How works in the US the layoff system?

[ismaele00]

As some of you know, I'm at Law School here in Spain. In a few months I'll be doing a course in the Columbia University (in the City of New York)...

Well the fact is that all of you know the situation that is living Europe with the crisis, and specially Spain, probably the most injured country...
These days our politicians have approved a new labor law with the aim of fix our unemployment problem... and there is a huge debate about the "flexibility" of the labor layoff (you know that in the European social system, you can't get fired without a compensation, it doesn't matter how long, how much, where or when do you work).

I've always read about the low unemployment in the US, usually between the 7-10%... but now that I'm able to, I'd like to know from people who live and work in the US how really it works?

What would happen if tomorrow you go to your job and your boss says that you're fired?

Thanks guys.

 

[timtim]

As some of you know, I'm at Law School here in Spain. In a few months I'll be doing a course in the Columbia University (in the City of New York)...

Well the fact is that all of you know the situation that is living Europe with the crisis, and specially Spain, probably the most injured country...
These days our politicians have approved a new labor law with the aim of fix our unemployment problem... and there is a huge debate about the "flexibility" of the labor layoff (you know that in the European social system, you can't get fired without a compensation, it doesn't matter how long, how much, where or when do you work).

I've always read about the low unemployment in the US, usually between the 7-10%... but now that I'm able to, I'd like to know from people who live and work in the US how really it works?

What would happen if tomorrow you go to your job and your boss says that you're fired?

Thanks guys.

fucking spinning round house kick that cunt. follow that up with a flying knee drop to the skull. then whip out my baby maker and piss on his, or her's, face.



really, depends on how long you were working at the company, reasons for being let go, etc. you'd call the unemployment office and file for unemployment benefits. if you get ok'ed, you collect for a specific amount of time.

 

[mistaballoonhands]

I'd get hired by someone else before the ink dries.

 

[ismaele00]

I'd get hired by someone else before the ink dries.

That's what I think, if you could get fired without any compensation, you'll be hired much more easily... but, aren't there abuses by the owners?

I mean, if I can fired you easily, couldn't I menace you with something like: "if you don't work much hours for the same money I'll fired you"?

This is the main idea why in Europe we think that the compensations are necessary, to avoid this kind of situations.

Thanks for your answers guys.

 

[lartinos]

That's what I think, if you could get fired without any compensation, you'll be hired much more easily... but, aren't there abuses by the owners?

I mean, if I can fired you easily, couldn't I menace you with something like: "if you don't work much hours for the same money I'll fired you"?

This is the main idea why in Europe we think that the compensations are necessary, to avoid this kind of situations.

Thanks for your answers guys.

He was just talking about himself because he is a Doctor.
I don't even have a boss, so I am in a different situation too.
But here in the US you apply for it, if you were fired I'm pretty sure you can get it.
Someone who is collecting or has collected should answer this.
It is supposed to be for a limited time here, but many take advantage.

 

[mrplunkey]

We have employees in the US, Europe and Latin America (even a few in Asia).

I'll explain the differences when I'm back on a computer at my desk.

 

[mrplunkey]

Here's the Cliff's notes version:

1) It's easier to fire someone in the US than in Europe. In some US states, they are considered "employment at will" which is even easier to fire someone.

2) While you can still sue (you can sue a ham sandwitch in the US), it's easier if you can claim discrimination or retaliation -- over 40, female, gay, disabled, vietnam veteran, minority, etc. etc. And that list is growing by the day. Fairly soon they'll classify obesity as a medical disablity and then you'll have to hire a certain number of fat people or get sued.

3) So in tough times, it's easier for employers to squeeze employees to work longer or harder. But that cuts both ways. When the economy grows, employees start getting benefits piled onto them. Plus making people easier to fire creates a fluidity of positions that make promotions easier to find.

So here's the bottom line: If you want to cling to a job and hide, do it in a European economy (or canada, especially Quebec). If you want upward mobility and opportunity and don't necessarily want to wait for your boss to die, do it in an American economoy.

P.S. The US employment market is looking more and more like Europe. With the US getting worse and Europe trying to fix their mess, the distinction won't last more than another 10 years regardless.

 

[youpissmeoff]

I have worked with laws in the US, Europe and Asia. Much easier to hire and fire in the US, hence why employment tends to be so low. Both Europe and where I worked in SE Asia, have statutory severance packages some that kick in immediately. In those countries, you will take on an employee for months, maybe even years before you hire them as an employee.

In the US, bring them on, they fuck up, let them go. In that regard, US labor market is much more elastic and employment and, over the long haul, unemployment will be lower.

I understand Spain unemployment is just terrible - depression numbers really. Would have to think labor laws contribute to a big portion of that.

 

[ismaele00]

Thanks guys, much more clear now.

Spain makes major changes to labor system- Los Angeles Times

 

[ismaele00]

Here's the Cliff's notes version:

1) It's easier to fire someone in the US than in Europe. In some US states, they are considered "employment at will" which is even easier to fire someone.

2) While you can still sue (you can sue a ham sandwitch in the US), it's easier if you can claim discrimination or retaliation -- over 40, female, gay, disabled, vietnam veteran, minority, etc. etc. And that list is growing by the day. Fairly soon they'll classify obesity as a medical disablity and then you'll have to hire a certain number of fat people or get sued.

3) So in tough times, it's easier for employers to squeeze employees to work longer or harder. But that cuts both ways. When the economy grows, employees start getting benefits piled onto them. Plus making people easier to fire creates a fluidity of positions that make promotions easier to find.

So here's the bottom line: If you want to cling to a job and hide, do it in a European economy (or canada, especially Quebec). If you want upward mobility and opportunity and don't necessarily want to wait for your boss to die, do it in an American economoy.

P.S. The US employment market is looking more and more like Europe. With the US getting worse and Europe trying to fix their mess, the distinction won't last more than another 10 years regardless.

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