How long to bounce back after 3 week cycle

[paul allen]

I'm currently enjoying training natural, doing 5*5 routine and making good progress. Instead of doing a 6-8 week cycle, I'd rather give a 3 weeker a go when I hit a plateau in the routine.

My question is, yes a 3 weeker will help me break through the plateau but am I catabolic for a week or two after like I would be on a longer cycle?? As this could just cancel out the jump I would be making with the cycle i.e. 3 weeks at double progress, then 3 weeks stuck = 6 weeks natural. Crude, I know but does anyone have info on this. Do 3 weekers hardly shut you down at all??

BTW, cycle would be this:
wk 1- 25mg d-bol ED, 0.25mg A-dex EOD, 750mg sus
wk 2- 25mg d-bol ED, 0.25MG A-dex EOD, 500mg sus (Early in the week)
wk 3- 20mg d-bol, 0.25mg A-dex EOD
wk 4- 0.25mg A-dex EOD

wk 5- Nolvadex, avena sativa, maca

 

[paul allen]

Nobody looks at your post if there's a 0 in the replies column

 

[lostlazy]

I am a huge fan of 3 weekers. I have been doing them for 5 years now and it certainely beats mega-dosing and unusually long cycles ( I have seen 12-18 weekers on here). You will not be catabolic off the cycle if you chose your post cycle wisely. My "usual" cycle is: 30mg/D Dbol, 750 mg Enanthate Wk.1, 500mg Wk.2-3 and 75mg/ED of Winstrol. I follow it w/ 5000 IU/Wk HCG for 3 Wks, stacked with 50mg/D Proviron. Never bridge, cause that is simply something bodybuilders do because they can't stay off and they need an excuse to stay on year round. Usually three weekers rarely shut people down, or cause gyno and such, you may not need A-Dex, and you may be better saving your money on something that expensive and going for the HCG and Proviron Post cycle. I would also add 500mg Sust. Wk.3 as well. All this of course is in my most humble opinion, and you may or may not think its good info. Just trying to help.

 

[lartinos]

Stupid cycle bro, It takes sust's longer esters 3-4 weeks just to kick in. Just use propionate and inject ED.

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

I am a huge fan of 3 weekers. I have been doing them for 5 years now and it certainely beats mega-dosing and unusually long cycles ( I have seen 12-18 weekers on here). You will not be catabolic off the cycle if you chose your post cycle wisely. My "usual" cycle is: 30mg/D Dbol, 750 mg Enanthate Wk.1, 500mg Wk.2-3 and 75mg/ED of Winstrol. I follow it w/ 5000 IU/Wk HCG for 3 Wks, stacked with 50mg/D Proviron. Never bridge, cause that is simply something bodybuilders do because they can't stay off and they need an excuse to stay on year round. Usually three weekers rarely shut people down, or cause gyno and such, you may not need A-Dex, and you may be better saving your money on something that expensive and going for the HCG and Proviron Post cycle. I would also add 500mg Sust. Wk.3 as well. All this of course is in my most humble opinion, and you may or may not think its good info. Just trying to help.

Dude in my opinion this is poor advice regarding the use of HCg. This will cause you problems in the long run. This is more Hcg then alot of people use on longer cycles.

3 weeks of 5000iu will cause desensitization of the leydig cells. Good grief it is just a 3 week cycle you won't need that much post cycle. Now I am not saying you should never do PCT, but that is too much hcg for a 3 week cycle.

Nelson will probably chime in if he sees this post, but even if he doesn't I would not use that much Hcg for PCT from a 3 wk cycle.

 

[paul allen]

Stupid cycle bro, It takes sust's longer esters 3-4 weeks just to kick in. Just use propionate and inject ED.

I used to think this when I first started out, but its wrong!!

Steroids don't kick in!! It just takes 2-3 weeks working out on some of them to see results. Do a search for roid calculators, you can see that they are active pretty much straight away. The decanoate ester is long acting but thats the beauty of using sus early and then just stop injecting and letting the esters do the work for ya.

I do take your point that prop would be a better test, but I think sus will work if frontloading how I mentioned, plus I already have it

 

[Nelson Montana]

One of the advantages of the 3 weeker is the catabolism is minimaland will not outweigh the anabolism.

But 750 of sus is too much. And taking sus the last week will push the cycle 2 weeks longer, so switch to a shorter acting ester.
Yep, way too much HCG. Rule of thumb with HCG -- as soon as your balls are back --stop. They're working on their own, which is the point. Overusing HCG just causes more suppression.

 

[paul allen]

Dude in my opinion this is poor advice regarding the use of HCg. This will cause you problems in the long run. This is more Hcg then alot of people use on longer cycles.

3 weeks of 5000iu will cause desensitization of the leydig cells. Good grief it is just a 3 week cycle you won't need that much post cycle. Now I am not saying you should never do PCT, but that is too much hcg for a 3 week cycle.

Nelson will probably chime in if he sees this post, but even if he doesn't I would not use that much Hcg for PCT from a 3 wk cycle.

Way ahead of ya bro. I've never used hcg, and don't think I'd bother, especially for a 3weeker.

Thanks for the advice all the same lostlazy, but I think your doing overkill on your PCT.

Anyone else experience of bouncing right back afetr 3 weeker, or even not even noticing you've been surppressed????

 

[paul allen]

One of the advantages of the 3 weeker is the catabolism is minimaland will not outweigh the anabolism.

But 750 of sus is too much. And taking sus the last week will push the cycle 2 weeks longer, so switch to a shorter acting ester.
Yep, way too much HCG. Rule of thumb with HCG -- as soon as your balls are back --stop. They're working on their own, which is the point. Overusing HCG just causes more suppression.

I hear ya NM, but I'm not doing sus in the last week. Not even in the last 1.5 weeks. Gonna cram in 1000-1250mg in the first 1.5 weeks and let the esters do the rest for the remainder. It looks OK, when using the roid calculator. What do you think???

I know ideally I should short acting stuff, but I've already got the sus!!

 

[flex2win]

i would save the sus for a longer cycle when you can get the full benefit from all four of the esters, switch to prop, it's not that expensive..

 

[superbigzane]

screw sust.. its a dumb drug..

maybe its just good for newbies but other than that it sucks..

stick to WHAT WORKS fast
like

prop/suspension are what u should take..
stop wasting time with long ass esters that take forever to kick in
and waste ur time

 

[lartinos]

Hey, if you wanna have a shitty cycle then do it. Might as well throw in the hcg whilst you're at it. Ohhhhh, Have you ever used a decanoate ester before? Well, I've used deca at 400mg's a week and not seen any results at all for five weeks. Frontloading? What are you talking about? Do you even know what frontloading is, and it's purpose. You need to either get rid of the shit you have or even better get more and do a long cycle.

 

[chordz]

I would like to try a 3 weeker but without any orals...Anyone ever attemp this? I suppose you would use Prop.

 

[superbigzane]

bro..

3 weeker..

run test suspension period, faster than prop..

since 3 weeks is short suspension is best suited

with some dbol if u want

and if u can afford it,tren.. but not really neded

suspension/dbol ur set

 

[wetback]

Well, I've used deca at 400mg's a week and not seen any results at all for five weeks.

A)If you gained NOTHING you have a terrible diet\work out routine.
B)Deca is usually used for MORE than 5 weeks. Doesn't even get full strength for 3-4 weeks.

 

[lartinos]

Hey wetback you stupid douchebag, did I say how long the cycle was run for. Wrong dumb-ass!!!! I just said it took five weeks to kick in. You're reachin bro. Stop trying so hard, lol.

 

[babbabuee]

from my research on short cycles, I found that it made most sense to run either prop or susp with the dbol.

 

[babbabuee]

by the way paul, how are you planning on frontloading the sust? I just plugged in some of your numbers into the calculator and the levels are all over the place, not very consistent. I think my point is, if you do run the sust only for 1.5 weeks and then let the esters do the work as you said, you get much more of a taper at the end. Now with prop, you'd have elevated levels all the way through and then a couple days after your last shot, it's out of your system and your body is back to normalizing itself.