HRT question

[Smokescreen]

Guys, maybe some of you don't know this, but I am on HRT. Doc has me on GH and Androgel. I hate the androgel. Why? Because I live in the south of hell!!! So I"m always in the shower. That damn androgel only stays on me for a matter of hours. Either the water washes it away or sweat does. He's got me on 15mg's per day. That's 450mg's of Test for $50 a month!!! Doesn't seem worth it huh? So I have a couple of questions here. I obvisouly could save money if I just buy my own test and inject the shit myself. If I needed a steady dose of 15mg's of Test per day. What Test injectable should I get? And how often to inject? Somebody told me that all I would need were just 2 amps of Sust per month. That would come out to $20 a month and not $50 a month. That I would have to inject only every 2 weeks. Any comments on this???? Also, lowering SHBG is always good. Should I stick to 1 tab of Proviron per day along with my HRT? Or switch to something more natural? HCG??? A little here and there with my HRT? Adex???? A little here and there with my HRT?

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Guys, maybe some of you don't know this, but I am on HRT. Doc has me on GH and Androgel. I hate the androgel. Why? Because I live in the south of hell!!! So I"m always in the shower. That damn androgel only stays on me for a matter of hours. Either the water washes it away or sweat does. He's got me on 15mg's per day. That's 450mg's of Test for $50 a month!!! Doesn't seem worth it huh? So I have a couple of questions here. I obvisouly could save money if I just buy my own test and inject the shit myself. If I needed a steady dose of 15mg's of Test per day. What Test injectable should I get? And how often to inject? Somebody told me that all I would need were just 2 amps of Sust per month. That would come out to $20 a month and not $50 a month. That I would have to inject only every 2 weeks. Any comments on this???? Also, lowering SHBG is always good. Should I stick to 1 tab of Proviron per day along with my HRT? Or switch to something more natural? HCG??? A little here and there with my HRT? Adex???? A little here and there with my HRT?

Have him give you weekly doses of test cyp. You'll find most people on HRT use around 250 - 300mg test enan every 5 days or so. Some add 200mg/week of NPP or deca or primo.

 

[Smokescreen]

Bro! that is fucking cycle! LMFAO!!! Your kidding right? And let me guess...add some Adrol at 100mg's per day too right?

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Bro! that is fucking cycle! LMFAO!!! Your kidding right? And let me guess...add some Adrol at 100mg's per day too right?

No, I'm not kidding. They use deca for joints. Most docs will give you 100mg/week of test cyp which may or may not be enough for you. Everyone reacts differently.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

ON another note, check out the Masters board on here. You'll find some older guys who are on HRT and ask them.

 

[casualbb]

I've been looking into HRT a lot recently.

Here's the skinny:

When using androgel, most of it goes into your skin within 1-2 hours, where it then acts as a reservoir of andro for the rest of the day. Then you can sweat/shower/swim/sex/etc without worry.

An average HRT dosage in weekly injection is 100-200 mg's test cyp. The doses SSS quoted are indeed steroidal and will probably damage your long-term health.

 

[Smokescreen]

I've been looking into HRT a lot recently.

Here's the skinny:

When using androgel, most of it goes into your skin within 1-2 hours, where it then acts as a reservoir of andro for the rest of the day. Then you can sweat/shower/swim/sex/etc without worry.

An average HRT dosage in weekly injection is 100-200 mg's test cyp. The doses SSS quoted are indeed steroidal and will probably damage your long-term health.

I don't understand what your saying. Are you saying that 15mg's of Androgel per day won't damage my health? But 15mg's per day of cypionate will???

 

[georgie24]

he's talking about high dose 300-400mg per week of aas

 

[easy]

I'm on 100 mgs/e5days and I'm 29( I don't think thats old). Anyway, my doc wanted to put me on the gel but I told him that I didn't want to take the chance of any rubbibg off on my kids and messing them up. My daughter is 2 and has to be held all the time so I wasn't lieing to him but I really just wanted the inj. Anyway, If you qualify for HRT then he shouldn't have a prob writing you a script for cyp.

 

[geoboy]

I don't understand what your saying. Are you saying that 15mg's of Androgel per day won't damage my health? But 15mg's per day of cypionate will???

the actual effective blood level yeild from the androgel is not 1:1, its pretty low. so to get equiv of 100 mg test cyp, it takes lots more of androgel dosing. i think its like 7:1 or 10:1.

 

[Smokescreen]

So do you guys think 100mg's a week of cyp is good? How about sustanon?

 

[nsashbl01]

Carth, contact Dr. John at allthingsmale.com He's a good guy who's not going to prescribe a cycle, but will manage your hrt. Some guys get away with as low as 80mg a week co cyp. I need 100mg. Also go to sculptedbyiron , there is a good hrt forum there. Btw, doing anything other deca for hrt is not hrt. It's steroid use. Which I'm not condoning, but will not be a life long solution. Good luck.....

 

[Smokescreen]

First off, thank you very much for helping me. I truly appreicate that a lot. But honestly FUCK Dr. John. I spoke to him and realized that he's just in this shit for the money. Doesn't give a rats ass and to be frank with you...looks like I know just as much as him. And it wouldn't help me going with him. I'll just be spending a WHOLE LOT MORE MONEY!!! So to hell with him. Trust me, there a few members here that agree with me. Others don't...and these are usually the younger guys. How is Deca an HRT drug? The body is not producing enough androgens. Deca is not the right choice to add in there bro. Need test...bottomline!

 

[jonny jacked]

my doc gives me 300mg test. cyp per month. I get a 10ml bottle 100mg/ml - every time I need a new one. I do the injections myself. the nurse always hurts me - and not in a good way!

 

[CLOMIDCLOWN]

I dont reallu understand how dr john is in it for the money. He charges reasonable rates and if you have insurance, this pays for the drugs, unlike other doctors on this board who use compounding pharmacies in which you must submit for reimbursement to the insurance company after you bought.

Anyway, here is the link for the trt board that NSASHB101 mentioned:trt

I highly recommend you read the article entittled HRT: A RECIPE FOR SUCCESS.

It talks about everything from dosages (start at 100mg test cyp and evaluate at a month or androgel at 5mg a day and evaluate in 2 weekss), to hcg ( a more powerful drug than originally thought) which is used the two days prior to next injection as this is when test levels are at lowest and you tend to get that "burned out feeling" at somewhere around 250-300 iu, to anti e's such as arimidex which are added last after all blood value levels are normal, AND you tell the doc that you feel better (subjective report such as : increased sex drive, more erections, increased appetite ect).

I hope this helps even if you dont like the doc!

Feel free to PM me with any questions!

 

[CLOMIDCLOWN]

Oh and deca has absolutely no place in trt whatsoever.
CARTH- i forgot to mention dosages of test cyp every week are in the range of 100-300mg

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I've been looking into HRT a lot recently.

Here's the skinny:

When using androgel, most of it goes into your skin within 1-2 hours, where it then acts as a reservoir of andro for the rest of the day. Then you can sweat/shower/swim/sex/etc without worry.

An average HRT dosage in weekly injection is 100-200 mg's test cyp. The doses SSS quoted are indeed steroidal and will probably damage your long-term health.

Androgel has approximately 10% or so absorption rate. I was doing 15mg/day and only had a test level of barely over 300 on a "normal" scale of 300 - 1200. At 100mg/week of test cyp I hung on around 425ish. If you want to really feel like shit have those kinds of levels. Some doctors will attempt to keep you in the 800 - 900ish range although it may take them several months to get your dosage adjusted to that range.

Anti-aging clinics have another protocol all together, but their primary purpose in life is to make massive amounts of money in as quick a time as possible.

The levels I quoted you are from asking many men (<100) who are doing one form or another of HRT or anti-aging or self dosing with blood work. There are a lot of things that will "probably" damage one's long term health. Like lack of testoterone in a male. Oh wait, that's not probably that is positively.

It doesn't take a lot of work to find the men on this board who are on TRT and ask them what they're doing. Most of th em also cycle off their "base" levels and have good information about that as well.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=320299&page=1&pp=20
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=325617&page=2&pp=20
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=325194

I'll see if I can refind a link to a study done on men using up to 600mg/week of test. The PSA levels were just barely above their readings at their start and had some level of HDL depression, but not in the danger range.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

First off, thank you very much for helping me. I truly appreicate that a lot. But honestly FUCK Dr. John. I spoke to him and realized that he's just in this shit for the money. Doesn't give a rats ass and to be frank with you...looks like I know just as much as him. And it wouldn't help me going with him. I'll just be spending a WHOLE LOT MORE MONEY!!! So to hell with him. Trust me, there a few members here that agree with me. Others don't...and these are usually the younger guys. How is Deca an HRT drug? The body is not producing enough androgens. Deca is not the right choice to add in there bro. Need test...bottomline!

Deca isn't considered a HRT drug in most protocols for hypogonadism. You'll find some HRT doctors and anti-aging clinics who will prescribe deca in small doses to aid with joint issues.

 

[DIVISION]

RU dying to lift or lifting to die?

Guys, maybe some of you don't know this, but I am on HRT. Doc has me on GH and Androgel. I hate the androgel. Why? Because I live in the south of hell!!! So I"m always in the shower. That damn androgel only stays on me for a matter of hours. Either the water washes it away or sweat does. He's got me on 15mg's per day. That's 450mg's of Test for $50 a month!!!

Fuck that Androgel........tell your doc you want something else, either Testosterone Tabs or another oral. If he doesn't do it, drop him and use another. Doctors are there to serve you, not themselves while they collect your bankroll. It's up to you do demand a solution that you are satisfied with.

Don't leave it up to a doc, it's your body.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

So do you guys think 100mg's a week of cyp is good? How about sustanon?

The way you'll find out is through bloodwork, just like the doctor will. Most doctors start out at 100mg/week of test cyp. Then will do bloodwork after approximately 5 - 6 weeks. If your levels aren't up there, they'll bump dosage.

Some HRT doctors won't even start you out on test, but will instead hit you with a HCG dosage to see if it will kick your testes into producing as they should, then do bloodwork to see if they maintain the levels and then decide on a test dosing.

My first injectible for HRT was Testoviron. I don't recall anyone prescribing sustanon though.

 

[DIVISION]

Re: RU dying to lift or lifting to die?

Fuck that Androgel........tell your doc you want something else, either Testosterone Tabs or another oral. If he doesn't do it, drop him and use another. Doctors are there to serve you, not themselves while they collect your bankroll. It's up to you do demand a solution that you are satisfied with.

Don't leave it up to a doc, it's your body.

You need to demand a better HRT program!

 

[casualbb]

SSS... I guess I misunderstood your post. 100-200 does it for most guys but there are bound to be outliers that need more. My point was, that if one were absolutely set on self-administering HRT one should start at the moderate dosages.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

SSS... I guess I misunderstood your post. 100-200 does it for most guys but there are bound to be outliers that need more. My point was, that if one were absolutely set on self-administering HRT one should start at the moderate dosages.

Absolutely. One should start at 100mg test cyp or enan per week. Wait 4 - 6 weeks and do blood work. Then see how to adjust it from there. If someone is self administering they shoud do bloodwork for their own protection...

 

[Smokescreen]

I dont reallu understand how dr john is in it for the money. He charges reasonable rates and if you have insurance, this pays for the drugs, unlike other doctors on this board who use compounding pharmacies in which you must submit for reimbursement to the insurance company after you bought.

Anyway, here is the link for the trt board that NSASHB101 mentioned:trt

I highly recommend you read the article entittled HRT: A RECIPE FOR SUCCESS.

It talks about everything from dosages (start at 100mg test cyp and evaluate at a month or androgel at 5mg a day and evaluate in 2 weekss), to hcg ( a more powerful drug than originally thought) which is used the two days prior to next injection as this is when test levels are at lowest and you tend to get that "burned out feeling" at somewhere around 250-300 iu, to anti e's such as arimidex which are added last after all blood value levels are normal, AND you tell the doc that you feel better (subjective report such as : increased sex drive, more erections, increased appetite ect).

I hope this helps even if you dont like the doc!

Feel free to PM me with any questions!

I will def. read this later tonight or tomorrow. good looking out! I'll let you know what I'll finally do and as to why.

 

[bigmusclehead]

I don't understand what your saying. Are you saying that 15mg's of Androgel per day won't damage my health? But 15mg's per day of cypionate will???

hey bud the world health organization has stated that 150-300mg of test cyp or enthanate is considered a low and safe protocol they use this for male birth control in germany 300mg-500mg is considered moderate amd 700mg-1000mg is considered high.

 

[Smokescreen]

I dont reallu understand how dr john is in it for the money. He charges reasonable rates and if you have insurance, this pays for the drugs, unlike other doctors on this board who use compounding pharmacies in which you must submit for reimbursement to the insurance company after you bought.

Anyway, here is the link for the trt board that NSASHB101 mentioned:trt

I highly recommend you read the article entittled HRT: A RECIPE FOR SUCCESS.

It talks about everything from dosages (start at 100mg test cyp and evaluate at a month or androgel at 5mg a day and evaluate in 2 weekss), to hcg ( a more powerful drug than originally thought) which is used the two days prior to next injection as this is when test levels are at lowest and you tend to get that "burned out feeling" at somewhere around 250-300 iu, to anti e's such as arimidex which are added last after all blood value levels are normal, AND you tell the doc that you feel better (subjective report such as : increased sex drive, more erections, increased appetite ect).

I hope this helps even if you dont like the doc!

Feel free to PM me with any questions!

Read it and wasn't all too impressed. sorry! :-( but good read though. I posted this on the master forum. Let's see what they say. Thanks clomidclown.