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Heath82
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wtf? you seriously want to give your woman testoserone? hmmm, lets see here... why not a gram a week? then in a few months she will have a clit big enough to fuck you in the ass!
Don't go there, too strong, even 1/10 of a ml at that potency is too much.
Be aware that if you were to go ahead, at even doses as low as 5 mg a week (I'm talking subcutaneously or topically, not orals) taken over a long enough period of time (several weeks/months), side effect could include: her hair thinning, sprouting new facial/body hair (not a lot, but a few new hairs for sure), her voice might drop a pinch. Mood swings (more like serious short tempered-ness that comes suddenly, that usually clears within the first six weeks or so). Her sex drive would probably go up, her clit might swell a little (temporary), she may even become multiorgasmic if she isn't already (again, temporary, with the hormone increase) but her body might overall thicken (permanently) too, particularly if she's lifting. She might gain weight (in both fat and muscle) she'll almost definitely hold a shitload of water.
If she's really serious and you're up for it PM me, I'll give you a few ideas. Women respond better to a topical application and there are ways you could produce a safe product for a woman.
Be aware that if you were to go ahead, at even doses as low as 5 mg a week (I'm talking subcutaneously or topically, not orals) taken over a long enough period of time (several weeks/months), side effect could include: her hair thinning, sprouting new facial/body hair (not a lot, but a few new hairs for sure), her voice might drop a pinch. Mood swings (more like serious short tempered-ness that comes suddenly, that usually clears within the first six weeks or so). Her sex drive would probably go up, her clit might swell a little (temporary), she may even become multiorgasmic if she isn't already (again, temporary, with the hormone increase) but her body might overall thicken (permanently) too, particularly if she's lifting. She might gain weight (in both fat and muscle) she'll almost definitely hold a shitload of water.
If she's really serious and you're up for it PM me, I'll give you a few ideas. Women respond better to a topical application and there are ways you could produce a safe product for a woman.
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ALIN
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Whats your wifes goals? dose she currently train? diet??
DJ_UFO
Banned
Common guys yall don't need to answer that rough! lol There is nothing wrong with a girl with elevated testosterone, as long as is not having androgenic effects. In this case, like it was said before, cypionate will not be a good idea for her. Being a long ester, it will be too hard for her to control androgenic effects. If it is for training purposes, var is more recommended. Now if it is only for curiosity, cyp is not a good idea to play with. It it was prop, could be. She would be horny as a bull in mating season.
This would get better replies in here I'd imagine.
Like everyone said so far no test. Why are you thinking of giving it to her anyways?
it's what i take and only take, thus why she wanted to try it because it is available we don't plan on buying anything , she was just curious to see what would happen. maybe a certain sense of euphoria, upped sex drive, things like that and mind u this would be a minute dose just a couple of times to see what would happen and don't worry, i do not take offense to a couple of idiots comments who make up for their lack of penis size in their ignorant and unfounded statements.
Ok so this what could happen with as little as 20mg 1/10 of what you were thinking. Her voice could drop, she could grow facial hair, could have an inlarged clit, could have increased sex drive, could have increased strength, could cause mood swings. So with out any real specific goal for he I would strongly say a hells no. If your looking for something for the sex drive give her a viagra a lot safer then test if your just looking for a one time trial.
heavy_duty
New member
If you want to make your wife horny, try this:
-do the dishes
-do all the laundry fold it and put it away
-clean the bathrooms
-mop the floors
-vacuum the whole house
-make dinner
-help the kids with their home-work
*note* you got to do all the above on the same day.
that night she'll be ready for you!
-do the dishes
-do all the laundry fold it and put it away
-clean the bathrooms
-mop the floors
-vacuum the whole house
-make dinner
-help the kids with their home-work
*note* you got to do all the above on the same day.
that night she'll be ready for you!
sorry if I'm wrong here but don't docs regularly prescribe cyp .25 q/monthly for women with low levels of test, based on general standards westeren medicine?
Never heard that in my life. I know they will prescribe topical test but that is a very low dose and topical test doesn't have a great absorption rate. For men I believe HRT is like 250 mg pre month.
bblazer
Banned
First off, whatever size penis the guys have that whacked you over the head with their answers has nothing to do with them being correct or incorrect with their statements.
In fact, they were right. Sorry you didn't like the delivery method.
Due to a hysterectomy ant a young age, my wife is on HRT. She uses a compounded mix that among other hormones contains 3mg of test. This is delivered by Troche (sot of a lozenge) 1/day in the evening. She has had no virilization effects from that dose.
Test cyp plasma levels peak in 24-48 hours and then begin a very slow downward taper over 14 days. If you hit her with that, she could possible be dealing with some sides for quite a while.
B-
In fact, they were right. Sorry you didn't like the delivery method.
Due to a hysterectomy ant a young age, my wife is on HRT. She uses a compounded mix that among other hormones contains 3mg of test. This is delivered by Troche (sot of a lozenge) 1/day in the evening. She has had no virilization effects from that dose.
Test cyp plasma levels peak in 24-48 hours and then begin a very slow downward taper over 14 days. If you hit her with that, she could possible be dealing with some sides for quite a while.
B-
Might want to change that to HE might be dealing with sides for a while. Did anyone see the 60 min show with the woman who became a man through test injections and then her girlfriend and she decided to have a kid. I think they said that woman/man was only taking 10mg/wk of test and she grew a beard! I can't remember the exact mg?
The guys name is Thomas Beatie and it was 100mg of test per week from what I recall on 20/20.
heavy_duty
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Tatyana
Elite Mentor
No it isn't.
While HRT with oestradiol and progestins is common, giving women testosterone is still quite new and there are very few medical studies.
Most are related to much older women with osteoporosis and renal failure.
I would have her hormone levels done first before you decide to do use any steroids.
I am sure I also read a paper that the increase in sex drive including testosterone in HRT is a bit hit and miss.
Female libido is not the same thing as a man's, it has only been studied for about thirty years and there are still a lot of uncertainties.
Not everyone will have the same response, for example, there are people who do not respond to aspirin.
Just be careful.
uh, yes it is but u are right about the time frame, 30 years here in the U.S. but we are far behind places like europe and as i stated before, checking your levels is one thing, serum levels is just one way, what about saliva testing and our we talking HRT or BIO-HRT, cause prescribing progestins would not be my choice, people have progesterone deficiency should have progesterone with E2 and E3 if need be, progestins are synthetic we don't produce progestins in our bodys, i would not prescribe those in most cases AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS OLDER WOMEN, it's women of child bearing age and E1,2,3 have only been around for 20-30 years as well.
true people respond differently but i was just curious what would happen, would it be harmful for a couple of shots....
true people respond differently but i was just curious what would happen, would it be harmful for a couple of shots....
bw1
Banned
Here's a good read posted by realgains:
My wife and I have been doing a great deal of research on injectable steroids for the ladies. Thanks goes out to the steroid researchers Bill Llewellyn, Bill Roberts and also board members Warlobo, HuckleberryFinaplix, Daeo, Ann, Iron Queen, MS, and many others.
WHO SHOULD DO INJECTABLES
Ladies that have tried at least one mild oral steroid and now wish to add more mass to their bodies.
RISKS
The chances of contracting side effect, and potential virilization, are higher with injectables than with anavar. Anavar is the mildest steroid for ladies without a doubt...too bad it is not in an injectable form.
Most common sides seen with the ladies are as follows and in no particular order. Some negatives can also be positives as you will note below
NEGATIVE SIDES......Ance, oily skin, clitoral enlargement beyond minimal, aggression, hair loss..male style, hair growth especially on upper lip and chin, hair loss, darkened hair growth, quickened hair growth on legs and arms, lowering of voice tone, distruption of normal menstral cycle, aggression.
MOST COMMON NEGATIVE SIDES
Oily skin, some hair growth, a little acne, some alteration in normal menstral cycle, minimal voice tone lowering, darkening body hair
PRECURSER TO VOICE LOWERING
If you get a squeaky voice, hoarse throat or voice, scratchy thoat, raspy throat or voice, a cough, or any ache in the throat then stop the steroid immediately as these are common warning signs of voice alterations
PERMANENT NEGATIVE SIDES
Voice lowering may improve immediately after a cycle A LITTLE but will NEVER return to normal. Some girls are affected minimally and still sound like a women and others end up sounding like a man if they continue with the steroid. Clit growth remains...androgenic swelling goes away but the GROWTH remains. Some long time and heavy users have grown a little penis(TRUE!)
POSITIVE SIDES
Feelings of well being, increased energy, decreased recovery time, aggression, heightened sex drive with small amount of clit enlargement, Muscle gain, strength gain, some reports of decreases in estrogenic fat ie"upper legs, butt, upper arms, abdomen.
PERMANENT POSITIVE SIDES
Mass and strength will largely remain IF you train and eat properly post cycle. Better sex, due to clit growth, but sex DRIVE returns to normal except for the possible increase in sex drive as a result of heightened enjoyment.
NOTE:
Ladies normally do not see an alteration in total serum cholesterol and hdl levels due to the fact that minimal doses are used. This is a big deal as this is the worst side in men IMO.
Hair loss, if any, is very minimal due to small doses.
Your voice will surely lower, in time, and sooner than later, if you go above 50mg of ANY injectable per week. It may even lower on 50mg/week or less in 4-6weeks but it is not that common.
INJECTABLE CHOICE
Pure anabolics vs androgenic anabolics.
IMO there are only two injectables that are nearly pure anabolics and they are nandrolone and primobolin. They are somewhat androgenic but one could classify them as anabolics.
The more androgenic the hormone the greater are your chances for sides including virilization, but the greater your chances are for great muscle growth. The most androgenic hormones are Test and Tren and then perhaps winny, although some would disagree with me on the winny.
PRIMO.
Used by many ladies as it, along with nandrolone, is probably the least androgenic roid. CAREFUL....primo is in the long acting ester enenthate and it clears slowly. Many ladies have experienced very bad sides from this roid due to the fact that they take too much per week (above 50-75mg). INJECTABLE primo is not our drug of choice because it is long acting and if sides come on that you don't like then you have to ride them out until the roid clears your system and by the time it does permamnent sides may have set in. Daeo's wife had a bad experience with primo.
If you start low you shouldn't have too much trouble, if any, IMO as it is quite mild androgenically. Just remember though that it will not give quick muscle gains at all. The gains seen are usually quality muscle built at a slow steady rate. If more and quicker gains are needed then I would recommend Nandrolone.
WARNING. Primobolin is faked all the time so you better know your source VERY well or you may get test cyp or another cheaper compound! All 50mg ampules are safe as none have yet to be duplicated . Greek primo is safe. They are in a clear glass ampule and printed with green lettering and are 100mg/ml. Be sure to look for the Greek ID sticker on its box just in case. Turkish Primo is safe as well.
Schering has recently altered the look of their Spanish 100mg amps. They now have clear glass with a paper label and three rings on the amp tip, one is yellow and two red. Fakes have a larger than normal blue dot on the amp head.....get help from from someone that has used Primo before for identification purposes.
Nandrolone Phenylpropionate
Realgains #1 choice for the serious liften female!
Bill Llewellyn's first choice for ladies as he feels it is the injectable with the least androgenic affects, and that includes Primo. Vikingwife did 20mg every three days with no sides except increased sex drive. There is at least one other women on the board that loves nandrolone very much. Will give better muscle gains than primo.
Durabolin is an excellent choice. Hayrian Biologicals makes a high quality Nandrolone phenylprop that is cheaper than durabolin and come in 100mg/ml 2ml vials. Nandrolone Decanate is not recommended as a first time choice as it is a very long acting ester.
Personally Realgains thinks that this roid in the Phenylprop ester would give the best gains to least sides ratio. It is superior to primo due to its short acting nature and its better muscle building properties.
nandrolone is the easiest at the scalp and causes the least hair loss of all steroids so if female thinning runs in your family then perhaps this roid is best for you.
Personally Realgains thinks that this roid would soon become more popular than Primo if it was more readily available. Availability is picking up however!
Boldenone undecylenate (EQ)
About as potent as nandrolone but is not recommended for a first time cycle as it is in a long acting ester. Ttokkyo labs produce a good cheap product.
May be slightly more androgenic than nandrolone but will give no better gains than nandrolone.
Winstol
As wilth men the ladies either love winny or hate it. I can't explain this but it is true.
We do not like winny although many ladies do. Winny is less androgenic than test but more than Primo and probably nandrolone too.
I have heard too many negative reports on the harshness of winny especially as it relates to lowering the voice. This could be dose related as winny is not as androgenic as test....yet females may respond differently. Use the winny with small particle size so you can inject with a 27guage pin. Do no more than 70mg per week and less is best. The best Winny IMO are made by Zambon ES,I 1ml amps. Another good source and cheaper is made by Ttokkyo labs. These are the only ones that you can both trust and that also have small enough crystals that will inject through a 27 guage pin. Do not trust any other European or American product as they are highly faked.
Testosterone
Not a foreign compound to the female body. Small amounts are produced in the ovaries and adrenal glands.
. Not overly androgenic IN SMALL DOSES, although it is more androgenic than any roid listed(Tren may be just as bad or worse) Test gives the best muscle and strength gains. Gives sence of well being and energy more so than the others, increases sex drive more so than the others.
Many many ladies love to use low dose test. Daeo's wife has had good experiences with test and he has written much about this on the forum. Warlobo's wife also liked test as have others.
Testosterone Propionate is recommended for two reasons. Firstly it has a short half life so it will clear your system quickly after you stop should sides come on that do not agree with you. Secondly it is not as highly faked as test Cypionate or enanthate.
Brovel makes a pretty decent product at 100mg/ml. This is a favorite of Quadsweep "The Voice of Reason"
Virormone by Ferring is probably the best available however.
I doubt that there is a pro, or near pro, that doesn't use test a fair bit.
Very cheap for a female cycle, especially if you switch to test cyp in the 10cc vails, after you find the dose of test that you can tolerate.
Trenbolone acetate.
Some ladies do use this very powerful roid but we DO NOT recommend it. Tren is more powerful per mg than any other steroid and as such accurate tiny does are hard to measure. It is at least as androgenic as test and maybe more so IMO.
If you do use it then use VERY little and never more than 25mg per week.
ESTERS AND DOSE SCHEDULES.
An ester is a compound made up of hydrogen and carbon atoms. They are added to pure steroids or testosterone in order to slow the release of the active agent. Some esters have a short chain of hydrogen and carbon and others have longer chains. The longer the chain the longer the time release of the steroid.
Prop is a short ester and Decanate is a long chain ester.
NOTE: 50mg of nandrolne in a phenylprop ester has more actual steroid than 50mg of nandrolone in the decanate ester as some of the 50mg weight is taken up by the longer ester. THE DIFFERENCE IS MINIMAL! Never let anyone tell you that one type of steroid is more powerful than another type of the same steroid. These are myths . There is a myth that test Cyp is more powerful than test enanthate and this is a myth. In actuality the enanthate ester has one less carbon atom and 50 mg of the test will have a tiny amount more test than 50mg of cyp.
HOW TO DOSE.
Most conservative.....Inject 50 mg of steroid or testosterone once and then let it completely clear the system. ie: Test prop 50mg then wait a week before doing another injection. OR...Test Cyp 50mg and then wait for two weeks before injecting again. This system will give you some results and is very safe in regard to sides.
The next method is recommended by Bill Llewellyn and others. In this system one injects a dose and then lets it partially clear the system. It is thought that this clearance will not allow androgens to build up over time which of course can cause sides and virilization. This sytem will give better results and liitle sides. Examples are 25- 50mg test prop every 5-7 days or 50mg of test cyp every 10 days. This system is favored by huckleberryFinaplix and Realgains.
The last system will give best results. This system is favored by many and requires injecting AT LEAST as frequently as a male.
In this system you try to inject at least twice per half life. This keeps hormone spikes to a minimum. These more even blood levels result in better gains. There is also some evidence to suggest that spiking hormone levels cause more sides.
Here is an example of this system...Test prop 15mg every second day or 20 mg every third day. Also test cyp 20-25 mg twice per week or every forth day at most.
I believe Warlobo and Daeo favor this system.
If you are a top level competitor then this is the system for you.
DURATION
Simply put the longer you are "on" the greater are your chances for virilization. An 8 week cycle is a good start. latter cycles can be longer once you get a feel for the hormone. A long low dose cycle of 12 weeks or more can be great.
DOSE PER 7 DAYS!!
Testosterone 25-50mg
Primo 50-75mg
Winny 50-70 mg 7-10mg per day INJECT DAILY for best results
Nandrolone 25-60mg
EQ 25-60mg
These doses will give you great gains with little chance of serious sides. If you are top level competitor then obviously these doses are quite moderate. I would not recommend any women go much above these doses unless they are darn serious about being competitive!
PINS
You must use an insulin syringe in order to get an accurate dose.
You can use a 27 gauge hypo to inject since you will be injecting very little and the insulin syringe, being tiny, gives great injection power. With a 27 pin you won't feel a thing. Remember to rotate injection sites...upper outer glute/hip and outer thigh.
STACKING
We do not recommend that you use more than one hormone at a time unless your are a top competitor. If you do stack your voice will almost certainly lower and other sides will be worse.
If you MUST stack than we would recommend using a small dose of anavar with the injectable at perhaps 10mg per day, 5mg in the am and 5 mg in the pm.
Diet
While trying to increase mass while on injectables you must increase your protein intake to about 2 grams per pound of body weight. If you do not do this then your gains will be likely be less . I recommend a good low fat whey protein shake betwee three regular meals. Some people seem to get great gains with less but it is safer to go higher. Caloric intake also needs to go and the increased protein intake will help.
You can get good strength gains ,and some muscle gain, while on anavar, and not eat that much in the way of protein or calories, but this is not the case when trying to build some serious muscle.
LAST NOTE
If you are a naturally muscular mesomorphic female that needs to shave her legs frequently then you may wish to stick to the mild orals such as primo and anavar as you will be more prone to sides. Sometimes the slightly built that are hairless to nearly hairless can get away with more steroid use without much in the way of sides if doses are kept reasonable.
Best of luck to you all and keep us posted.
Realgains and Amy
My wife and I have been doing a great deal of research on injectable steroids for the ladies. Thanks goes out to the steroid researchers Bill Llewellyn, Bill Roberts and also board members Warlobo, HuckleberryFinaplix, Daeo, Ann, Iron Queen, MS, and many others.
WHO SHOULD DO INJECTABLES
Ladies that have tried at least one mild oral steroid and now wish to add more mass to their bodies.
RISKS
The chances of contracting side effect, and potential virilization, are higher with injectables than with anavar. Anavar is the mildest steroid for ladies without a doubt...too bad it is not in an injectable form.
Most common sides seen with the ladies are as follows and in no particular order. Some negatives can also be positives as you will note below
NEGATIVE SIDES......Ance, oily skin, clitoral enlargement beyond minimal, aggression, hair loss..male style, hair growth especially on upper lip and chin, hair loss, darkened hair growth, quickened hair growth on legs and arms, lowering of voice tone, distruption of normal menstral cycle, aggression.
MOST COMMON NEGATIVE SIDES
Oily skin, some hair growth, a little acne, some alteration in normal menstral cycle, minimal voice tone lowering, darkening body hair
PRECURSER TO VOICE LOWERING
If you get a squeaky voice, hoarse throat or voice, scratchy thoat, raspy throat or voice, a cough, or any ache in the throat then stop the steroid immediately as these are common warning signs of voice alterations
PERMANENT NEGATIVE SIDES
Voice lowering may improve immediately after a cycle A LITTLE but will NEVER return to normal. Some girls are affected minimally and still sound like a women and others end up sounding like a man if they continue with the steroid. Clit growth remains...androgenic swelling goes away but the GROWTH remains. Some long time and heavy users have grown a little penis(TRUE!)
POSITIVE SIDES
Feelings of well being, increased energy, decreased recovery time, aggression, heightened sex drive with small amount of clit enlargement, Muscle gain, strength gain, some reports of decreases in estrogenic fat ie"upper legs, butt, upper arms, abdomen.
PERMANENT POSITIVE SIDES
Mass and strength will largely remain IF you train and eat properly post cycle. Better sex, due to clit growth, but sex DRIVE returns to normal except for the possible increase in sex drive as a result of heightened enjoyment.
NOTE:
Ladies normally do not see an alteration in total serum cholesterol and hdl levels due to the fact that minimal doses are used. This is a big deal as this is the worst side in men IMO.
Hair loss, if any, is very minimal due to small doses.
Your voice will surely lower, in time, and sooner than later, if you go above 50mg of ANY injectable per week. It may even lower on 50mg/week or less in 4-6weeks but it is not that common.
INJECTABLE CHOICE
Pure anabolics vs androgenic anabolics.
IMO there are only two injectables that are nearly pure anabolics and they are nandrolone and primobolin. They are somewhat androgenic but one could classify them as anabolics.
The more androgenic the hormone the greater are your chances for sides including virilization, but the greater your chances are for great muscle growth. The most androgenic hormones are Test and Tren and then perhaps winny, although some would disagree with me on the winny.
PRIMO.
Used by many ladies as it, along with nandrolone, is probably the least androgenic roid. CAREFUL....primo is in the long acting ester enenthate and it clears slowly. Many ladies have experienced very bad sides from this roid due to the fact that they take too much per week (above 50-75mg). INJECTABLE primo is not our drug of choice because it is long acting and if sides come on that you don't like then you have to ride them out until the roid clears your system and by the time it does permamnent sides may have set in. Daeo's wife had a bad experience with primo.
If you start low you shouldn't have too much trouble, if any, IMO as it is quite mild androgenically. Just remember though that it will not give quick muscle gains at all. The gains seen are usually quality muscle built at a slow steady rate. If more and quicker gains are needed then I would recommend Nandrolone.
WARNING. Primobolin is faked all the time so you better know your source VERY well or you may get test cyp or another cheaper compound! All 50mg ampules are safe as none have yet to be duplicated . Greek primo is safe. They are in a clear glass ampule and printed with green lettering and are 100mg/ml. Be sure to look for the Greek ID sticker on its box just in case. Turkish Primo is safe as well.
Schering has recently altered the look of their Spanish 100mg amps. They now have clear glass with a paper label and three rings on the amp tip, one is yellow and two red. Fakes have a larger than normal blue dot on the amp head.....get help from from someone that has used Primo before for identification purposes.
Nandrolone Phenylpropionate
Realgains #1 choice for the serious liften female!
Bill Llewellyn's first choice for ladies as he feels it is the injectable with the least androgenic affects, and that includes Primo. Vikingwife did 20mg every three days with no sides except increased sex drive. There is at least one other women on the board that loves nandrolone very much. Will give better muscle gains than primo.
Durabolin is an excellent choice. Hayrian Biologicals makes a high quality Nandrolone phenylprop that is cheaper than durabolin and come in 100mg/ml 2ml vials. Nandrolone Decanate is not recommended as a first time choice as it is a very long acting ester.
Personally Realgains thinks that this roid in the Phenylprop ester would give the best gains to least sides ratio. It is superior to primo due to its short acting nature and its better muscle building properties.
nandrolone is the easiest at the scalp and causes the least hair loss of all steroids so if female thinning runs in your family then perhaps this roid is best for you.
Personally Realgains thinks that this roid would soon become more popular than Primo if it was more readily available. Availability is picking up however!
Boldenone undecylenate (EQ)
About as potent as nandrolone but is not recommended for a first time cycle as it is in a long acting ester. Ttokkyo labs produce a good cheap product.
May be slightly more androgenic than nandrolone but will give no better gains than nandrolone.
Winstol
As wilth men the ladies either love winny or hate it. I can't explain this but it is true.
We do not like winny although many ladies do. Winny is less androgenic than test but more than Primo and probably nandrolone too.
I have heard too many negative reports on the harshness of winny especially as it relates to lowering the voice. This could be dose related as winny is not as androgenic as test....yet females may respond differently. Use the winny with small particle size so you can inject with a 27guage pin. Do no more than 70mg per week and less is best. The best Winny IMO are made by Zambon ES,I 1ml amps. Another good source and cheaper is made by Ttokkyo labs. These are the only ones that you can both trust and that also have small enough crystals that will inject through a 27 guage pin. Do not trust any other European or American product as they are highly faked.
Testosterone
Not a foreign compound to the female body. Small amounts are produced in the ovaries and adrenal glands.
. Not overly androgenic IN SMALL DOSES, although it is more androgenic than any roid listed(Tren may be just as bad or worse) Test gives the best muscle and strength gains. Gives sence of well being and energy more so than the others, increases sex drive more so than the others.
Many many ladies love to use low dose test. Daeo's wife has had good experiences with test and he has written much about this on the forum. Warlobo's wife also liked test as have others.
Testosterone Propionate is recommended for two reasons. Firstly it has a short half life so it will clear your system quickly after you stop should sides come on that do not agree with you. Secondly it is not as highly faked as test Cypionate or enanthate.
Brovel makes a pretty decent product at 100mg/ml. This is a favorite of Quadsweep "The Voice of Reason"
Virormone by Ferring is probably the best available however.
I doubt that there is a pro, or near pro, that doesn't use test a fair bit.
Very cheap for a female cycle, especially if you switch to test cyp in the 10cc vails, after you find the dose of test that you can tolerate.
Trenbolone acetate.
Some ladies do use this very powerful roid but we DO NOT recommend it. Tren is more powerful per mg than any other steroid and as such accurate tiny does are hard to measure. It is at least as androgenic as test and maybe more so IMO.
If you do use it then use VERY little and never more than 25mg per week.
ESTERS AND DOSE SCHEDULES.
An ester is a compound made up of hydrogen and carbon atoms. They are added to pure steroids or testosterone in order to slow the release of the active agent. Some esters have a short chain of hydrogen and carbon and others have longer chains. The longer the chain the longer the time release of the steroid.
Prop is a short ester and Decanate is a long chain ester.
NOTE: 50mg of nandrolne in a phenylprop ester has more actual steroid than 50mg of nandrolone in the decanate ester as some of the 50mg weight is taken up by the longer ester. THE DIFFERENCE IS MINIMAL! Never let anyone tell you that one type of steroid is more powerful than another type of the same steroid. These are myths . There is a myth that test Cyp is more powerful than test enanthate and this is a myth. In actuality the enanthate ester has one less carbon atom and 50 mg of the test will have a tiny amount more test than 50mg of cyp.
HOW TO DOSE.
Most conservative.....Inject 50 mg of steroid or testosterone once and then let it completely clear the system. ie: Test prop 50mg then wait a week before doing another injection. OR...Test Cyp 50mg and then wait for two weeks before injecting again. This system will give you some results and is very safe in regard to sides.
The next method is recommended by Bill Llewellyn and others. In this system one injects a dose and then lets it partially clear the system. It is thought that this clearance will not allow androgens to build up over time which of course can cause sides and virilization. This sytem will give better results and liitle sides. Examples are 25- 50mg test prop every 5-7 days or 50mg of test cyp every 10 days. This system is favored by huckleberryFinaplix and Realgains.
The last system will give best results. This system is favored by many and requires injecting AT LEAST as frequently as a male.
In this system you try to inject at least twice per half life. This keeps hormone spikes to a minimum. These more even blood levels result in better gains. There is also some evidence to suggest that spiking hormone levels cause more sides.
Here is an example of this system...Test prop 15mg every second day or 20 mg every third day. Also test cyp 20-25 mg twice per week or every forth day at most.
I believe Warlobo and Daeo favor this system.
If you are a top level competitor then this is the system for you.
DURATION
Simply put the longer you are "on" the greater are your chances for virilization. An 8 week cycle is a good start. latter cycles can be longer once you get a feel for the hormone. A long low dose cycle of 12 weeks or more can be great.
DOSE PER 7 DAYS!!
Testosterone 25-50mg
Primo 50-75mg
Winny 50-70 mg 7-10mg per day INJECT DAILY for best results
Nandrolone 25-60mg
EQ 25-60mg
These doses will give you great gains with little chance of serious sides. If you are top level competitor then obviously these doses are quite moderate. I would not recommend any women go much above these doses unless they are darn serious about being competitive!
PINS
You must use an insulin syringe in order to get an accurate dose.
You can use a 27 gauge hypo to inject since you will be injecting very little and the insulin syringe, being tiny, gives great injection power. With a 27 pin you won't feel a thing. Remember to rotate injection sites...upper outer glute/hip and outer thigh.
STACKING
We do not recommend that you use more than one hormone at a time unless your are a top competitor. If you do stack your voice will almost certainly lower and other sides will be worse.
If you MUST stack than we would recommend using a small dose of anavar with the injectable at perhaps 10mg per day, 5mg in the am and 5 mg in the pm.
Diet
While trying to increase mass while on injectables you must increase your protein intake to about 2 grams per pound of body weight. If you do not do this then your gains will be likely be less . I recommend a good low fat whey protein shake betwee three regular meals. Some people seem to get great gains with less but it is safer to go higher. Caloric intake also needs to go and the increased protein intake will help.
You can get good strength gains ,and some muscle gain, while on anavar, and not eat that much in the way of protein or calories, but this is not the case when trying to build some serious muscle.
LAST NOTE
If you are a naturally muscular mesomorphic female that needs to shave her legs frequently then you may wish to stick to the mild orals such as primo and anavar as you will be more prone to sides. Sometimes the slightly built that are hairless to nearly hairless can get away with more steroid use without much in the way of sides if doses are kept reasonable.
Best of luck to you all and keep us posted.
Realgains and Amy
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Heath82
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k to you for finding that one bw1. good info there
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Heath82
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i must spread karma around before giving it to bw1. lol, ill hit you soon for it
Tatyana
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Saliva testing is inaccurate as are most home hormone testing kits, I would recommend going with a certified laboratory.
It does seem that natural hormones are preferable for most women, the reason it is given with oestrogen HRT is to prevent/protect against endometrial hyperplasia and endometrial carcinoma.
Ironically, it is typically the progesterone that is responsible for the side effects that have women discontinue HRT.
There are quite a few issues surrounding testosterone replacement in women, one being that there is no agreed upon definition of of clinical androgen deficiency in women, and there are no clear cut parameters such as free testosterone.
As well, circulating free testosterone may not be a reliable indicator of androgen exposure, and measuring testosterone is reknown for being notoriously inaccurate (unless you are doing the gold standard which is very expensive and not routinely done in diagnostic laboratories), especially at the lower levels that women have.
I suppose if your wife is willing to experiment, then that is your perogative, however, remember that with multiple doses the effects/sides may be cumulative and irreversible.
i would discourage the use of test by women unless it is pharm grade---b/c the risks associated with UG labs--you never know what or how much you are injecting......the last thing she needs is what you think is 25 mgs of test turn out to be 200 mg of trenbolone!!!!!
my advice--look at the pics of Tatyana and tell me if you think if the average woman needs gear
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my advice--look at the pics of Tatyana and tell me if you think if the average woman needs gear
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