Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below i read the article about using humilin R to get into ketosis faster. it makes sense but you should NOT ingest carbs after the injections? this is opposite of what i have heard. i have used insulin before with 10g carbs/iu slin. according to the article it says not to use carbs after the injection. is it because of the small amounts being used? and when they say 2 units do they simply mean 2 iu's? just want to make sure...i plan on putting this to the test when i start dieting on december 1. what did they mean by the special pins? aren't they all the same? i have only seen one kind before. thanks for the help
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tiny increments!!!
You better be talking about using .5 iu at a time...and realize if you really go hypo...you'd better take in some carbs.
It can be done, just go slowly and only .25 or .5 iu at a time...wait 45minutes-1 hour before your next inj. Don't consume fat while it's active.
Let us know how it goes.
Rugger
You better be talking about using .5 iu at a time...and realize if you really go hypo...you'd better take in some carbs.
It can be done, just go slowly and only .25 or .5 iu at a time...wait 45minutes-1 hour before your next inj. Don't consume fat while it's active.
Let us know how it goes.
Rugger
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Using insulin to get into ketosis "faster" is fucking idiotic and dangerous. It only takes about three days to get into ketosis and all you need to do is cut out the carbs and work out.
Please...you drama queens...
WTF are you guys thinking?
It is VERY EASY to get out of hypo-CONSUME CARBS!!!
What is so hard and dangerous about that?
Seriously now, please tell me.
If someone supplementing slin goes into insulin shock/coma-they are an idiot to begin with.
I'm waiting.
Rugger
p.s. I am not saying it's a great idea and I personally would not do it. Getting into keto isn't that tough anyway. I just don't think imminent peril is there.
WTF are you guys thinking?
It is VERY EASY to get out of hypo-CONSUME CARBS!!!
What is so hard and dangerous about that?
Seriously now, please tell me.
If someone supplementing slin goes into insulin shock/coma-they are an idiot to begin with.
I'm waiting.
Rugger
p.s. I am not saying it's a great idea and I personally would not do it. Getting into keto isn't that tough anyway. I just don't think imminent peril is there.
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Rugger...that's not even worth responding to. Your question and opinion shows your ignorance on the subject- no flame intended, I'm not trying to be rude. You just don't have the experience to assume that "all you need to do is eat carbs" and solving hypoglycemia is that easy. Speak for yourself and that's fine but don't assume your limited knowledge should be applied universally.
My brother is insulin dependant, been all his life!
Now, also, I've seen him have "reactions" as they are called when he gets hypo...it's ugly, he thinks he's ok, but you can tell, and the more you try and convince , the more he denies it.
He gets violent, delussional, incoherent, etc.
I have had to hold his ass down and feed him OJ, CAndy and other sugars to get him "back"
So, you can slip into Hypo and have a reaction with out really knowing it.
You should make sure the people around you know what youre doing, know the signs and also know what to do should you slip.
Just tryin to help.....
Now, also, I've seen him have "reactions" as they are called when he gets hypo...it's ugly, he thinks he's ok, but you can tell, and the more you try and convince , the more he denies it.
He gets violent, delussional, incoherent, etc.
I have had to hold his ass down and feed him OJ, CAndy and other sugars to get him "back"
So, you can slip into Hypo and have a reaction with out really knowing it.
You should make sure the people around you know what youre doing, know the signs and also know what to do should you slip.
Just tryin to help.....
even though slin isnt as dangerous IMHO as people make it sounds, the shit still is mad dangerous and is nothing to screw around with, i just think that some people think they are untouchable which is complete horseshit, even 1 unit too much can cause severe side effects, and 1 unit doesnt look like shit on a slin syringe, but it is, and u must respect that unit like a freakin god that can take ur life, jeez, this shit isnt a game.....
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No flame/offense taken. I know you are more knowledgeable than I am with slin.
I have used it ~5Xs, slowly finding my threshhold with no big scares, even with 20iu. Early use, I did experience hypo, but ate my way out. Infact I rarely have any hypo symptoms, because I have the food in me even before shooting.
I eat an hour before gym, train (while consuming carbs), carb drink on the 5 minute drive home, shoot 10iu, protein shake, eat fish or chicken and rice, then another hour later another no-fat meal with carbs.
My points:
Using slin to get into keto-It CAN be done safely if done with prudence (not as a first-time slin experiment).
Slin is not going to kill everyone who takes it-that seems to be the mantra that everyone chats whenever slin is mentioned.
momwarndu-
sorry for your bro. I guess I don't understand why someone using slin would not eat to begin with-before shooting and after.
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Not trying to argue, seriously, trying to get info. Noone has really explained how it so dangerous, IF you are aware of hypo and what to do to prevent or minimize, if you have worked up slowly... what is so dangerous?
Flame outta frustration and spite if you'd like, but atleast make an intelligent attempt.
Thanks for your input!
Rugger
No flame/offense taken. I know you are more knowledgeable than I am with slin.
I have used it ~5Xs, slowly finding my threshhold with no big scares, even with 20iu. Early use, I did experience hypo, but ate my way out. Infact I rarely have any hypo symptoms, because I have the food in me even before shooting.
I eat an hour before gym, train (while consuming carbs), carb drink on the 5 minute drive home, shoot 10iu, protein shake, eat fish or chicken and rice, then another hour later another no-fat meal with carbs.
My points:
Using slin to get into keto-It CAN be done safely if done with prudence (not as a first-time slin experiment).
Slin is not going to kill everyone who takes it-that seems to be the mantra that everyone chats whenever slin is mentioned.
momwarndu-
sorry for your bro. I guess I don't understand why someone using slin would not eat to begin with-before shooting and after.
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Not trying to argue, seriously, trying to get info. Noone has really explained how it so dangerous, IF you are aware of hypo and what to do to prevent or minimize, if you have worked up slowly... what is so dangerous?
Flame outta frustration and spite if you'd like, but atleast make an intelligent attempt.
Thanks for your input!
Rugger
First off, will a few days really make a huge difference? Seriously, is it worth even going into minor hypo? With insulin things can get out of hand very easily...
Like momwarndu said, and from personal experience, often times you go into hypoglycemia without even having a clue of what's going on...I have had several bad experiences, once it starts and if you're blood sugar drops too quickly, it's too late to catch it, you become so confused and so unaware of what's going on around you, then you start to black out, lose vision, and by that time it's too late...it may be easy for you to say "just eat carbs", but what if you don't realize what's going on? I'll tell you it's one of the scariest experiences you can ever go through, and I would not want to see anyone that doesn't HAVE TO go through it...
It's not always enough just being aware of the symptoms...
Sure it could work but the reason I don't jump out and say "Ya, that might work, try this....." is because I have no idea of the knowledge of slin or just overall intelligence(no offence intended to supafly or anyone else) of the person reading this post...It could just be some novice who glances by, reads"take 1 unit at a time", thinks "sounds easy and safe enough" but little do they know what they're getting into...
A lot of diabetics are on two shots a day, each shot containing a mixture of humilin R and NPH...NPH, you probably know, is a long acting insulin, and with insulin floating around in you're body, and you don't eat enough or in time, can cause low blood sugar....it's easy to say "just eat before and after". but there's a method to the maddness...timing meals, size of meals, and if one little thing is off, you've got a problem...
I'm sue if you knew more about diabetes you would realize the ignorance of that comment...
Hope this clears some things up
marx
Like momwarndu said, and from personal experience, often times you go into hypoglycemia without even having a clue of what's going on...I have had several bad experiences, once it starts and if you're blood sugar drops too quickly, it's too late to catch it, you become so confused and so unaware of what's going on around you, then you start to black out, lose vision, and by that time it's too late...it may be easy for you to say "just eat carbs", but what if you don't realize what's going on? I'll tell you it's one of the scariest experiences you can ever go through, and I would not want to see anyone that doesn't HAVE TO go through it...
It's not always enough just being aware of the symptoms...
Sure it could work but the reason I don't jump out and say "Ya, that might work, try this....." is because I have no idea of the knowledge of slin or just overall intelligence(no offence intended to supafly or anyone else) of the person reading this post...It could just be some novice who glances by, reads"take 1 unit at a time", thinks "sounds easy and safe enough" but little do they know what they're getting into...
A lot of diabetics are on two shots a day, each shot containing a mixture of humilin R and NPH...NPH, you probably know, is a long acting insulin, and with insulin floating around in you're body, and you don't eat enough or in time, can cause low blood sugar....it's easy to say "just eat before and after". but there's a method to the maddness...timing meals, size of meals, and if one little thing is off, you've got a problem...
I'm sue if you knew more about diabetes you would realize the ignorance of that comment...
Hope this clears some things up
marx
marx, thanks
Thanks. Yes, you pointed out a clear oversight on my part. I was not thinking of the different slin compositions used by diabetics, more just thinking of R. Which is really what we are talking about.
So, let's not get off the subject and point of discussion.
No one should read a post and think, "Eureka, that's it!" Instead, what they should do is think, "Interesting, I think I will research, get some more opinions and after serious thought and preparations perhaps give it a try."
We're not here to hold everyones hand and guide them with every tiny detail, that is not what a discussion board, IMO, is for.
Rugger
Thanks. Yes, you pointed out a clear oversight on my part. I was not thinking of the different slin compositions used by diabetics, more just thinking of R. Which is really what we are talking about.
So, let's not get off the subject and point of discussion.
No one should read a post and think, "Eureka, that's it!" Instead, what they should do is think, "Interesting, I think I will research, get some more opinions and after serious thought and preparations perhaps give it a try."
We're not here to hold everyones hand and guide them with every tiny detail, that is not what a discussion board, IMO, is for.
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Very well said marx....can't really add much to that
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