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ALIN
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SOLID2 said:
i think TRT is a great idea for older man with good PSA range. MANY, MANY health benefits to correct TRT.
stressman13
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id like to know the effects of HRT on sterility for younger men. Many say that HCG works alot of the time but i'd like to know for sure. It would be a big deal for many people who want to have kids and can't, its not a minor issue.
r1 said:
I don't mean to take anyone's business away, and I apologize if there's a personal interest here, but I just don't understand these places. $110 for 10mls of 200 mgs of T is comparable to what it would cost if you had insurence. But there's a fee to be diagnosed and to get the scripts, correct? So why not just go to a regular doc? Dexx is avaialable legally through many anti aging sites with no script for the same price. Thyroid would be prescribed if needed and it's dirt cheap at the drug store. And the vials of HC G are 10,000 iu's?!? That's like 9000 more than you need. (Or could use before it goes bad). I just don't get the need, unless of course you're really not elligable and are willing to spend top dollar for a script for human gear.
No personal interest here, bro. I've been through the HRT wringer and Dr John's protocol is finally what worked for me. It's also very well spelled out and includes in depth lab work (and reasoning behind). In short, I send people there because it saves me from having to type it all. 
Dr John's protocol has been well received by 2 of the 3 endos that I've seen...it is sure WAY better than trying to convince your doc that "this thing I read on the Internet" is smarter than what he/she wants to do. When they see intelligent stuff from another doc that is published, SOME will actually listen.
I've been on a variety of different insurance plans over the last 5 years or so and they all cover injectible T-estosterone. Co-pay is usually $10-$20, but some guys either don't want to hassle with it or don't have the insurance.
I have yet to see any pharm grade H CG that comes in anything smaller than 10,000 iu. It's dosed that way for fertility treatment, so yeah, we waste a ton of it, but you don't need much to get the benefits.
I self-treated for awhile, but if you have insurance and a cooperative doc, that is really the best way to go. There will never be questions about the quality of what you're getting, the necessary lab work can get done (if needed) and you won't be paying out of pocket. Win-win...unfortunately, not that easy to find.
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Dr John's protocol has been well received by 2 of the 3 endos that I've seen...it is sure WAY better than trying to convince your doc that "this thing I read on the Internet" is smarter than what he/she wants to do. When they see intelligent stuff from another doc that is published, SOME will actually listen.I've been on a variety of different insurance plans over the last 5 years or so and they all cover injectible T-estosterone. Co-pay is usually $10-$20, but some guys either don't want to hassle with it or don't have the insurance.
I have yet to see any pharm grade H CG that comes in anything smaller than 10,000 iu. It's dosed that way for fertility treatment, so yeah, we waste a ton of it, but you don't need much to get the benefits.
I self-treated for awhile, but if you have insurance and a cooperative doc, that is really the best way to go. There will never be questions about the quality of what you're getting, the necessary lab work can get done (if needed) and you won't be paying out of pocket. Win-win...unfortunately, not that easy to find.
R1
i have a cooperative doc that can take the bloodwork and do what i need.. i am just wondering if i go on what could i expect short term and long term and if it is worth going on like that.. what else besides test should i look for? just needing some good help here to understand from you guys that are on what to really be aware of i guess.. thanks
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Anthony Roberts
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I wouldn't waste my time with "All Things Male" when there's doctors who are around that are much better.
The doctor behind "All things Male" was formerly a moderator on MesoRx, who was removed from his staff position for mental instability. I'd avoid him.
Here's a much better alternative:
http://www.renami.com/
The doctor behind "All things Male" was formerly a moderator on MesoRx, who was removed from his staff position for mental instability. I'd avoid him.
Here's a much better alternative:
http://www.renami.com/
Anthony Roberts said:
AR: I remember your run-ins with Dr John. I will concede that he can be difficult to get along with. Some of what went down on meso had me shaking my head, too.
However, his contributions to Men's Health simply cannot be ignored.
I am not a patient of Dr John, but my doc follows his protocol because it works...and it works damn well. His "Recipe for Success" contains a ton of great info that I consider "HRT 101" for people who are new to it or are considering it.
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r1 said:No personal interest here, bro. I've been through the HRT wringer and Dr John's protocol is finally what worked for me. It's also very well spelled out and includes in depth lab work (and reasoning behind). In short, I send people there because it saves me from having to type it all.
I've been on a variety of different insurance plans over the last 5 years or so and they all cover injectible T-estosterone. Co-pay is usually $10-$20, but some guys either don't want to hassle with it or don't have the insurance.
I have yet to see any pharm grade H CG that comes in anything smaller than 10,000 iu. It's dosed that way for fertility treatment, so yeah, we waste a ton of it, but you don't need much to get the benefits.
I self-treated for awhile, but if you have insurance and a cooperative doc, that is really the best way to go. There will never be questions about the quality of what you're getting, the necessary lab work can get done (if needed) and you won't be paying out of pocket. Win-win...unfortunately, not that easy to find.
R1
Gotcha. But at the same time, finding a personal doc to write the script is always best and not too hard to get if you're really hypo. As for human grade H CG not being under 10,000, that's incorrect. Did Dr. John tell you that? Pregnyl comes in 1500 i.u.
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Anthony Roberts
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Dr.John was replaced on Meso with another HRT doc, Dr.Scally, whose has authored literaly dozens of published medical studies, and has worked with Nelson Vergel and other top names in the industry. In fact, although I haven't read it, Dr.Scally's PCT protocol has been republished in at least one book about anabolic steroids, and last time I checked, Dr.John's only article on Meso was pulled off the articles list.
Honestly, I think Dr.John is one of the most mediocre minds in the industry, and his track record seems to support that thought. I would reccomend staying far, far away from him.
Honestly, I think Dr.John is one of the most mediocre minds in the industry, and his track record seems to support that thought. I would reccomend staying far, far away from him.
Triple J
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one of the things they are doing these days is implanting testosterone pellets. these provide about a six month time released steady daily dose. but it requires a dcotor visit, an incision, etc.
also, there is a company working on a different type of injection, too, that would be longer lasting than regular cypionate or enanthate.
also, there is a company working on a different type of injection, too, that would be longer lasting than regular cypionate or enanthate.
Some guys seem to love the pellets, others had nothing but problems with them. When my husband read about the process it gave him the willies. He's happy with the shot ... so darned happy the doctor had to scale him back to once every ten days, in fact, his levels were over 1200Triple J said:
musclemom said:Some guys seem to love the pellets, others had nothing but problems with them. When my husband read about the process it gave him the willies. He's happy with the shot ... so darned happy the doctor had to scale him back to once every ten days, in fact, his levels were over 1200
Yeah, I don't trust that the pellet will release evenly. A 10 second shot once a week is not a big deal.
Nelson: No...my 10,000 iu HCG statement came from me trying both Novarel and Profasi over the last few years. It was always 10,000 iu no matter which pharmacy I went to. I will have to check into that 1500 iu Pregnyl. I pay for HCG out of pocket (about $50/month), so if the Pregnyl is cheaper (hopefully it is...you're only getting 1/6th as much!), that might be a great option. Thanks for the tip.
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