How much Testosterone will cause a shut down?

[Smokescreen]

I have a little cousin of mine that is going to take Androgel. The girl that is selling it to him says that he should put it on his nut sack because the absorbtion of the drug is much better when put there. At what daily mg's of testosterone will a shut down occur? He said he wants to go to the max that he can but one step behind the daily dosage of causing a major shut down.

 

[muscleup]

well it is generally believed if you go beyond what your body produces then shut down will occur...I think the average male produces about 75-100 mgs per weeks of test....100 being on the high end

 

[Ulter]

He won't be able to put enough on to shut down.
Transdermal administration results in roughly 30-40% into your blood, and the gel causes a spike that diminishes quickly within a short time. So unless he's applying it like body lotion, 3 times a day, he has nothing to worry about.

 

[lostlazy]

The gels suck. Get some prop.

 

[DrJMW]

Even low doses of AAS can suppress the testosterone levels. Blood testing will definitely confirm. Do baseline testosterone level testing and LH testing. Then repeat the tests in about six weeks after starting the gel and using continuously. You will see your testosterone levels go up from the exogenous testos and your LH go down as a result of the pituitary shutdown. How much and how long depends on the meds, dosages and frequencies.

 

[genarr3]

Stop using the term "Shut down". It is incorrect. "Suppression" is what you're asking. Any amount of synthetic testosterone will cause some suppression.

 

[Smokescreen]

Your right. Suppression.

 

[nadr7891]

Stop using the term "Shut down". It is incorrect. "Suppression" is what you're asking. Any amount of synthetic testosterone will cause some suppression.

word.
the more exogenous test administered, the more suppression that occurs and everyone is different. there's no magic formula.

i've thought about this quite a bit. wouldn't it be great if you could figure out, or graph, how much test you were taking against how much suppression, or natural test you were still producing and come up with a "perfect" dosage that would still allow you to have higher-than-normal test levels while your body continued to produce enough of its own test to keep your balls normal and endocrine system functioning?

i know, i have too much time on my hands. i'll leave now.

Nadr

 

[Vítor Rage]

There are some studies that calims that even more important that the amount of test is the time of the expose of exogenous test.
That theory of short cycles to prevent hard supression.

 

[twistedneck]

HRT pacients on this board know this ansewer. Some guys with naturally low test, on the order of 200 ng/dl say that even the slightest bit of exogeneous T will cause their balls to shrink. so anything at all will start to supress. just like DrJMW said.

 

[genarr3]

There are some studies that calims that even more important that the amount of test is the time of the expose of exogenous test.
That theory of short cycles to prevent hard supression.

Strickly from cycling experience I tend to believe this theory. I've noticed on more then one occasion that after about week 5 - 6 gains slow to almost none.

I may go the short cycle route in the future, but right now all I have on hand are long acting compounds.

 

[nadr7891]

Strickly from cycling experience I tend to believe this theory. I've noticed on more then one occasion that after about week 5 - 6 gains slow to almost none.

I may go the short cycle route in the future, but right now all I have on hand are long acting compounds.

you can use long-acting compounds in short cycles. it gives a natural taper.

Nadr

 

[Mandinka2]

The girl that is selling it to him says that he should put it on his nut sack because the absorbtion of the drug is much better when put there.

She's taking the piss man... or you are

 

[concordsize]

While I feel that gains may ease up after 6-8 weeks I also feel that the longer you are on the more your gains can be keept. So in a sence you are damned if you do and damned it you dont.

E

 

[jacshelb]

Concordsize, could you explain that to me? Why would more gains be kept the longer you are on? Wouldn't you just be shut down harder and take longer to recover? Honestly, just curious. No disrespect.


Jacob

 

[zziggzzigg]

It is hard to say exactly what is going on scientifically, but I have gone both routes and my advice is don't waste your time on short cycles. I don't know if it the fact that the body 'resets' some of its stasis points when it 'gets used to' being larger for a longer period of time, but any short cycle I did there was still some recovery time and the body found its way back to where I started from eventually. I also think that those of us that have a hard time getting large (true ectomorphs) will find it hard to maintain higher than natural amounts of muscle without gear in the long run. Once you hit your peak naturally, trying to maintain more is like a struggle with your body that wants to maintain less. I think alot of the people that maintain there gains without gear might have been able to achieve those gains without gear in the first place, maybe just not as rapidly.

These are my 'real world' thoughts on the subject anyway, not gospel.