HPTA Shutdown

[spank]

Clomid seems to be the top choice to avoid this.

How does 1mg ed of arimidex compare to clomid for this particular issue. My research has led me to believe that arimidex or liquidex increases free testoterone. I of course would love to use arimidex instead of clomid for it's anti-estrogen and general anti-bloat effects if it also will prevent natural testosterone shutdown after a cycle.

Questions:

Are either of these enough to prevent the potential HPTA shutdown of a light cycle or a heavy cycle?

I did run a search on the board in an attempt to avoid asking a question already asked, but I didn't get a clear answer to this specific question.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

You are correct in your thinking.Arimidex will raise free and total testosterone levels,as well as follicle stimulating hormone levels when used post cycle.The best route would be to stack both arimidex and clomid simultaniosly post cycle.This would not only maximize LH/endogenous T production,but also prevent the typical estradiol rebound that normally occurs when androgen levels plummet...

 

[MadMachine]

Well, here's the deal. When you increase the level of androgens in your system, your body will still cut back on LHRH production, even if you do use an anti estrogen. However, there is the grand advantage of avoiding estrogen buildup that can delay post cycle recovery by using arimidex throughout the cycle and after.

If you are concerned with the fastest recovery possible I suggest using HCG and arimidex throughout the cycle. The HCG will keep your testes responsive to LH hormones (which is something that may be delayed for some time, even after normal LH production has resumed), and the arimidex will prevent the estrogen problems often associated with HCG. Then continue to use arimidex for a week or two following your cycle, along with ever decreasing amount of HCG (since most drugs need at least 2 weeks to clear your system), drop the HCG, and add Clomid and proviron (sp?) to the arimidex.

Some guys are more prone to HPTA shutdown then others.... but this will work across the board in my humble opinion.

 

[serge]

Mad and Huck got it right on

 

[jakethemus]

Could someone give an example of what doses of clomid and arimidex are ideal and for how long after the cycle ?

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Clomid should be ran like this:
Day-1)300mgs(2 tabs every 4-5 hours).This will ramp up blood levels of the drug to invoke an immediate therapeutic impact,one that would normally be achieved only after several consecutive days of use.
Days-2-12)100mgs/day
Days-13-21)50mgs/day
Day-22)DONE.

The arimidex should be started on the same day as clomid,and should be ran a week past it.1/2mg to 1 mg daily will be sufficient to keep the aromitase enzyme in check while clomid does it's job at the hypothalamus/pituitary regions...

 

[jakethemus]

Thanks Huck!

 

[liftsiron]

Thank You Huck.

 

[spank]

Thanks for the info Mad and Huck.

A couple more for you:

What are your opinions on clomid for an anvar only cycle? This was something being debated in another thread.

What effects on sex drive and test levels will be seen if clomid is not used on an anvar only cycle? How long can I expect before recovery and will I lose my gains (for an anavar only cycle, just to be clear)?

 

[MadMachine]

Well in my opinion (and while I don't have the distinction of being a mod like Huck, or an enormous post count), I think your asking a question nobody could answer. Here is why.

For me, even the smallest amount of androgen will shut down my HPTA quickly, while others it takes some time, and with others it doesn't happen at all for some reason (can you say, LUCKY!). Also, I take a long time to recover post cycle, but using the above mentioned HCG/ clomid arimidex and proviron (sp?) plan I have been able to reduce the time needed.

Anavar only cycle? Well it will cause HPTA shutdown in most people, so blocking estrogen post cycle with clomid would be to your advantage in most cases, unless your a lucky person with a stong HPTA axis.

Huck, just out of curiosity, do you not think that using arimidex throughout the entire cycle would be somewhat advantagous to prevent an enormous buildup of estrogen in the Hypo.? I would think this would just lead to a more pronouced shutdown, and hinder recovery time periods. What's your view on that?

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

From what I've seen from an endocrinoligical standpoint,oxandrolone seems to be only partially inhibitive at dosages up to 25mgs/day,but as madmitch stated,there is no way to pen down a number,as individual response will certainly vary widely.Mad mitch,that is excellent thinking,and I would say you're on the right track-The less circulating estrogen/up-regulation of aromitase,the faster the recovery process will be post cycle...