How Not to Gain Fat While Eating Carbs

[SuperVixen]

We all love them but an excess of carbs puts the fat on us faster than anything else. So, what to do?

Well, again, I quote Dan Duchaine's Dirty Dieting Newsletters....

Here's what you do:

Daily Dosages of the following:

Hydroxycitric acid (aka Citrimax) 750 mg to 1.5 mg three times a day, 30 min before you eat.

take clen or an eca stack

take Vanadyl Sulfate (120mg day- can break up the dosages) or better yet get some Metformin ( aka Glucophage) at 2g day.

take Magneesum 1 g

Chromium Picolinate 800 mcg

Lopid 600 mg 2x day

Whew, that's alot of drugs to combat all those carbs. Wouldn't't it be easier if you just ate in moderation? But hey sometimes when you just gotta fall off the wagon, attend a special event, go on vacation for a few days, etc. these drugs will help to reduce the resulting weight gain.

 

[magdelana]

SV, i think that much of what that fellow says is either outdated ideas or just simply wrong. This sillyness from him does not surprise me.

 

[NY Muscle]

SV, i think that much of what that fellow says is either outdated ideas or just simply wrong. This sillyness from him does not surprise me.

Actually Dan was 100% RIGHT in his recommendations...the only things that have changed is maybe higher doses..

never doubt the man.... DD rules.

 

[Susp's_Babe]

hmm - good info I guess but to me it sounds like a lot to keep track of! I think I'll stick with watching what carbs I eat.

 

[SheHuLK]

it sounds like a lot to keep track of! I think I'll stick with watching what carbs I eat.

i totally agree... thats way too much all at once. it would be much more trouble to keep track of all that, than to just watch my carbs

 

[magdelana]

I think perhaps my first comment on this thread was not clear.

I do not argue that what Dan said does not work. I expect that it would work. However, i called it sillyness because it is taking such a long complecated route to do a rather simple thing.

As the other ladies commented i feel it would be obviously the smarter and simplier thing to do to just consume fewer calories each day then you use.

 

[b fold the truth]

I love my carbs...yet I am still fat...lol

Ok...gonna take my Doritos to bed with me now...

B True

 

[SuperVixen]

This list of drugs can be especially useful to a competitive bodybuilder (such as myself) or anyone following a carb cycle diet. On the carb up days if you go a little overboard this plan will keep your diet in check. Yes, it's alot of drugs to keep up with but if you compete it's nothing out of the norm.

As for the validity of Dan Duchaine's work, if you are not a scientist don't criticize what you don't know about. As a biochemist and a medical professional myself, I can tell you that Dan's methods are based on how the body works. That does not change or get outdated. The only thing that could be outdated is the drugs he says to use and dosages. New, safer and better drugs may be available as substitutes today. Some of Dan's ideas are radical and dangerous but they do work. You decide for yourself which risks you are willing to take for the body you want.

I recommend anyone interested read the dirty dieting newsletters at qfac.com

Best Regards,
SV

 

[magdelana]

As for the validity of Dan Duchaine's work, if you are not a scientist don't criticize what you don't know about. As a biochemist and a medical professional myself, I can tell you that Dan's methods are based on how the body works. Some of Dan's ideas are radical and dangerous but they do work. You decide for yourself which risks you are willing to take for the body you want.

SV i do not agree that a person needs to be a scientist in order to criticise nutrition advice or training methods. Only one or two people on this board would be qualified to ever critcise anything using your criteria.

As for me i am 33 and have trained for 16 years. I have built a LBM of 170 pounds by hard training and intelligent nutrition. I have tried many of the ideas that Dan mentioned and i have known truly dozens of other women who have also used them.
It is from this experience not formal education that i make my comments.

If you read my second comment you will see that i did not say that his advice would not work.

That does not change or get outdated. The only thing that could be outdated is the drugs he says to use and dosages. New, safer and better drugs may be available as substitutes today.

No one will agrue that the basic functioning of the body changes. However, as a medical professional you know that we learn new things about the body frequently, and we discover new drugs and learn more about older ones all the time. It is in this way that some of his advice is aging poorly. Most of this advice seems to be about 7-10 years old.

Personally, i have found Vandyl Sufate AND Chromium Picolonate to be bascially ineffective to do anything. Also albuteral is becoming rather popular as a superior substiute for clenbuteral. Less CNS agitation with the same weight loss benefits. I liked it much better then clen.

 

[NY Muscle]

However, i called it sillyness because it is taking such a long complecated route to do a rather simple thing.

You mean like people who juice to gain muscle and/or lose fat?

Interesting.....

 

[MS]

If this is for only occassionally when you fall off the wagon, why not just simplify the recipe and shove a few grams of ALA down your throat instead??? However, if you're eating a chronic high carb diet then all of those things may be beneficial to keep the fat off (but I would still throw in some ALA as well).

 

[SteelWeaver]

Alright, I am now thoroughly confused about ALA. I've followed a few of the threads on it, and as far as I can tell, the only time one should really use ALA, or other nutrient partitioning agents, is when you're doing a high-carb refeed on a calorically-reduced diet, or, possibly, when trying to get into ketosis, but not after that.

Taking it on a chronic high-carb diet (do you mean hypercaloric?) forces glycogen into fat stores, too, or something along those lines, I thought, and there's no point in increasing insulin sensitivity when on low carbs because you're already insulin-sensitive, right?

I think a bunch of too many threads on this just got jumbled in my head. Anyway, that list is only for the days you mess up on a hypocaloric diet?

 

[MS]

The bottom line is that most of the glucose lowering agents will only assist you if you are insulin resistant to some degree. Many people may be chronically insulin resistant as are many BBs on high calorie, high carbohydrate diets, especially when combined with AAS/hGH etc....High fat diets also promote short term insulin resistance. However if you are on a classi cutting diet that's low in fats, moderate in low GI carbs and high in lean protein then your insulin sensitivity is likely to be perfect on a day to day basis.

Otherwise some of those drugs (vanadium is the classic example) actually INCREASE insulin resistance if you've already got normal sensitivity. ALA is almost certainly safe to take year round, but as an overall antioxidant rather than a glucose disposal agent if you are otherwise normal.

Overall if you 'fall off the wagon' for one meal/event, you really don't need to worry. If you're going on holiday or something that's gonna be longer than one or two meals then you should consider taking glucose disposal agents. There was an article I posted a little while ago that hinted that drugs similar to metformin may one day be used (prophylactically) for life extension purposes by keeping glycogen levels high while keeping insulin levels down. This is for folks that can't otheriwse stick to a low GI diet........