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Detroitbodybuildertigers' thread, "Food for thought from a pro," has really struck a nerve with me and it seeems others on this board. The idiots and wannabe's on here who downtalk others for doing more agressive cycles are what we bodybuilders call "haters." I dumped one "friend" years ago because of this: He wanted to "get big," I got him some dbol per his request, then he found he couldn't take it due to interactions with AIDS meds he takes, the dbol made him very sick. So, what did he do--began preaching to me about not using gear. This "friend" was not concerned for my health, he was just plain jealous. And so is the case with those on this board who shoot down others for achieving goals higher than looking good for a few months to get laid at Spring Break. I am certain that the losers who make such critical posts are the same idiots getting drunk at the beach bar wearing their "Official Bikini Inspector" T-shirts, intentionally bought two sizes too small.
In my experience and research, HERE ARE THE KEYS to this topic, and this applies to those who look to make constant gains over time, not the above mentioned wannabes who just piss me off and can go amuse themselves elsewhere as far as I'm concerned:
1. Most bodybuilders are lying hypocritics when it comes to the gear they use. I have accepted that I am a part of what is likely the most hypocritical sport in existence, with 300# contest-shape bodybuilders pretending they got that way by drinking Pro Complex or whatever. If a pro "shares" his cyle with you, chances are you're getting told a fairy tale, and maybe he'll then offer to sell you some swampland in Louisiana too, if you're dumb enough to believe he got his pro card on 500 mg of sust/wk.
2. No one size fits all, not in training, diet, and especially drug protocols. You must experiment to see what works for you, and this is why thorough records must be kept and why telling someone else what they do is too much is out of line--How the fuck do you know what is right for someone else!
3. The minimum amount of drugs that yield the desired results is best. You reach what I call "the point of diminishing returns" in AAS dosages. Perhaps 1,000 mg Sust/wk. as part of a stack is working very well for you. What if you use 2,000 or 3,000 mg/wk or 10,000mg/wk? Well, your results willl likely improve, but by how much. Perhaps a bit up to 2,000 and then a tiny bit more up to 3,000, but where do you draw the line? You must determine where increases in doses only yield minimal improvements and draw the line there. Ask yourself if the extra expense and moreso the increase of side effects and negative helath impact are worth it? Draw that line where you see fit. How much are you willing to tolerate/pay for to get slightly better results? But realize that jumping to the next level of doses before you really need to will only decreas your longterm potential.
4. The bigger you get, the higher your relative doses will likely need to be. Why? Because the number of muscle cells and androgen receptors you have is NOT a fixed number, and if you use your chemistry and training properly, you are increasing them over time, esp. with GH and IGF1 use. ALso you will likely suffer receptor downgrade over time, although there are protocols and drugs that help to clear these. Drug mfr's are beginning to recognize that drug doses should be size-depesndent, in pediatric drugs, often prescribed today at doses based on weight rather than age. It never made sense that at age 12 Jimmy shoud take one pill for whatever, then on his 13th birthday he suddenly needed two. The same is true with AAS--Yes, 750 mg/wk may have worked great when you were a 170# newbie, but it's not gonna do shit when you're a 270# competitor. Even my dentist, in prescribing an anti-anxiety med for my dental appointments (I am "denta-phobic," looked me over and said, "You should take two of these..."
In summary, do what works for you, don't tell others what they should be doing based on your experience (or lack thereof!), use the min. you can to yield good results, expect that you'll need to use more (higher doses and variety of drugs) as you get bigger. And if you don't have anything positive to contribute to a post, based on knowledge and experience, then shut the fuck up! Now follow me to Freakdom.
In my experience and research, HERE ARE THE KEYS to this topic, and this applies to those who look to make constant gains over time, not the above mentioned wannabes who just piss me off and can go amuse themselves elsewhere as far as I'm concerned:
1. Most bodybuilders are lying hypocritics when it comes to the gear they use. I have accepted that I am a part of what is likely the most hypocritical sport in existence, with 300# contest-shape bodybuilders pretending they got that way by drinking Pro Complex or whatever. If a pro "shares" his cyle with you, chances are you're getting told a fairy tale, and maybe he'll then offer to sell you some swampland in Louisiana too, if you're dumb enough to believe he got his pro card on 500 mg of sust/wk.
2. No one size fits all, not in training, diet, and especially drug protocols. You must experiment to see what works for you, and this is why thorough records must be kept and why telling someone else what they do is too much is out of line--How the fuck do you know what is right for someone else!
3. The minimum amount of drugs that yield the desired results is best. You reach what I call "the point of diminishing returns" in AAS dosages. Perhaps 1,000 mg Sust/wk. as part of a stack is working very well for you. What if you use 2,000 or 3,000 mg/wk or 10,000mg/wk? Well, your results willl likely improve, but by how much. Perhaps a bit up to 2,000 and then a tiny bit more up to 3,000, but where do you draw the line? You must determine where increases in doses only yield minimal improvements and draw the line there. Ask yourself if the extra expense and moreso the increase of side effects and negative helath impact are worth it? Draw that line where you see fit. How much are you willing to tolerate/pay for to get slightly better results? But realize that jumping to the next level of doses before you really need to will only decreas your longterm potential.
4. The bigger you get, the higher your relative doses will likely need to be. Why? Because the number of muscle cells and androgen receptors you have is NOT a fixed number, and if you use your chemistry and training properly, you are increasing them over time, esp. with GH and IGF1 use. ALso you will likely suffer receptor downgrade over time, although there are protocols and drugs that help to clear these. Drug mfr's are beginning to recognize that drug doses should be size-depesndent, in pediatric drugs, often prescribed today at doses based on weight rather than age. It never made sense that at age 12 Jimmy shoud take one pill for whatever, then on his 13th birthday he suddenly needed two. The same is true with AAS--Yes, 750 mg/wk may have worked great when you were a 170# newbie, but it's not gonna do shit when you're a 270# competitor. Even my dentist, in prescribing an anti-anxiety med for my dental appointments (I am "denta-phobic," looked me over and said, "You should take two of these..."
In summary, do what works for you, don't tell others what they should be doing based on your experience (or lack thereof!), use the min. you can to yield good results, expect that you'll need to use more (higher doses and variety of drugs) as you get bigger. And if you don't have anything positive to contribute to a post, based on knowledge and experience, then shut the fuck up! Now follow me to Freakdom.
My folks were visiting a few months ago, and driving by an LA Fitness on the freeway, my Dad says, "Oh, La Fitness!" It fits doesn't it!!!! We actually pass THREE LA Fitnesses to get to our gym in Atlanta. Give me Gold's, Powerhouse, or World. Plus some really great independent's I've trained at around the country.
