram test 50mg dbol and 600 eq and I will get big....DUH
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you are correct there bro, That is why I get so piised when a newbie posts he is doing this huge cycle and all these assholes say "good cycle" and they don't know shit about him. It is irresponsible plain and simple.
 
GREAT INFO! LISTEN UP NEWBIE'S AND this thread should be a STICKY!

Quadsweep has just posted newbie cycles that are all but identicle to the recommendations of Guru's William Llewellyn, author of Anabolics 2002, and Dr Scuggs at www.newhopemed.com
THIS IS NO ACCIDENT as Quadsweep knows his stuff! Notice the similarities in in Quadsweeps recommendations to the following quotes.....

NOTE: We should all be concerned about safety and using as little as possible for good gains especially the newbie.

"The safest type of cycle for a man I think would probably be a low 200-400mg weekly dose of test , nandrolone, boldenone or a mix thereof" William Llewellyn

" There are so many ways to use these drugs, but a rough guide for safety/results from my perspective would be 400-600mg weekly of an injectable like test, boldenone, deca, with Nolvadex as an anti- estrogen if one is necessary. I don't dislike Primo, but you do need to add an anti-estrogen to keep HDL up, whereas you can at times get away without it when taking a little test, EQ and Deca" William Llewellyn

" A typical dose would be between 100-200mg of testosterone and the same dose of nandrolone deconate injested every 4 days.It is more than adequate for athletes and all but the most serious hardcoe bodybuilders" Dr. Scuggs www.newhopemed.com

I hope Bill L doesn't mind me taking something out of his book here..... here is a cycle for a newbie that he recommends in his book Anabolics 2002. 10 weeks of EQ at 200 and Test enanthate 250 followed by clomid and H C G . " a great beginners muscle building stack" William Llewellyn Anabolics 2002.

By the way I highly recommend everyone buy Bill L's book Anabolics 2002, as it is very good and would be great for anyone to read, especially the newbie. Got mine at www.mesorx.com and the shipping was free.

Realgains
 
Just to be exact I need to correct the quaote from Bill L's book.

Above I said 200 of EQ with 250 of test for ten weeks....actually it is 250 of EQ and 250 of test for a total of 500mg per week !
Stay away from those 1000-1500mg recommendations you sometimes here a newbie should take in order to make the most out of his virgin cycle!
 
muscleup said:
BUMP for Mr. QuadSweep the voice of reason.....and and you owe me an e-mail...... [email protected]
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I know, I know!;) I had to have some words with a bottle of Yeager last night!:bawling: I am up and at em and I will get to everyone today.I would say in the next hour or so.


Peace....You impatient bastard!:D
 
Done.....and I hope Bill comes aboard soon as his voice of reason would be a great end to this "sticky level" thread!
 
Some people seem to have an odd mentality where they always wonder how much they can tolerate instead of how little do they require. It makes sense to take the most ecconomical approach when elevating your endocrine system to supraphysiological amounts. You save money and get less side effects. Is jaundice, baldness, and a big drug bill really worth 10 more pounds of muscle you piss away after the cycle?
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
Some people seem to have an odd mentality where they always wonder how much they can tolerate instead of how little do they require. It makes sense to take the most ecconomical approach when elevating your endocrine system to supraphysiological amounts. You save money and get less side effects. Is jaundice, baldness, and a big drug bill really worth 10 more pounds of muscle you piss away after the cycle?
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You have hit the nail on the head. Your screen name fucking cracks me up too by the way!
 
Realgains said:
Done.....and I hope Bill comes aboard soon as his voice of reason would be a great end to this "sticky level" thread!
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actually just posted what I was going to PM you. By the way how do you know him? (BL)
 
I really don't know him ...I have just talked with him via e-mail a lot...great guy and he knows his stuff. I love his book.
 
Realgains said:
I really don't know him ...I have just talked with him via e-mail a lot...great guy and he knows his stuff. I love his book.
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It is cool he takes time out to talk with you even if it is by email.
 
Nice job!

Damn Quad! Nice job brother! That was a helluva post. You were on a roll, man!! I bet you ARE exhausted. That was alot of replies!! I just want to say that I think it's great to see a guy like you that has your experience & wisdom, look out for the younger guys like you have done. That speaks tons about you as a human being. The last thing we want is for someone to go overboard on this stuff & hurt themselves. You just probably prevented someone from doing just that. We need more like you!

DB
 
NICE POST QUADSWEEP! I HAVE BEEN WORKING OUT FOR YEARS, I HAVE ONLY RECENTLY MADE IT A HIGHER PRIORITY IN MY LIFE. ALONG WITH CHANGING MY DIET, SLEEP PATTERNS AND LIFESTYLE, I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO LEAR MORE ABOUT THE AS SIDE OF IT.
I GUESS I AM CONSIDERED A "NEWBIE" IN ELITE TERMS, BUT IT'S NICE TO GET WHAT SEEMS LIKE SOUND ADVICE FROM SOMEONE THAT CARES MORE ABOUT HEALTH THAN STATS. ONCE I MAKE THE LEAP TO AS, I WANT IT TO HELP NOT HURT ME........

THANKS AGAIN
 
freak74 said:
NICE POST QUADSWEEP! I HAVE BEEN WORKING OUT FOR YEARS, I HAVE ONLY RECENTLY MADE IT A HIGHER PRIORITY IN MY LIFE. ALONG WITH CHANGING MY DIET, SLEEP PATTERNS AND LIFESTYLE, I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO LEAR MORE ABOUT THE AS SIDE OF IT.
I GUESS I AM CONSIDERED A "NEWBIE" IN ELITE TERMS, BUT IT'S NICE TO GET WHAT SEEMS LIKE SOUND ADVICE FROM SOMEONE THAT CARES MORE ABOUT HEALTH THAN STATS. ONCE I MAKE THE LEAP TO AS, I WANT IT TO HELP NOT HURT ME........

Any help I gan give just PM me! Peace

THANKS AGAIN
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Re: Nice job!

daveyboy said:
Damn Quad! Nice job brother! That was a helluva post. You were on a roll, man!! I bet you ARE exhausted. That was alot of replies!! I just want to say that I think it's great to see a guy like you that has your experience & wisdom, look out for the younger guys like you have done. That speaks tons about you as a human being. The last thing we want is for someone to go overboard on this stuff & hurt themselves. You just probably prevented someone from doing just that. We need more like you!



DB
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:bawling:Yes I am shot for the day! I do hope I helped someone. There is an idiot post from a newbie up right now! I can't win!!!!
 
M.O.D said:


more is better right?...of course it is until years down the road when you have to piss out of a bag attached to your body:nopity:
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The above is likely to happen to me anyway - recurrent bladder cancer...

But M.O.D is right. The advice on this site is hardcore to the extreme. I know big guys that are shocked by what is often advocated here... I am actually going to embark on a much more moderate cycle for cycle no.2. Cycle no.1 featured 500mg test per 8/9 days and 15 to 20mg dbol per day.. I think this is too much! I am going to see what 250 test per week (you read right!) plus 20mg dbol per day for one month cycles does (one month on, 2 months off). I know you will say that test takes a month to kick in - but that is conflicting to other information that states that test levels are at peak within a few days of test (sust, omna, testo, etc)?!
 
Honestly... my receptors must be shot or something... because when I do around 500-600, I just don't get the gains I do when I'm using 1000mg... I know it's a bit much. One of the trainers at my gym can do 100mg a week and get ripped off it...

Maybe it is because I am using the mexican underdosed shit... 1000 = 400 LOL

C
 
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