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I am SO F'n Pissed.

R

Raina

Banned
I have 4 hours of lab on Saturday mornings. For the last few weeks my lab group and I wrote a paper and prepared a 15 minutes note-card free presentation. We worked really hard on it and even managed to make a presention on an endocrine disorders fun to watch.

So after all of this work, we did our presentation this morning. And our instructor took 2-3 phone calls during our presentation and left the room for about 1/4 of it. She is working on getting her MA and was having a study session with her classmates after lab. They kept calling for last minute directions.

I have NEVER had anyone, not a student or an instructor field phone calls during a presentation. I was/am livid. THEN, at the end of class, she said that we all just got full points on our presentations and papers because she didn't have time to read our papers. What BS. I'd rather get half of the points and have someone acknowledge the effort put into my work than have it blown off.
 
That's true.

But lab overall was a waste of time. I could have gotten more out of spending those 4 hours a week with my books.

I wrote a looooong letter about it to my instructor (there's a lot of other stuff going on in lab that's messed up too) and also to the department head. The funny thing is that my lab prof was the dept. head until this year when she stepped down to further her own education.
 
You gotta learn to play the game. Look at it this way, you learned what you needed to and you earned the points that will allow you to advance. You did well for yourself, feel pleased.
 
The instructor's job is to provide feedback on this stuff. That is what you're paying her for. Remember, she's your employee, depsite how most profs view themselves.

If it were me, I'd be on the phone to her dept head immediately.
 
woah, sounds like a shitty professor.


luckily instead of screwing your grade from it, it possibly helped it, but complaining about her is a good idea, if shes going to put her education in front of her students' and ignore her job
 
Warpath said:
You gotta learn to play the game. Look at it this way, you learned what you needed to and you earned the points that will allow you to advance. You did well for yourself, feel pleased.
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i agree with warpath
 
I feel what you are saying and I am not at all. But there are somethings which you can take from this to prepare you for similar situations in the future.

Feel good about the work you did and the time you invested. I think you earned the points she gave you. You have already written a letter, so IMO you have done all that is within your control. Take a breath and pat yourself on the back. You are doing well, and your hard work will be reflected in your grade. :)
 
An athlete who practices every day but rides the bench on game day is still better for having done the work. I would still be pissed that the instructor neglected their work for their education. You can bet if you skipped the presentation to go to the movies you'd be hearing about it from the instructor.
 
Dial_tone said:
An athlete who practices every day but rides the bench on game day is still better for having done the work. I would still be pissed that the instructor neglected their work for their education. You can bet if you skipped the presentation to go to the movies you'd be hearing about it from the instructor.
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What if you were answering your cell during the presentation?
 
I suppose I didn't lose out on the actual presentation itself, but she won't tell us what's on our lab final-- which is 10% of our grade. On her last test she point-blank lied about what was going to be on it and a lot of it was on stuff she flat out said we didn't need to look at. Thus my main concern right now is that I have a huge test next Saturday and no idea what it's on. She said she'd try to email us about it by Wednesday. That won't really work.

We'll see. I also learned on Thursday that we haven't covered about 75% of the material covered in the other 2 lab groups. Thus we can't really take the same test that their lab prof (also our lecture prof) is giving us....because we don't know the material. It's all a mess. Thankfully the whole lab disaster will be over next Saturday.

If our phones ring during class our instructors reserve the right to answer them. Mine's usually in the car. ;)

I'm more chilled out right now as I had some lunch and watched Pirates of the Caribbean.
 
So disrespectful. That is obnoxious. :( Sorry you had to go through that. School is stressful enough without worrying about stupid crap like this.
 
sounds like the california education system is headed your way
 
she sounds like a total lieutenant jerkface. maybe even a captain jerkface.

do whatever you need to get the grades and learn something, if you're into that whole education thing.

don't be mad, though, reenie.

:angel:

:fro:

:D

:bigkiss:
 
dont get back at her unless its a huge problem, unfortunatley grades on anything in-course are meaningless as they are largely dependant on the examiner and do nothing to distinguish between a good student or bad. its the system, which fucking sucks. which means the only true distinction of a student s exams which is also a really lame method of assesment for something like nursing which is both practical and theory based

but what you should be careful about is an un-official black mark aganst your name...i guess it all depends on what the teaching staff are like at your college but its something worth consdering

as for exams, your v.lucky if you know whats coming up on it!
 
I don't want to get back at her. I'm mostly just pissed that I spend all of this time and money on this class and get screwed over on half of it. Lecture is AWESOME though. I have my lecture prof for lab and lecture next semester. Yeah!!!
 
Raina said:
I have 4 hours of lab on Saturday mornings. For the last few weeks my lab group and I wrote a paper and prepared a 15 minutes note-card free presentation. We worked really hard on it and even managed to make a presention on an endocrine disorders fun to watch.

So after all of this work, we did our presentation this morning. And our instructor took 2-3 phone calls during our presentation and left the room for about 1/4 of it. She is working on getting her MA and was having a study session with her classmates after lab. They kept calling for last minute directions.

I have NEVER had anyone, not a student or an instructor field phone calls during a presentation. I was/am livid. THEN, at the end of class, she said that we all just got full points on our presentations and papers because she didn't have time to read our papers. What BS. I'd rather get half of the points and have someone acknowledge the effort put into my work than have it blown off.
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Sorry Darlin......it happens


You just need me as your T&A


I mean...T/a.


:)
 
That sucks. You put alot of work in and you want to get honest credit. I was going to say if you got a bad grade you could just show your instructor your avatar for extra credit. Now thats one curve I wouldn't mind grading on. :p
 
Raina, look at it this way. Instructors do alot of unfair, unethical and sometimes thats that do not even make sense. Think of it as training for the real world. What matters in the end, is that you leave college with the knowledge you need, and the degree you sought. Everything else is trivial, and irrelevant to your goals.
 
I had a freaking teacher like that... Shit happens at least once in our life :rolleyes: ... sorry (you'll have success!... your knowledge doesn't depends on the subjective appreciation of an incompetent instructor)
 
I just hope she tells us by Tuesday what's on the lab final. She said we're sort of like children caught in the middle of a divorce because she is in a contant power battle with the lecture instructor. It really doesn't seem fair though if my lab takes a completely different exam than the other 2/3 of the class. Though it also wouldn't be fair to make us take a test on material we've never covered. Eek!

If it was "just some class" it wouldn't matter. But an A is pretty much mandatory. When there are 40 spots available for 3-4k applicants, having a lab prof give you little info on big test is concerning when it's all based on GPA. As is I'm probably not going to start clinicals til fall 05. Or I can improve my chances of getting in by being available during the day but that means I have to quit my job, work part time, and figure out a way to get by. It'll be worth it though!
 
Raina said:
I have 4 hours of lab on Saturday mornings. For the last few weeks my lab group and I wrote a paper and prepared a 15 minutes note-card free presentation. We worked really hard on it and even managed to make a presention on an endocrine disorders fun to watch.

So after all of this work, we did our presentation this morning. And our instructor took 2-3 phone calls during our presentation and left the room for about 1/4 of it. She is working on getting her MA and was having a study session with her classmates after lab. They kept calling for last minute directions.

I have NEVER had anyone, not a student or an instructor field phone calls during a presentation. I was/am livid. THEN, at the end of class, she said that we all just got full points on our presentations and papers because she didn't have time to read our papers. What BS. I'd rather get half of the points and have someone acknowledge the effort put into my work than have it blown off.
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unless someone is on the deathbed or expecting or another likewise emergencies phonecalls should be banned in schools and restaurants as they are in hospitals


i work in a restaurant
i will actually ask my patrons to turn off their cells
if they don't i show them the door
would rather show them the pointy end of my boot
pathetic losers
 
My ragin' letter went to several people. Now that I'm more settled down I see it as being quite hardsh-- but fair. I don't regret sending it. I'm not going to feel bad for being upset over someone else screwing with my education.
 
Raina said:
My ragin' letter went to several people. Now that I'm more settled down I see it as being quite hardsh-- but fair. I don't regret sending it. I'm not going to feel bad for being upset over someone else screwing with my education.
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good for you
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
Raina, look at it this way. Instructors do alot of unfair, unethical and sometimes thats that do not even make sense. Think of it as training for the real world. What matters in the end, is that you leave college with the knowledge you need, and the degree you sought. Everything else is trivial, and irrelevant to your goals.
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True.
 
I would complain to the administration...she is clearly neglecting her duties.


Hi raina!:)
 
I work in higher education. I would absolutely want to know if one of my instructors was conducting their class in this manner.


You did the right thing......
 
I have no regret about saying something! I told some classmates about it and they were glad that I had the balls to do so. ;)
 
Raina said:
I have 4 hours of lab on Saturday mornings. For the last few weeks my lab group and I wrote a paper and prepared a 15 minutes note-card free presentation. We worked really hard on it and even managed to make a presention on an endocrine disorders fun to watch.

So after all of this work, we did our presentation this morning. And our instructor took 2-3 phone calls during our presentation and left the room for about 1/4 of it. She is working on getting her MA and was having a study session with her classmates after lab. They kept calling for last minute directions.

I have NEVER had anyone, not a student or an instructor field phone calls during a presentation. I was/am livid. THEN, at the end of class, she said that we all just got full points on our presentations and papers because she didn't have time to read our papers. What BS. I'd rather get half of the points and have someone acknowledge the effort put into my work than have it blown off.
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That sounds like a TA I know.

He just gives A's and B's.....doesn't even bother with content.

Saturday Lab though?

I'd never get up for that. :)

Fonz
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
Raina, look at it this way. Instructors do alot of unfair, unethical and sometimes thats that do not even make sense. Think of it as training for the real world. What matters in the end, is that you leave college with the knowledge you need, and the degree you sought. Everything else is trivial, and irrelevant to your goals.
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A degree is one thing. A degree+good GPA is quite another. :)

Fonz
 
Raina said:
My ragin' letter went to several people. Now that I'm more settled down I see it as being quite hardsh-- but fair. I don't regret sending it. I'm not going to feel bad for being upset over someone else screwing with my education.
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Teachers can be vindictive. The letter will most likely stay in some file as she is no longer the head of the Department.
She will definately not like that one bit.

Just hope you don't get her as a teacher again.

Fonz
 
She wasn't a TA. She was the former head of our entire nursing program and the science program. BIG difference. She stepped down this fall to get her MA in nursing....she should know better.
 
Fonz said:


A degree is one thing. A degree+good GPA is quite another. :)

Fonz
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That is SO true. When you're in a GPA-competition to get into a program, B's aren't an option. They don't care what you know. They care about your grade.
 
The classroom is rarely the realm of the top 1%.

get what you need, move on.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
The classroom is rarely the realm of the top 1%.

get what you need, move on.
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That really doesn't work for engineering based applications.

Fonz
 
The short term is what matters right now because it is necessary for my long-term goals. When there are 4k applicants and 40 accepted, they don't care if I felt warm and fuzzy and rejoiced in new material....they care about my grade.

But I think it's sorted out now and I plan to kick some butt. Plus I've done very well thus far and have a lot of points I can lose while still maintaining an A in the class.
 
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