how long post cycle before starting a CKD

[pushnpull]

I came off a dbol/var 6 week cycle about a month ago and have kept my carbs up for some time to make sure I kept gains. How long should I wait until I start a CKD? I want to maximize the gains I received on cycle and so far I've been doing pretty good and have been keeping my carbs at 200-300 a day or so, dwindling down from the 400-500 I was doing when ON cycle. Anyone have any carb ideas?

 

[Mr.X]

I came off a dbol/var 6 week cycle about a month ago and have kept my carbs up for some time to make sure I kept gains. How long should I wait until I start a CKD? I want to maximize the gains I received on cycle and so far I've been doing pretty good and have been keeping my carbs at 200-300 a day or so, dwindling down from the 400-500 I was doing when ON cycle. Anyone have any carb ideas?

I think you can wait about 2 weeks for a full 6 week and then go on and start the diet.

If you want to maximize gains, keep w/ a low carb diet like 50%p/20%carbs/30% fat instead of doing a CKD.

Mr.X

 

[pushnpull]

Well, this would be my first CKD so I kinda am looking for advice.

So, since its already been 4 weeks since I have been off cycle and PCT is over 2 weeks ago (libido up/feel great again), is it now ok to start a CKD to lose my baby fat? I need to lose like 30 pounds to get down to the bf % I'm looking for after my last bulk cycle. Is the CKD for me yet or should I just continue to have lo-cals of low gi carbs like I have been doing for the last 4 weeks.

Curently I'm around 250 #'s and 3000 cals a day making sure I'm getting about 300 from protien and usually have oatmeal 3 times a day for my low-gi carbs. I drink flax oil/protien shakes like a baby on the nipple to make sure I keep the cals up. Got a $400 order from PF coming in a couple days and figure I might as well get into ketosis sooner or later. I just figured a CKD would make it easy to lose the fat I want to lose while still maintaining and growing muscle when I work out. I read your manuals X over at massmonster and printed all the shit out and have several copies at work and home. I read that using the CKD method I can still gain muscle while cutting fat, hope this is true ... although it would be hard to consume my typical PW shake (dextrose) cause it'll knock me out of ketosis.

hmmm ???

 

[Mr.X]

So, since its already been 4 weeks since I have been off cycle and PCT is over 2 weeks ago (libido up/feel great again), is it now ok to start a CKD to lose my baby fat?
like I said in my other post, wait 2 weeks for a total of 6

I need to lose like 30 pounds to get down to the bf % I'm looking for after my last bulk cycle. Is the CKD for me yet or should I just continue to have lo-cals of low gi carbs like I have been doing for the last 4 weeks.
it's for you only if you try it; give it a shot and you'll see if it is or not, no one can tell you how you are going to react but you

Curently I'm around 250 #'s and 3000 cals a day making sure I'm getting about 300 from protien and usually have oatmeal 3 times a day for my low-gi carbs. I drink flax oil/protien shakes like a baby on the nipple to make sure I keep the cals up. Got a $400 order from PF coming in a couple days and figure I might as well get into ketosis sooner or later.

I just figured a CKD would make it easy to lose the fat I want to lose while still maintaining and growing muscle when I work out.
growing muscle, no; maintaining -yes. You need insulin and carbs to grow muscle and at least above BMR caloric intake, of which none are a part of a CKD 6/1

I read your manuals X over at massmonster and printed all the shit out and have several copies at work and home. I read that using the CKD method I can still gain muscle while cutting fat, hope this is true ... although it would be hard to consume my typical PW shake (dextrose) cause it'll knock me out of ketosis.
you can gain VERY little muscle if any; but you will be able to shed fat while keep the muscle mass, which should be your goal

Mr.X

 

[serbyte]

Mr. X, I was under the impression that CKD was the best way to preserve muscle, while losing fat. Now you are saying that a 50/20/30 split would be better for preserving muscle. With this split, do you reccomend the carbs around the workout like TKD or do you just reccomend some carbs throughout the whole day?

When do you reccomend is the best time to do Cardio on this routine, and what should be eaten before it?

Is cardio PW a good time or is Morning cardio better?

 

[Mr.X]

Mr. X, I was under the impression that CKD was the best way to preserve muscle, while losing fat. Now you are saying that a 50/20/30 split would be better for preserving muscle. With this split, do you reccomend the carbs around the workout like TKD or do you just reccomend some carbs throughout the whole day?
what I said was that you need to stick w/ a 50/20/30 for 2 more weeks to have a full 6 week Post-cycle recover (which is minimal). Thereafter, I would suggest doing a CKD

When do you reccomend is the best time to do Cardio on this routine, and what should be eaten before it?
AM, take some MCT oil before it

Is cardio PW a good time or is Morning cardio better? AM

Mr.X