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did you pay with credits, chits, or pure dirt
for work only rob. teh murdercycle is still my main mode of transporting to and from poon
youpissmeoff
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geigh as sending a chick home that showed up at your apartment without banging her first.
youpissmeoff
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lol.. btw City driving or highway?
youpissmeoff
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I would spend the money converting a car to Natural Gas. Lower emissions and better economics. Natural gas sales for the equivalent of about $1.45/gallon of gasoline.
lol@getting a decent hybrid for $5-$6k.
You'd be better off investing that money with John becuase you're not gonna get anything worth shit for that.
Both, I drive a shitton for work. A hybrid would make sense economically for me
digimon7068
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shit...the activity has slowed to a snail's pace around here due to low prices...the drillers need some incentive, cuz if they keep drilling, it would stand to reason that the prices are gonna go even lower, yes???
Natural Gas Vehicles: Pros and Cons
Just like when driving with a car using gasoline, there are pros and cons to driving natural gas vehicles. Although the greenhouse gas emissions emitted by a natural gas vehicle is less than that of a gasoline vehicle, natural gas—or CNG as it is known—is still a fossil fuel and therefore a non-renewable resource.
Natural gas vehicles have been around for quite some time on our roads now and here is a list explaining the advantages and disadvantages of natural gas vehicles.
Pros
Less Pollution: Air pollution caused by vehicle emissions is a huge concern and something that we need to control to ensure a safer and greener environment. Natural gas vehicles’ greenhouse gas emissions are far less and not as hazardous to the environment as the emissions from gasoline vehicles.
Availability of Natural Gas Deposits: There are huge amounts of natural gas deposits available mainly due to the fact that natural gas has not been used as much as petroleum. Although a non-renewable resource, natural gas deposits will not be depleted in our lifetime.
Low Maintenance Cost: The maintenance costs of natural gas vehicles is very low and, as buying a car is a long term investment, this should come as a relief for many natural gas vehicle owners.
Tax: In the United States and many other countries natural gas vehicle owners receive tax incentives. This is mainly to curb air pollution.
Conversion Kits: Even if you cannot afford to buy a natural gas vehicle, you are still able to change your car to a hybrid with the availability of a conversion kit. The installation of the kit in your car will enable you to drive with a mixture of gasoline and natural gas, making a multi-fueled hybrid car.
Compression Ratio: Natural gas vehicle engines have a very high compression ratio, burning most of the fuel and leaving very few byproducts behind.
Cost: Natural gas cost is far less than that of gasoline.
Cons
High Cost: The high cost of implementing this technology is one of the stumbling blocks. Buying a natural gas vehicle will be more expensive than a petroleum car as they are not as popular and readily available.
Speed: Natural gas vehicles are not as fast as their gasoline counterparts.
Availability of Natural Gas Stations: Because natural gas vehicles are not that popular, there are only a select few CNG stations available to the owner of such a car. This means that you will have to carry bigger tanks in your vehicle or face having to tow your car to the nearest natural gas station which could be ten miles or more away if you run out of natural gas.
Tanks: Like with gasoline you will need a storage tank in your car for natural gas. Unfortunately this tank is huge and, as it is normally installed in your trunk, you will have basically no trunk space available afterwards.
Performance: Natural gas vehicles have less performance when it comes to the amount of gas used in relation to the mileage of the car.
Safety: Natural gas is stored in a pressurized fuel tank in your vehicle which is a big safety concern.
Just like when driving with a car using gasoline, there are pros and cons to driving natural gas vehicles. Although the greenhouse gas emissions emitted by a natural gas vehicle is less than that of a gasoline vehicle, natural gas—or CNG as it is known—is still a fossil fuel and therefore a non-renewable resource.
Natural gas vehicles have been around for quite some time on our roads now and here is a list explaining the advantages and disadvantages of natural gas vehicles.
Pros
Less Pollution: Air pollution caused by vehicle emissions is a huge concern and something that we need to control to ensure a safer and greener environment. Natural gas vehicles’ greenhouse gas emissions are far less and not as hazardous to the environment as the emissions from gasoline vehicles.
Availability of Natural Gas Deposits: There are huge amounts of natural gas deposits available mainly due to the fact that natural gas has not been used as much as petroleum. Although a non-renewable resource, natural gas deposits will not be depleted in our lifetime.
Low Maintenance Cost: The maintenance costs of natural gas vehicles is very low and, as buying a car is a long term investment, this should come as a relief for many natural gas vehicle owners.
Tax: In the United States and many other countries natural gas vehicle owners receive tax incentives. This is mainly to curb air pollution.
Conversion Kits: Even if you cannot afford to buy a natural gas vehicle, you are still able to change your car to a hybrid with the availability of a conversion kit. The installation of the kit in your car will enable you to drive with a mixture of gasoline and natural gas, making a multi-fueled hybrid car.
Compression Ratio: Natural gas vehicle engines have a very high compression ratio, burning most of the fuel and leaving very few byproducts behind.
Cost: Natural gas cost is far less than that of gasoline.
Cons
High Cost: The high cost of implementing this technology is one of the stumbling blocks. Buying a natural gas vehicle will be more expensive than a petroleum car as they are not as popular and readily available.
Speed: Natural gas vehicles are not as fast as their gasoline counterparts.
Availability of Natural Gas Stations: Because natural gas vehicles are not that popular, there are only a select few CNG stations available to the owner of such a car. This means that you will have to carry bigger tanks in your vehicle or face having to tow your car to the nearest natural gas station which could be ten miles or more away if you run out of natural gas.
Tanks: Like with gasoline you will need a storage tank in your car for natural gas. Unfortunately this tank is huge and, as it is normally installed in your trunk, you will have basically no trunk space available afterwards.
Performance: Natural gas vehicles have less performance when it comes to the amount of gas used in relation to the mileage of the car.
Safety: Natural gas is stored in a pressurized fuel tank in your vehicle which is a big safety concern.
I paid with black death cigarettes
and my folks are guilt ridden wealthy libs, so of course they have been buying prius' since they came out.
i've driven a few of them they've owned, nice lil cars, got more pickup than i expected.
gonna be 20 yrs before a used one is 5-7k
You can find em that cheap now if you go with an older one with high miles
kx250rider
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Lots of driving: You mean a lot of short in-the-city trips, or long commutes from the suburbs to downtown, or what kind of driving? A hybrid will MAYBE do a LITTLE better in the city for short trips, than a regular 4-cylinder car, but they will do worse on any road trips. And when you add the additional cost to buy one (new or used), they're usually not worth it. The only reason they sold so well new, was that there were huge tax credits for the purchase and ownership, and some states allowed them to ignore car pool lane restrictions, parking meter payment, and etc. But when it gets right down to it, they don't look so good on the bottom line.
^ ^ YES! This is true of most any normal 4-cylinder gas car, and a Diesel 4-cylinder can easily get double that. I have an '84 Corolla 1.8 Diesel, which the EPA brochure says gets 59mpg hwy, and I drove it like a Grandma from Barstow, CA to Bullhead, AZ, and proved 70 mpg!!! No lie.
DIESEL is the way to go, but that limits you to luxury European cars here in the USA. Too bad we don't allow the new clean Diesels here like Toyota and Nissan sell in Europe and the Mideast. 50-70mpg easily in a midsized sedan.
Charles
^ ^ YES! This is true of most any normal 4-cylinder gas car, and a Diesel 4-cylinder can easily get double that. I have an '84 Corolla 1.8 Diesel, which the EPA brochure says gets 59mpg hwy, and I drove it like a Grandma from Barstow, CA to Bullhead, AZ, and proved 70 mpg!!! No lie.
DIESEL is the way to go, but that limits you to luxury European cars here in the USA. Too bad we don't allow the new clean Diesels here like Toyota and Nissan sell in Europe and the Mideast. 50-70mpg easily in a midsized sedan.
Charles
huh, didn't know that...how do prius motors hold up with high mileage?
it's really a really sweet car, if you can get over the hippy/libtard feeling you get being seen driving one
huh, didn't know that...how do prius motors hold up with high mileage?
it's really a really sweet car, if you can get over the hippy/libtard feeling you get being seen driving one
Yeah they've been making it for sometime. It's one of those cars that when gas is cheap you can buy those lil fuckers on the cheap, and when gas shoots up so do they.
Americans still love their bigass trucks and SUVs. Most (in my experience) won't even consider a prius until gas is high then they come in begging for them, but by that point they're a hot commodity and you pay dearly for them.
Few years ago before the big gas increase I could buy 2 year old models with low miles for 12gs, and they still retailed for 19-20 grand. Problem was you never got full book for them unless you held onto them anticipating an increase in gas prices.
Pwned by the newb!!
yeah ppl at work still want the biggest effin truck they can get
why not a used tdi??? I sincerely don't know how well the electronics hold up but I cant imagine the engines even at high mileage are in rough shape
Lol@that generalization.
So Japanese cars don't break? I guess they build service departments on those Honda dealerships just for looks.
I said "chance". All cars break, but the odds improve.
I dunno, I still disagree.
I've seen a lot of domestic cars with a shit ton of miles than ran great. The gm 3800 was on of them.
Not saying the imports don't either, but I think there is a big misconception with the domestics.
I've personally never been much of a van of Hondas. Their interiors are cheap, lotta road noise, rough ride, etc.
The other problem with Hondas in that price range is a lot of that market share has been owned by younger kids who watched Pdaddy on fast and furious and tore the shit out of them. Not all of them, but it's something you need to look out for.
Even if it's a beige or light metallic blue 4-door with no fart can, spoiler, or aftermarket rims?
Are Cobalts down in the $5-6K range yet?
Yeah, they are.
Personally, I'd rather have an older low mileage Buick lesabre or something. 30mpgs, comfy ride, and in that price range they are fairly easy to find with 50-60k miles, and the 3800 is a really strong motor.
You're not gonna be scoring any poon in that car, but odds are you pry won't be in a old ass civic or cobalt either.
What's your opinion of Hyundai? They're popular as hell around here. Consumer Reports is starting to like their quality. And they're still inexpensive.
The newer ones are fantastic. I have sold a lot of the new sonatas and had customers call me back and tell me they are getting 40-42 mpgs out of them. I'd buy one over honda or Toyota all day long.
Whats "newer"?
Way out of you 5 grand price range, brongr
*your
kx250rider
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Nothing wrong with Hyundai except for resale value and available parts. Korean cars still are sideline brands (sold secondary at a Ford or Chevy dealer, etc). And while you can go to Napa and buy anything for a Honda or Toyota, you can't buy a rebuilt power steering pump for a Daewoo or Hyundai as easily or cheaply yet. One needs to think about that when buying a used car, unless you're prepared to pay retail dealer prices for repairs & parts. I can go buy a set of brake rotors and pads at Pep Boys for about $75 out the door for my '96 Toyota 4x4, but dealer retail would be more like $300.
Charles
Charles
resale values are improving. Parts are readily available. Not sure where you're getting you're info.
kia/hyundai are virtually the same thing. The new optima you're talking about is a pretty sweet car. I have one...I really like the aggressive styling that it has.
seems hella cheap...my credit is around 640 what kinda rate you think i'd get?
8-9% if your F&I guy doesn't try to make rate on you. 110% LTV front, 120% Back. 20BPS equity discount if you get your LTV<90%
fuck that seems high, i guess 640 isn't as respectable as i thought.
maybe i should use a co-signer, folks have perfect ratings
It is somewhat high with what rates are now (mine run 1.99-21%)
640 is at the lower end of the prime scale.
kx250rider
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I agree on the values improving, and that parts are getting/will get easier to come by. But speaking for today, Korean cars are a few laps behind in those things. It took Toyota about 15 years to get fully settled in the USA with parts and mechanics on every corner. Korean cars will be the same, but just not quite yet. Resale value is quirky... It might not have anything to do with the actual value or quality. But the fact is that a 2008 Hynudai will be harder to sell and sell for a little less, than a Toyota or Honda. But the flip side is that the Hyundai will be easier to buy and cost less.
Just to be clear, I've been a big fan of Korean consumer electronics and appliances for at least 10 years... LG and Samsung are two of the best-overall TV sets, and LG refrigerators are pretty unbeatable too.
Charles
youpissmeoff
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Jeez.. no wonder the 99% are so fucking pissed. I am borrowing money at 2% on margin loans.
9% is 1989 rates.
Well the 99% need to pay their fuckin bills.
Ok just bought a 05 civic over the weekend. Its fucking perfect for my needs, 36 mpg, low miles, cruise, etc. Took it in for an oil change at the dealership and they said nothing was wrong with it after doing their inspection (they had every opportunity to try to fuck me on repairs but didnt, so Im confident in the car).
Glad I made the short drive out of town for it, and now this shit is done with.
Glad I made the short drive out of town for it, and now this shit is done with.
you took it to the dealership you bought it from for LOF and an inspection?
Bought off craiglist from some swinging dick rob.
I like to take it in for an initial oil change since theres really no way to tell when it was changed last and Im not taking anyones word for it off craigslist. Plus it gives the vultures at the dealership a chance to find something wrong with it so they can try to screw me on repair charges. So what I do is when they give me all the bullshit they think is wrong with it, I then take it to my guy who owns his own jap repair shop and constantly undercuts the big dealers by a lot, then he looks at it and I go from there for what is really needed and what isnt. So if the dealership didnt find anything wrong on their basic inspection (which they almost always do because its in their best interest= $$$), then I can feel pretty confident I bought a good car.
How many miles? How much u get it for?
85k, $5900
Be prepared to change the timing belt soon then, I think it's due at 90K? And let them do the water pump while it's apart.
kx250rider
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^ ^
Very good advice! If it fails, it'll smash up the head, and you'll be replacing the engine. Replace it (and the water pump and whatever other moving parts and springs are included with the procedure), and drive it another 100K miles trouble-free!
Charles
Is the Honda an interference engine?
kx250rider
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Yes, AFAIK. All Hondas that I've heard about timing belt failure with, have been interference engines. Most newer Toyotas are clearance, so maybe newer Hondas are too. Worth looking into. But even if this Honda happens to be clearance-type, you can still burn up the fuel system when the belt breaks, as the combustion can get shoved back into the intake, etc. Just not a good thing
Charles
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