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'Human Rights' group urges UN to take militay action AGAINST the US

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'Human Rights' group urges UN to take military action AGAINST the US

Could U.N. use military force on U.S.?
Americans urge invoking obscure convention to halt 'aggression'

By Art Moore
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

Could the U.N. use military force to prevent the United States and Britain from waging war on Iraq without a Security Council mandate?

United Nations headquarters in New York

Some anti-war groups are urging the world body to invoke a little-known convention that allows the General Assembly to step in when the Security Council is at an impasse in the face of a "threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression."

The willingness by the U.S. and Britain to go to war with Iraq without Security Council authorization is the kind of threat the U.N. had in mind when it passed Resolution 377 in 1950, said Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, a human-rights group in New York City.

In a position paper, Ratner wrote that by invoking the resolution, called "Uniting for Peace," the "General Assembly can meet within 24 hours to consider such a matter, and can recommend collective measures to U.N. members including the use of armed forces to 'maintain or restore international peace and security.'"

The U.N. taking military action against the U.S.?

"It would be very difficult to say what that means," said Ratner in an interview with WorldNetDaily, emphasizing that he did not believe the situation would evolve to that "extreme."

"I don't consider that within the framework I'm talking about," he said.

Shonna Carter, a publicist for Ratner's group, said she believed it would be legitimate for the U.N. to use military force to stop "U.S. aggression."

"But I doubt it would happen," she said. "I don't think that as part of Uniting for Peace they would include military action, but that would have to be something those countries agreed on. …"

Steve Sawyer, spokesman for Greenpeace in New Zealand – which has joined Ratner's group in the campaign – told WND he was not aware of the U.N. being able to use force under any circumstances.

Ratner explained that Resolution 377 would enable the General Assembly to declare that the U.S. cannot take military action against Iraq without the explicit authority of the Security Council. The assembly also could mandate that the inspection regime be allowed to "complete its work."

"It seems unlikely that the United States and Britain would ignore such a measure," Ratner said in his paper. "A vote by the majority of countries in the world, particularly if it were almost unanimous, would make the unilateral rush to war more difficult."

Uniting for Peace can be invoked either by seven members of the Security Council or by a majority of the members of the General Assembly, he said.

'Ways to make U.N. more important'

Ratner, who also teaches at the Columbia University Law School, told WND that the idea of invoking the resolution "came up when I started thinking about the fact that we could get into a situation where the U.S. may go to war without a Security Council resolution or with a veto."

He had two of his students at the law school research the resolution and now has sent out the word to every U.N. mission in New York.

In addition, about 12 missions a day are being visited by campaigners, he said, and the response has been generally very positive.

He expects there to be support from the 116 countries in the non-aligned movement, who are "already saying inspectors should be given more time."

Greenpeace's involvement has greatly expanded the campaign's reach, he said, since "we're just a small human-rights litigation organization."

"I've done a lot of work with international law and with the U.N.," he said, "and we're always interested in figuring out ways to make the U.N. more important."

Sedition?

A circular e-mail letter promoting the campaign said in the first paragraph that "if Iraq is invaded, it would empower the General Assembly to restore peace, including an authorization to use military action to accomplish this, if necessary."

The letter includes Ratner's name and e-mail address as a contact, but he says he did not send out that particular version, which included the line about the U.N. using military action.

A political science professor at the University of Michigan who forwarded the letter to colleagues, added a note above the text, obtained by WND, that said: "Below you will find an excellent and urgently needed proposal for stopping the war before it starts from the Center for Constitutional Rights. …"

"Please make this major peace action a high priority and forward this message to others," said Susan Wright, who indicated she is with the university's Institute for Research on Women and Gender.

Is Wright essentially urging foreign countries to be willing to take military action against her own country?

"I wouldn't say it's necessarily sedition," said Ratner. "Advocacy is one thing, having the means to carry it out is another. It's not something I would ever recommend."
 
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GET THE U.S. OUT OF THE U.N.
Fiedor Report On the News #306 ^ | 3-16-03 | Doug Fiedor


Posted on 03/15/2003 10:24 AM PST by forest

No matter what one thinks of the looming war with Iraq, most of us have to admit something good is developing out of the overall argument. The United Nations is demonstrating, conclusively, the same irrelevance the League of Nations did many years ago.

The United States foots a quarter of the bill for that U.N paper tiger, international debating society and what do the American people get in return? We get a derogation of our liberty through bogus agreements, the right to host hundreds of ill-behaved diplomats from third- world countries and a system that allows hundreds of communist and socialist political activists into our country to instigate problems we do not need.

The true irrelevance of the U.N. becomes quite clear when all those resolutions they promulgated on Iraq are considered. The U.N. has been passing resolutions concerning the blocking of trade relations and the disarming of Iraq for well over a decade. Yet, few are obeyed and none have ever really been enforced.

Now, when the United States demands that Iraq finally be disarmed, as the U.N. ordered many years ago, other U.N. members protest.

Kofi Annan, the U.N secretary-general (a position Bill Clinton covets) lamely attempted to explain the U.N.'s inaction to disarm Iraq last Tuesday in the Wall Street Journal:

"[T]he . . . most urgent aspect of that task is to ensure that Iraq no longer has such weapons. Why? Because Iraq has actually used them in the past, and because it has twice, under its present leadership, committed aggression against its neighbors --against Iran in 1980, and against Kuwait in 1990. That is why the Security Council is determined to disarm Iraq of these weapons, and has passed successive resolutions since 1991 requiring Iraq to disarm."

Right. "The Security Council is determined to disarm Iraq of these weapons" and has been trying since 1991. Meanwhile, Iraq has rearmed and developed even new types of weapons. But, in eleven years, the U.N. has not done one thing, except talk, to stop Iraq.

Annan continues: "Let's remember that the crisis in Iraq does not exist in a vacuum. What happens there will have a profound impact on other issues of great importance. The broader our consensus on how to deal with Iraq, the better the chance that we can come together again and deal effectively with other burning conflicts in the world, starting with the one between Israelis and Palestinians. We all know that only a just resolution of that conflict can bring any real hope of lasting stability in the region."

Is there anyone in the world who still believes the U.N. could do anything about North Korea or the Israeli- Palestinian problems? Fat chance! That irrelevant debating society is no more than a useless gaggle of babbling diplomats with an excuse to live in New York City rather than their little third world countries.

Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) was exactly correct when he said, "I think the United Nations is dangerous to our republic and therefore we ought not to participate." Today, others are agreeing with Rep. Paul.

For instance, former House Majority Leader Dick Armey said: "My own view is it's very, very tricky" to support the Constitution while sustaining ties with the U. N. "If you're a strict constructionist it becomes very difficult to reconcile [participation in the U.N.] with our Constitution. . . . I see the United Nations as having very little value to us for our interests. Their constant carping about being in arrears, in light of the fact we contribute 25 percent [of the U.N. budget] since its inception is a source of irritation."

Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA) seems to also agree: "I think they do have a lot of dictatorships in [the United Nations]. They're very anti-free enterprise and it shows in the way they vote."

Kingston criticizes the United Nations for being excessively bureaucratic and wasteful of U.S. taxpayer dollars. "I think most people who have a sense of the world order realize the United Nations has become a bunch of bureaucrats more concerned about the next state dinner than preserving world peace," he said. "What I don't like about the United Nations is that while the average taxpayer is out there working hard the U.N. people are out there enjoying American tax dollars and just nibbling away at American freedom."

Clearly, the time has come to seriously consider getting the U.N. out of the United States and the United States out of the U.N.

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GREAT POST POINK. YOU ARE INTELLIGENT. I WOULD GIVE YOU LOTS OF GREEN EXCEPT TERRA LIKES TO GIVE ME LOTS OF RED.
 
palestians are being labbeled together with iraq and north korea.....

nice. :rolleyes:





this is merely the media latching onto an extreme side of an arguement. its never going to happen
 
danielson said:
palestians are being labbeled together with iraq and north korea.....

nice. :rolleyes:

this is merely the media latching onto an extreme side of an arguement. its never going to happen

i know this would never happen, but just the fact that it is being suggested fucking pisses me off. it is just another reason for the US to pull out of the UN, and if and when we do, it wont be but a matter of time until the UN implodes.

just the thought of the UN going under gives me wood.

what's wrong with associating the palestinians with iraq and north korea? maybe if they werent trying to murder innocent jews in record number, it would be a different story.
 
Dont get to for sure dude, those french bitches with their hairy armpits and mustaches could really fuck us up! Wee, wee mr.usa, may I layer on my stinch?
 
Give me a break poink, the genocide is on both sides of the table, israeli and palestine... Israel uses weaponry to kill civilians and soldiers, palestinians use suicide bombers to do the same.
 
p0ink said:


i know this would never happen, but just the fact that it is being suggested fucking pisses me off. it is just another reason for the US to pull out of the UN, and if and when we do, it wont be but a matter of time until the UN implodes.

just the thought of the UN going under gives me wood.

what's wrong with associating the palestinians with iraq and north korea? maybe if they werent trying to murder innocent jews in record number, it would be a different story.

at no point has the UN any of the security council suggested this. the UN isnt perfect, and perhaps needs modification but i;d like to see it or an organisation like it stay afloat.


well for starters many people dont even recognise a palestinian state, or a palestinian people. secondly, no matter how you spin it, they are getting fucked around by israel. yes, there are terrorists among them, just as half of al-queada is probably sipping mitai's in pakistan. but not all of them are terrorists and given hamas is one of the few organisatins that clothes, feeds and cares for them, is it any wonder they support them?

i find it laughable that a people who rarely get even a forum in the media to plea the case for a palestinain case are alligned with the 'smaller nations' in that poster (iraq and n.korea), and that the latter two are the only ones the US is supposed to curently have beef with. why was 'palestine' included i wonder?!?
 
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