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How much protein is too much?
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swordfish151
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AZMUSCLE said:
rule of thumb go with 2g of protein per lbs
karachi183
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Hey if you can hold it down keep eating-drinkng etc...
4 shakes(70 grams of whey and water) per day????? is that correct?
does that mean this all the protein u get with 4 shakes?
with optimum whey-milk-bananas-anpb this would be close too 300 g's alone in liquid.
So if the answer is yes then yea keep drinking the shakes or swicth to a better brand!
4 shakes(70 grams of whey and water) per day????? is that correct?
does that mean this all the protein u get with 4 shakes?
with optimum whey-milk-bananas-anpb this would be close too 300 g's alone in liquid.
So if the answer is yes then yea keep drinking the shakes or swicth to a better brand!
karachi183
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AZMUSCLE said:
Not at all... You may get stomach pains in which you would just go back to where you were at...
tiggerizme
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Protein is so yummy. LOL. Drink and eat it all. I don't think it is an overkill. It's like drinking too much water.... Uh I don't think you can over kill that.
massatronic
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You can die if you drink enough water, bloats the kidney or something. A bathful though, nothing to get paranoid about.
SgtSlaughter
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It's not so much the quantity throught the day as much as the time period in which the water is consumed. It's not pleasant when experienced.massatronic said:
Hyponatremia
tiggerizme
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A bathtub full of water? Damn if you didn't die you would probably shit water for a few weeks and want to die.
LOL.
LOL.
Goldprospector
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Just be sure to eat plenty of fiber with the protien...if you cant eat enough then at least supplement it.
Taking all that protein is really just a waste of time, effort, and also money. Depending on the intensity of your workouts and how much torn muscle must be repaired, your body will use the protein it needs and the rest will be excreted/stored as fat. There is no place in the body to store excess protein.
Also, if you're not drinking enough water, and with that much protein you want to be drinking a LOT of water, you will just end up with a dysfunctional kidney. While you are young, you won't notice the effects, but as you grow older and the rate/efficiency at which your organs work decreases, kidney problems may arise. To begin with, you don't need anything more than 1g/lb./day. Maybe 1.5g at the most. 3g will do nothing extra for you. There is also a study that makes a correlation between increased protein consumption and urinary calcium excretion. This loss of calcium through urine could potentially cause problems later on (i.e. osteoporosis/degeneration). Lastly, in order to digest protein, your body requires the vitamin B6. Therefore, high levels of protein in the body will require more of this vitamin for effective digestion.
IMHO, there is such a thing as too much of a good thing. Where you're at right now seems fine, so as long as you're making gains and seeing progress, no need to change the diet.
Also, if you're not drinking enough water, and with that much protein you want to be drinking a LOT of water, you will just end up with a dysfunctional kidney. While you are young, you won't notice the effects, but as you grow older and the rate/efficiency at which your organs work decreases, kidney problems may arise. To begin with, you don't need anything more than 1g/lb./day. Maybe 1.5g at the most. 3g will do nothing extra for you. There is also a study that makes a correlation between increased protein consumption and urinary calcium excretion. This loss of calcium through urine could potentially cause problems later on (i.e. osteoporosis/degeneration). Lastly, in order to digest protein, your body requires the vitamin B6. Therefore, high levels of protein in the body will require more of this vitamin for effective digestion.
IMHO, there is such a thing as too much of a good thing. Where you're at right now seems fine, so as long as you're making gains and seeing progress, no need to change the diet.
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letsrun4it
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cyrex said:
someone in my middle school nearly died from it, on a dare to drink 2 gallons of water during lunch.
whitemahon
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mojaz87 said:
You keep doing whatever works good for you. People are going to try and tell you all kinds of scientific shit or shit that they read about in a book but it all boils down to what is actually working for you. If you are making gains and are feeling good keep on doing it the way you are doing it. I drink lots of shakes and I am stronger and look better than a lot of going by the book mother fuckers.
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Look into it a bit more and you will see that the body can only take in about 50 grams of protein per surving(3 hours each) and the rest you just piss out. Don't waste your money and time bro. the drinks i take have 51 grams of protein and i have 3 per day. PM me and i'll tell you the best (money and health wise) you can take.
Thanx
PCfuzz
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whitemahon
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mojaz87 said:
i disagree. i'll challenge you to find one case of kidney disease linked conclusively to high protien intake. your body can easily handle 2.5+ grams per lb.
i understand where you are coming from buddy, but to say that taking in more than one gram of protien per pound of bodyweight is counterproductive is simply not the case. especially when anabolics are in the mix. last i checked this is the "steroid" forum. it's true that the body can only utilize 50-60g per meal for tissue repair (depending on your size), but like everything else, this # is enhanced when on cycle.
a uber high protien diet has many distinct advantages over a more conventional approach. it will get you leaner. protien digest at a rate much slower than most carbs. this combined with its neglegable impact on insulin secretion will all but guarantee it will not be stored as fat. your body will never be deprived of amino acids, and blood glucose levels will be more stable.
i'm not suggesting everyone should consume 3+ grams/lb at the expense of total calories. i'm not suggesting that you dont know what you're talking about. i am suggesting that 1g/lb is not enough for many athletes, especially when anabolics are involved, and or you are cutting.
SgtSlaughter
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lol... some of you guys missed my post and hyperlink!sgtslaughter said:
I'll make it bigger this time.
There's the proper term and reasons.
anthony518
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I only get 1g per lb. Never 3g. You are going to have the worst kidney stones ever. That is too much whey. I always eat as much natural protein fish, chicken, tuna, ect.... Be careful. I alwyas know when I have had too much protein, I get the runs.
njmuscleguy
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PCfuzz said:
I was just going to post the same thing.... taking servings of more than 40-50 grams of protein at a time is pointless because the body can only metabolize that much in a 2-3 hour period...
AinteasybeingDiesie
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Instead of MRP's I just through 2 scoops of oatmeal in the blender with my whey scoop of penut butter & some glutamine & a multi vitaming and your set. I eat 5 good meals and have a shake right after a workout & 1 before bed.
todoveritas
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It's a misconception to think that excess protein is harmless. In too high a quantity, the byproducts of metabolism will begin to block the filtration system of the kidney and cause protein to start leaking through, resulting in proteinuria. Whether this causes kidney disease is debatable, although it definitely makes kidney disease worse. In any case, 3 gms/lb is way too much! Stick to 2 gms/pound.
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powderguy
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Oh yeah you can.... I saw a guy die in basic training by drinking too much water too fast.... Something about the sodium and potasium getting too diluted.... It is called water poisoning... Serious shit.massatronic said:
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immortalis
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vitamix said:
never read that....interesting.
I was going to mention that. I use shakes quite often in my diet because I am always on the go, but I do take a few week break from them every once in awhile to give my kidneys a break.
Excessive protein could lead to a less desireable body (to much stored as fat). It happend to me somewhat when I was getting over the 2g per pound amount. I say stick to that and make sure you are getting all food groups. Stay healthy.
karachi183
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If your diet is clean and everything else is in place any excess protein will be shit out. And as far as whey leading to kidney stones i don't think there are any reports documented on the other hand High protein diets with (real food ie: meats-dry chicken etc...) have been linked to the diets in those who developed kidney stones. And lastly carbs get stored as fat thus leading to this very debate.. JEEZ
recommending more than 2g of protein per pound of body weight is ridiculous. with the combination of aas use protein synthesis is enhanced but there is a point of diminished returns. why would someone who is 200 pounds eat 400 grams of protein? the entire body is not muscle so there are extra pounds being added into the mix that dont even require the protein intake. also, the whole equation is protein x lean body mass. without knowing your lbm you cant take in the proper amount of protein anyway. protein x total bodyweight is completely wrong.
you want good results, start with protein at 1.5 grams and see what happens. if your not happy, then go up. but make sure your increasing the right macronutrient. protein is not the only thing that builds muscle. you need the right combination of all 3 macros. before jumping one of the three through the roof, why not see if anything else is missing.
you want good results, start with protein at 1.5 grams and see what happens. if your not happy, then go up. but make sure your increasing the right macronutrient. protein is not the only thing that builds muscle. you need the right combination of all 3 macros. before jumping one of the three through the roof, why not see if anything else is missing.
karachi183
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Quad is a reputable bro!
todoveritas
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karachi183 said:
Actually, there is considerable evidence that high-protein diets lead to kidney stones. High protein intake causes hypercalciuria, a known risk factor for kidney stones. Check out: Kidney Int. 2003 Dec;64(6):2142-9.
karachi183
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todoveritas said:
I do not disagree. But as far as evidence linked to and specifically "whey protein" that is of question.
todoveritas
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karachi183 said:
I'm with you Karachi, that's a very good point. As you probably know, most studies (including the one I quoted) used casein as for its protein load and not whey. I'm of the opinion, myself, that it's not the protein, per se, that's causing the kidney stones, but disruption of the Calcium/phosphorus balance. On that note, probably a bigger risk, at least for women and high protein diet, would be the tendency towards osteoporosis.
For anyone interested, the catabolism of dietary protein generates ammonium ions and sulfates that form sulfur-containing amino acids. These compounds are then neutralized by citrate and carbonate which is catabolized from bone calcium. That's generally bad news for women.
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