I am a bit desillusioned from SARMs

[bigbassturd]

Hmmmm.....so are you frauding about being a pro bbuilder....or is your doctor dumb enough to think u are just blessed with an abnormal amount of muscle mass? just asking

Where in the world did you get the idea that I'm a pro BBer? My stats are all over this site bro. I won't win many shows at 5' 11'' 199lbs and 9.5% BF.....

And yeah, most doctors really are dumb enough to think you can eat alot of chicken and bench press a Volvo...

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[muscleaddiction]

Where in the world did you get the idea that I'm a pro BBer? My stats are all over this site bro. I won't win many shows at 5' 11'' 199lbs and 9.5% BF.....

And yeah, most doctors really are dumb enough to think you can eat alot of chicken and bench press a Volvo...

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Oh quit being so modest

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[bigbassturd]

Oh quit being so modest

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Lol you know me bro, never satisfied! Always chasing that next goal

How's your mom feeling man?

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[muscleaddiction]

Lol you know me bro, never satisfied! Always chasing that next goal

How's your mom feeling man?

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Heading back to hospital as we speak...been crazy few days, thanks for asking bro! Need to workout...going nuts!

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[bigbassturd]

I know how you feel man, but the iron will always be there when you take care of more important business. Thoughts are with your family my friend!

 

[Jack steel]

I don't know, if you do regular blood tests, but my impression from SARMs is more and more negative.

At first I was using S4 for some time in 2010. It was great during PCT, becauce it didn't affect the recovery of my testosterone. But the effect was almost nil, until I reached 50 mg/day. After reaching 50-60 mg/day, it had a tremendeous influence on strength endurance, but I don't think that it is suitable for rapid strength gains.

It seems to me that the anabolic curve in this stuff is quite steep and it basically doesn't work at all at low doses (10-20 mg/day). In contrast, 10 mg oxandrolone can luxuriously keep my muscle gains. The most negative effect was the well-known problem with night vision that became very irritating after prolonged use. But liver values and cholesterol were O.K.

My experience with Ostarine was much worse. In January this year, I ordered an alleged Ostarine powder from China and I used it during PCT. I felt virtually nothing even at 40 mg/day, and my liver values after 4,5 weeks were terrible. My friend-chemist warned me that this stuff is derived from a highly toxic chemical, but I still hoped that I had only got some Chinese garbage and I ordered a new parcel from a well-established internet company. Their S4 is apparently legit, as evidenced by the problems with vision, and I think that their Ostarine was legit as well.

However, the same problems repeated. I was taking only 10-15 mg/day together with 30-40 mg S4, but my liver values again went up. My testosterone after 3 weeks was 50 ng/dl, i.e. heavily supressed. I stopped using it for 7 weeks and I started a new cycle on Sunday with 12.5 mg Ostarine and 35 mg S4 daily. After mere 4 days, my liver values again skyrocketed (they are 20% above the upper limit already, despite the fact that 3 weeks ago they were fine) and my testosterone is falling down rapidly (195 ng/dl).

I may not be just the best responder to this drug, but I have already read several stories of guys, who used Ostarine and their liver values were elevated. I don't think that Ostarine is just the best SARMs ever developed. Although Anavar always ruined my chjolesterol, it has never elevated my liver values so high, even at 80 mg/day. In fact, they have never been higher than the upper limit. This indicates a pretty high hepatotoxicity of Ostarine. I would rather prefer S4, although it is not just the strongest anabolic drug and the issues with vision can have unpredictable long-term consequences.

Well. I think you're just doing all wrong bro, no offense. First thing is s4 is going to suppress you, so no surprise there. You shouldn't be using it in a pct because it actually does suppress. Also remember its a SARM not a steroid, so comparing s4 to oxandralone is irrelavant. secondly, correct me if I'm wrong someone, but s4 isn't alleged to be anabolic at anything lower than 50mg. So no surprise there. It doesn't sound like you did your homework pre-cycle. Third and last thing is you bought some shady ass powder from china. I think the cholesterol issues are documented a few places as well. I know tons of people who get great results from places like sarmsearch and unique. I've personally had great success with my ostarine as well. Don't turn your back on it just yet man, it's a great tool if you have legit stuff and get all the information you need beforehand. Good luck to ya.

 

[dylangemelli]

EXACTLY... fucking powder from china? seriously bro? s4 in pct? your doing everything the wrong way... of course your having a bad time with it... just as rick said... there is a lot that will show the complete opposite of what you are saying... i feel bad you had a bad experience, but you have to blame yourself on that one... take it as a lesson learned man...

 

[EliteFitnessGuy]

Well. I think you're just doing all wrong bro, no offense. First thing is s4 is going to suppress you, so no surprise there. You shouldn't be using it in a pct because it actually does suppress. Also remember its a SARM not a steroid, so comparing s4 to oxandralone is irrelavant. secondly, correct me if I'm wrong someone, but s4 isn't alleged to be anabolic at anything lower than 50mg. So no surprise there. It doesn't sound like you did your homework pre-cycle. Third and last thing is you bought some shady ass powder from china. I think the cholesterol issues are documented a few places as well. I know tons of people who get great results from places like sarmsearch and unique. I've personally had great success with my ostarine as well. Don't turn your back on it just yet man, it's a great tool if you have legit stuff and get all the information you need beforehand. Good luck to ya.

No. You misunderstood me. I don't think that S4 is much suppressive. Otherwise my testosterone wouldn't go up from 11 ng/dl to 132 ng/dl after 5 weeks on S4. But I was taking small doses, 20-30 mg/day. (It was in the spring 2010).

And in August this year, my testosterone went up from less than 50 ng/dl to 325 ng/dl within mere 4 weeks on S4 (20-40 mg/day) and 0.5-1 mg anastrozole/day. The combination of S4 with anastrozole is excellent for PCT.

According to my experience, 40 mg S4 is needed to compensate the suppression of endogenous testosterone, and anabolic effects can be seen at doses higher than 50 mg/day. Therefore, the anabolic curve of S4 is very steep. Mere 10 mg oxandrolone is able to accomplish the same like 40 mg S4. But oxandrolone is much more suppressive.

As for Ostarine, it is not a drug for me. Too hepatotoxic. I combined low doses of Ostarine (10-15 mg/day) and S4 (30-40 mg/day) in order to lower their side effects. But the anabolic effect was not much impressive. Actually, I experienced the biggest strength gains during PCT on S4 and anastrozole. Now, what should I do? If I use more than 10 mg Ostarine/day, my liver values explode. If I use more than 40 mg S4/day, the issues with vision will become a problem very fast.

 

[EliteFitnessGuy]

EXACTLY... fucking powder from china? seriously bro? s4 in pct? your doing everything the wrong way... of course your having a bad time with it... just as rick said... there is a lot that will show the complete opposite of what you are saying... i feel bad you had a bad experience, but you have to blame yourself on that one... take it as a lesson learned man...

I normally order powder from China. It is not a dangerous business. So far I have ordered 5 times and I always got what I had ordered. Last time my parcel with nandrolone powder was seized by customs and a subsequent lab test confirmed nandrolone in it LOL The issue with the Ostarine powder - and 10 vials for my friend with alleged HGH that contained food sugar - was the only one I have ever had. In general, it is safe to order steroids from China. But I wouldn't order any hormones or any new stuff.

 

[stevesmi]

No. You misunderstood me. I don't think that S4 is much suppressive. Otherwise my testosterone wouldn't go up from 11 ng/dl to 132 ng/dl after 5 weeks on S4. But I was taking small doses, 20-30 mg/day. (It was in the spring 2010).

And in August this year, my testosterone went up from less than 50 ng/dl to 325 ng/dl within mere 4 weeks on S4 (20-40 mg/day) and 0.5-1 mg anastrozole/day. The combination of S4 with anastrozole is excellent for PCT.

According to my experience, 40 mg S4 is needed to compensate the suppression of endogenous testosterone, and anabolic effects can be seen at doses higher than 50 mg/day. Therefore, the anabolic curve of S4 is very steep. Mere 10 mg oxandrolone is able to accomplish the same like 40 mg S4. But oxandrolone is much more suppressive.

As for Ostarine, it is not a drug for me. Too hepatotoxic. I combined low doses of Ostarine (10-15 mg/day) and S4 (30-40 mg/day) in order to lower their side effects. But the anabolic effect was not much impressive. Actually, I experienced the biggest strength gains during PCT on S4 and anastrozole. Now, what should I do? If I use more than 10 mg Ostarine/day, my liver values explode. If I use more than 40 mg S4/day, the issues with vision will become a problem very fast.

without knowing what your LH was we have no idea if you were suppressed or not. testosterone levels don't mean a thing.

if you run 2 grams of sustanon for 2 years your testosterone levels will be 1500+ if you run a blood test. but we both know you are suppressed at that stage. your LH is at 0.. you are shut down.

its great that you ran bloods but you didn't prove anything because you failed to check your LH and FSH .. those two things will tell you if you are suppressed. all you managed to do was confuse yourself and any newb who reads your experience not doing a full hormone panel

i bet you were suppressed on S4, but the cool thing is your test levels went UP on it.. but i would bet my left nut your LH tanked though. so yes never run it during PCT.