Huck's 42 day,low-dose DNP cycle....

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Yes,that's right,42 days,no typo...

Dosage ran-200mgs(21 days of standardDNP,21 days of crystallized DNP)

Height-5'11"
Pre-cycle weight=246lbs
Post-cycle weight=231lbs
Total weight loss=15lbs
Lost-1 & 1/2"off of waist

This was my first experience with DNP,so I decided to keep the dosage low from start to finish,not to mention it being so hot where I live that higher dosaging would be suicidal.On day one,I had a minor allergic reaction(some hives around my neck/upper-chest area).I waited a full 36 hours before taking another cap to play it safe.This seemed to work well,as the second and additional caps were tolerated well.At about the ten-day mark,I started to notice the accumulatory effect taking place,that is I was much warmer and clammy around the clock...At day 21,I switched over to the crystallized form.Immediately,I felt the difference.This stuff has a 'kick' to it.An hour after you pop a cap your body temp spikes,as opposed to the gradual rise you get with the standardized form,and it seems to stay hotter than with the standard form as well...At the 24 hour mark of switching over to crystal DNP,I had a moderate allergic reaction once more.Hives on my neck,upper back and chest.They seemed to subside after another day or so...Now I was really starting to feel the power of DNP...I sweated buckets all day long at work,so I drank a titanic amount of water-4 gallons daily.My energy levels began to plummet,so I started to snack on small portions of fruit throughout the day,and this seemed to work tremendously well,as my energy came right back to almost normal.At around the 41 day mark,I had a huge allergic reaction-hives along my entire back,hips glutes and upper thighs.Then my skin basically dried up in these areas and started peeling and cracking,which I probably don't have to tell you,hurt like an S.O.B...At around the same time of this last severe allergic reaction,my sense of TASTE became altered.I lost sensation of being able to taste salt,as well as sweetness in foods.Yet,oddly enough,when not eating or drinking,I had this dull,sweet taste in my mouth.Even water seemed to taste semi-sweet,which kind of made it oppulsive to drink,but I knew I had to.I'm not sure this had to do with DNP,maybe more the allergic reaction,who knows.Maybe Macro or fonz can speculate,it was quite strange,and rather allarming...Will I do DNP again?Hell yes,as it is bar-none the most powerful fat-obliterating compound in existance...Will I do things differently next time?Yes,I will have a shit-load of benadryl on hand BEFORE I start,and at the first sign of a histamic reaction,I will administer a healthy dosage of it.There was no need for me to go through needless suffering,especially this last reaction,the others were quite bearable...

I would like to thank all the brothers who provided such a great education on this compound and dispelled many of it's rumors and myths-Macro,Fonz,Andy13,and any one else who shared their knowledge and experiences,thanks to you all,as I couldn't have done this with out your help my friends...

 

[Ulter]

Great post as usual my friend. This sounds like a ringing endorsement of DNP. Maybe I should just STFU in light of what you've said here. Thanks for the great info.

 

[Gbomb]

great post..thanks for the info...g...

 

[Zyglamail]

Great post Mr H. exactly the kind of write up I have been looking for.

 

[Willyumyum]

Great post Mr H. exactly the kind of write up I have been looking for.

Ditto
YUM

 

[Cornellius]

Thanks Huck for this great post...
I´ll do tha same DNP cycle soon. Will keep you posted...

 

[ultragainz]

nice post..

 

[nandroloner]

Great post! This is very much like what I have been planning. I would have only gone about half that time though without reading this post....

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

nice post Huck. How was your diet/supplements/juice and training regimen throughout the DNP cycle?

Also, what was your bf before you started?

Just finished a 4 month cycle /clomid regimen,then I went in to DNP schedule...

Supplementation-Antioxidants.2grams/day of vitamin C,800i.u./day of vitamin E,plus a multivitamin/mineral complex with extra anti-oxidants.Protein powder was the only other supplement used...

Bodyfat-Way too high,lol...My metabolism is a joke,and not a funny one either...

 

[Cornellius]

Huck, did you have any social problem like sweating like a mofo while working, or not beeing able to be close to another person etc..?

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Well it's 110 almost every day here,and I work outside,so no,I didn't look out of place any more than anyone else who works out doors here,haha...We're all sweating our balls off,lol...

 

[ultragainz]

that just like a "ultradnp"cycle...very nice

 

[Fonz]

Damn Huck, thats great stuff!

Low-dose DNP cycling is great when you're OFF gear.

I just wrote the a radical new DNP-cycling article but
it was for Moderate-high dose cycles.
(Took me 3 bloody hours)

That taste thing is VERY strange. I never got that
when I used DNP for 8 weeks in the past
at low-doses.
Must be some kind of secondary alllergic reaction.

Godspeed

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Look forward to reading that report fonz,as you've provided the vast majority of my education on this incredible drug,and moderate to high is the next evolution for me,lol...I believe the taste thing was definitely allergy-related,as it hit at the exact same time as my worst hives outbreak...

 

[TxLonghorn]

Well, I recently got off a 3 weeker dnp thingy. And am about to hit another 2 weeks.

I had somewhat similar positive experiences as Huck, but nothing seriously bad. No allergic reactions, only slight edema, hotter than normal (like Huck though, everybody here is sweating, it's just I am the only one losing fat, lol)...

I loved it. But I did feel a serious energy drain, and really had no motivation, or gas, to work out. I tried it, damn, that was not funny. I view it as a much needed vacation, lol, and try not to worry about it too much.

I love dnp. It allows me to say, 'Fuck you, Mr. Ketosis.'

tx

 

[The Iron Game]

if you just came off im sure you are still going to be losing a few more

Nice stats btw

 

[conan69]

Huck first of all, great post my friend

second
how much of the 15lbs was muscle loss

third
are you on any type of as to prevent muscle loss

4)
what was your calorie intake


thanks bro

 

[Trevdog]

This may be a silly question.

Is it possible to take 200 mg. per day for 2-4 weeks without having your wife catch on? A "little" extra sweating would be ok, but yellow sweat and stains wouldn't work.

 

[TxLonghorn]

trev, I think this may be individual. For me, I noticed no 'yellow sweat', but all my bodily fluids were yellow. All.

So you might want to turn the lights off before, ahem, you know. Otherwise, she will want you to go to a doctor, lol.

You will probably look like you are hot most of the time, but it should not be too obvious. Just don't exert yourself around her, because you will overheat quickly, and this may bring unwanted attention.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Huck first of all, great post my friend

second
how much of the 15lbs was muscle loss

third
are you on any type of as to prevent muscle loss

4)
what was your calorie intake


thanks bro

Conan & Lobo-I have to say,and this is what impressed me the most about it,I lost very little,to no muscle at all.My strength is damn near the same,as well as my arm size,which both usually whither away to embarrassing proportions when I run a keto/cardio type of diet...The only dietary modifications I made were to take in a little more carbs than I normally would(due to having a shitty insulin management response)and slightly less dietary fats.Protein was kept high,and this seemed to work quite nicely.Overall,I ate slightly less calories,but not very much less,maybe a couple of hundred/day or so.For me at least,this seems to be a much more effective way of shedding off the pounds and MAINTAINING LBM,as opposed to doing insane amounts of cardio and zeroing out carbs...No gear was used during DNP usage...

 

[bigrand]

Never heard of an allergic reaction affecting taste buds. I can see know reason why. Had to have been just a side of the DNP. Your reaction doesnt sound bad at all. Use any histamine blockers? Id stick with the 200mg if i were you. My reaction got severe when i preloaded with 600mg and dropped to 400mg. Youd know if your reaction was severe.

Great post my the way, these type of diaries are very helpful to the inexperienced, and everyone for that matter. I take it the sides were bearable and the good outweighed the bad in this cycle?

 

[Andy13]

Hey Huck... Oh.. You just wait till you hit that gram of test/week...

If I were you, I'd jump right into a cycle.. You are going to blow up.

A few questions-- did you use t3? Did you feel like your glycogen stores were depleted -ie, were you flat? How did you train? Were your workouts weak? Did you use ECA?

Congratulations on your results.


So how about that post cycle pic, huck?

Andy

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Hey Huck... Oh.. You just wait till you hit that gram of test/week...

If I were you, I'd jump right into a cycle.. You are going to blow up.

A few questions-- did you use t3? Did you feel like your glycogen stores were depleted -ie, were you flat? How did you train? Were your workouts weak? Did you use ECA?

Congratulations on your results.


So how about that post cycle pic, huck?

Andy

No T-3 was used Andy.Glycogen stores did feel greatly depleted,I was having a hard time getting any kind of pump at all,and I did flatten out.I seemed to be able to overcome this by starting to eat fruit throughout the day frequently.Workouts sucked ENERGY wise,but I didn't lose much strength at all,surprisingly...I did not use an E/C/A stack,but will definitely use it next time before I train,for that mental bost and for some temporary energy...Pics?HA!I've got a few more cycles of both DNP and gear before I would attempt it,lol...

 

[Andy13]

I think ECA may be very beneficial on DNP.. I'd even go as far as to say *synergystic*

Did you do cardio at all?

Hmm 5'11'' 230... You are one big boy.. How many AAS cycles have you done? How long have you been training?

Andy

 

[Riker29]

GREAT POST HUCK. THANKS.

I posted my low-dose experience a while back:

Click here to read it.

I was only able to go 21 days before the heat, and plans in my life which did mot mix well with sweating my ass off, go the best of me and I had to stop.

Huck - Just WAIT for the gains AFTER. When the muscles fill back up, its a blast. I shaved off a few lbs of fat, and during days 3-10 after the cycle ended, I seemed to pack on some real mass.

Its interesting to read your experinces. There was a lot of theory going around that at 200 mg/day, a person would not really feel the sides. But IO think that is proving to actuyally be rare based on reports I have seen and personal experience.

I had similar experiences in terms of strength and stamina. I really dont think I lost much at all in terms of strength, although I have trained myself so well mentally that even when I feel like shit I can access just about every ounce of available power (its mental condidtioning on top of physical training). But stamina wise, like having energy thgroughout the day, I just was drained after about 10 days even at the low dose.

It will be intersting to hear how things look for you like 2 weeks after your cycle ended. I'll bet the wieght goes back up - but in a good way.

Thanks again for the time and effort to write this all up. I think we are creating a very good body of theorhetical and actual experimental knowledge which should help to imprive everyone's knowledge of how best to use DNP.

 

[NinjaX]

this was a great one!

 

[macrophage69alpha]

ANDY,
tempting but not a good Idea
unless you are taking high doses of arimidex with test- the introduction of high levels of aromatics will lead to increased A2 related fat stores.

Post DNP- Non- aromatics are best, or careful use of test with appropriate amounts of arimidex.

 

[Andy13]

ANDY,
tempting but not a good Idea
unless you are taking high doses of arimidex with test- the introduction of high levels of aromatics will lead to increased A2 related fat stores.

Post DNP- Non- aromatics are best, or careful use of test with appropriate amounts of arimidex.

I am not familiar with this. Can you elaborate?

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

I think ECA may be very beneficial on DNP.. I'd even go as far as to say *synergystic*

Did you do cardio at all?

Hmm 5'11'' 230... You are one big boy.. How many AAS cycles have you done? How long have you been training?

Andy

E/C/A + DNP it is then,next cycle...I did not do one lick of cardio the entire time...I've got some good size,now I just have a nice layer of blubbler to strip off to expose it...I've always had a propensity towards holding on to bodyfat,so staying lean is a struggle for me...Somewhere between an endomorph and mesomorph,with the endo qualities being much more stubborn,lol...I've done too many cycles to even count.Pretty much tried just about anything at one time or another,haha...

 

[VarixBro]

Congrats Huckleberry!

Once I return from my trip, Im going to start a 30 day on/8 day off cycle of DNP. My goal is to just lose fat while maintaining MOST of my muscle mass. I could work it out so that I can still lose a good amount of fat, and still gain muscle, but my fat ass (well, as of now, im at 15.5% and prolly hit 16% by the time my vacation is over) needs to lose some fat. Im hoping to hit a record low of 4% within a few months from now (at least my X-Mas at the most). Im going to keep track of all my calories, do some cardio,etc.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Keep us posted on your progress varixbro...I f*ckin'love DNP,haha...

 

[rnch]

dnp IS the shit!!!!! it has given me the bf loss that more conventional methods could not.

 

[VarixBro]

Here is an email I sent to someone not that long ago, it's my little theory on DNP. Basically, I think doing DNP for 30 days in a row with dieting and training is BETTER than doing 7 days on, 7 days off for ONE MONTH in terms of fat loss. Oh, and DNP rulez! Can't wait to try after I finish this damn trip.

Here it is below:

>1 Month of DNP at 200mg or 2mg/kg
>--------------------------------
>
>Fat loss on diet without drugs = 1.5lbs per week
>1.5x4=6lbs of fat
>
>Add an extra pound of fat loss each (200mg per day of DNP for 30 days) and
>you
>get a GRAND total of 10lbs
>
>
><<<VS>>>>
>
>1 week on/1 week off of DNP at 4mg/kg
>---------------------------------------
>
>Fat loss on diet for a week at 1.5lbs without drugs
>
>Add an extra 2lbs of 400mg of DNP and you get a total 3.5 lbs per week
>
>On the following 2nd week, let's say that you don't gain any fat, nor lose
>any.
>You do back to back cycles within a month and you get a total of 7lbs of fat
>loss.
>
>
>Conclusion
>-------------
>30 days of 200mg of DNP+Diet=10lbs
>14 days (7 on/7 off day cycles) of 400mg of DNP+Diet=7bs

 

[TxLonghorn]

<sigh> I guess someone should put the obligatory, 'All you idiots using bugspray are killing yourselves.'

I am totally sick and tired of hearing how dnp will kill you dead. I am also sick of 'reports' from jackasses who have zero self-control, go out drinking, don't rehydrate ever, work outside, and pop dnp like m&m's that state how dangerous dnp is. And how there were no warning signs. No warning signs? You were passed out drunk, what did you expect?

Whatever.

*****

Varix, whatever happened to your dnp post you were gonna write ages ago? I waited and waited...and then cried when you stood me up, lol.

As for your calculations about dnp, I have read several dnp cycles where the person lost a pound/day from high dose dnp. So I still think the FASTEST way is the high dose, 7 day cycle. But I would think this would only be an option for someone under a serious time constraint (and weddings don't count). By that, I mean they have a bodybuilding show in 3 weeks, and they need to lose the fat pronto.

 

[VarixBro]

Oh, yeah..I remember when I worte that first post.
Sorry about all those delays, I was caught up in a world of shit during that time. One poster even PMed and asked me "when the hell you gonna finish your post, I see that you are always on!" The thing was, I was living with my roommate and we both shared the same comp. I would never "LOGOUT" and he would use the computer when i was not around.

Anyway, there isn't much a magical secret. It's really basic. What I did was combine what Lyle McDonald (who is THE Guru of nutrition, dieting) said...what Dan Duchaine said and the experiments I tested on my subjects (along with visiting the boards)

What WORKS FOR ME for the FASTEST, is to do 600mgs of DNP per day for several days in a row, and take a day or two off (depending if I still FEEL way too hot).
Basically, just take a high dose of DNP...and when you feel WAY too shitty, get off the shit for a day or two. Repeat cycle for a few weeks.

Dieting, 10 cals/lb is what works for me (and what I noticed Lyle McDonald likes to use). Let's say I weigh 200lbs, I just eat 4 meals at 500 cals each. Here are some 500 calorie meals:

2 McDonald Hamburgers=500 cals

1 can of Tuna, 2 tbspn of Ranch Dressing, 2 slice of light bread, 1 cup of skim milk=approx 500 cals

2 scoops of protein powder, 1 cup of skim milk, half cup of ice cream=approx 500 cals

That's basically all I do. I might go to McDonalds twice a day, have a tuna sandwhich and a protein/ice cream shake and that's it.

For training, I would do cardio at 6.0 on the treadmill for 45 minutes, 5 times a week.

Supplements: I hate Ephedrine and caffeine on a normal diet, but on DNP I LOVE IT! I think Duchaine said it's great on DNP, something having to do with it being insulin resistant or some shit. I forgot. Plus, DNP DOESN'T mobilize free fatty acids, it just burns em. Ephedrine and caffeine MOBILIZE free fatty acids, DNP burns em.

So do the EC stack 3-5 times a day WHILE on DNP.

So let's say Im competing in a contest, I would do something like this:

Days 1-6: DNP at 600mg, cardio, ISO diet at 10 cal/lb.
Day 7: Get off DNP, have a cheat day, but not TOO wild.

Days 7-11: Back on DNP at 600mg, add more cardio, keep diet the same.

Days 12-17: GET OFF DNP, Keep dieting, reduce cardio or do it mild, focus on weight training

Days 18-19: Do 2 day carb up (controlled, you don't want to spill more water than necessary) with some mild weight training to allow full glycogen supercompensattion

Days: 20-Till competition date: Eat a low carb diet, but don't weigt train so that you can maintain full glycogen.


That's what I would do, but everyone has their own way of carbing up, carbing down prior to a contest.

Personally, I find it nearly impossible to lose a pound of fat per day (I have yet to see it on myself, and several people I know that do DNP based on skin caliper readings). Then again, I have never done dosages above 600mg per day, so there might be something to it.

After I try the low dose cycle, Ill give Andy13's theory a shot. I will do this in the fall where it's cool.


In conclusion for max fat loss:

Do a STRICT DIET, and keep cals at 10 x your bodyweight. Make sure you eat at least close to a gram of protein per pound of bodyweight. YOu may want to consider taking EFA's like Fish Oil, which is the best EFA in terms of losing bodyfat. Do cardio, I think doing cardio on DNP is BETTER than just reducing calories. Do high dose cycles of DNP with a small break in between.
For example, you may want to try 600mg for 3 days on, 1 day off and repeat that for a month. Ive tried that before, it was hell, but I went from having a flabby stomach (where you can stick your hand under my belly and watch it jiggle) to having a '6 pack.' I wasn't ripped by bodybuilding standards, but I was damn lean.

One of the reasons I want to do a low dose cycle of DNP cuz I live in a climate where it averages between 105-110 during peak sun hours. During the winter time, Ill do the high cycle DNP stuff. You WILL feel like shit though, I mean, almost to the point where you just dont give a shit about anything. It sucks.

One more thing i want to mention, I did get a bit better results when adding Triax towards the end of my cycle, but I have done without it so it's all good either way. I would only do this for a month at the most, and take at least 10 days off with a 2-3 day carb up before attempting this again.

 

[TxLonghorn]

Thank you Varix. Bunches.

And as far as Lyle McDonald and Duchaine go, I totally agree. They really played off each other well and they really knew their shit.

I haven't seen much by Lyle lately, but then I really don't hit cyberpump or misc.fitness.weights. He used to contribute heavily to the lowcarb-l list, but that ended awhile ago. That list has gone downhill so fast, it's sad. I finally, after years of belonging to it, unsubscribed.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

pluses to Crystal.

With further research into smaller more frequent doses, it may actually become easier to control systemic levels of DNP

for instance
25mg caps at 6 times a day.....

 

[Cornellius]

pluses to Crystal.

With further research into smaller more frequent doses, it may actually become easier to control systemic levels of DNP

for instance
25mg caps at 6 times a day.....

Shure, but if so, why not going with the powder instead?? I mean, the only diference between crystal and powder is release time right? So, if we split crystal thru the day it would be like trying to mimic powder.

 

[VarixBro]

Yeah, ever since Lyle left the low carb list went down hill. Most of the people there seem to be the typical 'mainstream' lowcarb types, and I could care less about that. Lyle is busy writing a book at the moment, and he still posts at Misc.fitness.weights. One thing I loved about Lyle was that he was very articulate with his nutrition and training. He knows EXACTLY how many calories he is eating, etc. Plus, he is one of the few people that actually reports on their bodyfat tests.

Oh yeah, one thing I forgot to mention. I 'might' take some Pyruvate and CLA (for repartioning advantages so that I will minimze fat gains when IM off DNP) when I take a week off from DNP.

 

[smokinghawk]

What about weightlifting on DNP? I've heard a lot of you guys mention cardio, but what happens to your weight training? Can you still squat heavy, or do you do light weights, higher reps just to incinerate the calories like mad?

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Keep sets and overall training time very limited,as your ATP stores are already zeroed out.The goal should be light maintenance of your LBM.

 

[justwannagetsum]

Isnt DNP extermel harmful to your bocy? ou are basicall injesting a free radical that interferes with action in the mitochondria making enrgy inefficient., What about other cell damage? I bet ALA would help reduce the danger!

 

[DEI]

that is a good question, I'd like to know too.

 

[bigrand]

I dont think that DNP reacts with cells on the genetic level. If im correct, it draws oxygen (which is basically a free radical btw) out of the ETC stoping the production of some 32 ATP. Body compensates by burning other sources of glucose e.g. WAT. There is an entropy release which leads to temp increase. DNP is also not carcinogenic, it passed the AMES test.

 

[Pat Mycroch]

That's interesting but if oxygen is drawn out of the ETC wouldn't the glucose turn into lactic acid through fermentation. In which case it would increase muscular endurance through the body's adaption to use lactic acid more efficiently.
Very interesting.

 

[CycloneHWT]

That's interesting but if oxygen is drawn out of the ETC wouldn't the glucose turn into lactic acid through fermentation. In which case it would increase muscular endurance through the body's adaption to use lactic acid more efficiently.
Very interesting.

if that were the case it would also lead to less muscle soreness due to using the lactic acid more efficiently and not letting it build up??

Cyclone

 

[smokinghawk]

I dont think that DNP reacts with cells on the genetic level. If im correct, it draws oxygen (which is basically a free radical btw) out of the ETC stoping the production of some 32 ATP. Body compensates by burning other sources of glucose e.g. WAT. There is an entropy release which leads to temp increase. DNP is also not carcinogenic, it passed the AMES test.

I am SO relieved to hear that AMES test news! I've searched everywhere for this kind of info...where did you find this out?

I knew usnic acid was AMES negative, but hadn't heard this about DNP.

 

[bigrand]

Pat and Cyclone, dont quote me on that shit, i havent gone over uncoupling of the ETC in a VERY long time. Ill have to go looki tup to clarify it. But is some how inhibits the creation of those ATP produced in the ETC. As far as the AMES test, i only found 1 study and i dont have the link for it. But it was AMES negative.

 

[Golfer18--old]

Bump

 

[Andy13]

That's interesting but if oxygen is drawn out of the ETC wouldn't the glucose turn into lactic acid through fermentation. In which case it would increase muscular endurance through the body's adaption to use lactic acid more efficiently.
Very interesting.

It's not nearly as severe as you might think... Oxygen is not the limiting factor when it comes to DNP. Actually, the vast majority of a cells ATP is still synthesized via ETC... DNP just makes this a tad inefficient.

Andy