How long for natural test to come back?

[pennypacker]

This is a two part question:

How long would it take for your natural test to come back after an 8-week deca/dbol cycle (500mg deca for 8 wks, and 20-30mg dbol for 4 wks):

A. Assuming you use NO post-cycle therapy drugs?

B. Assuming you use clomid/nolva/HCG?

thanks.

 

[snagglepuss]

From my experience,

A. 4-6 weeks

B. 3-5 weeks

Personally, I haven't seen much difference, but I'm at the beginning of a post-cycle now, so we'll see...

 

[OXANDRIN]

everyone is different but i have never been the same in bed since my very 1st cycle

 

[psychedout]

A. I would say 6 weeks
B. I would say 3-4 weeks

But why in God's name would you not use any? You would crash and loose so much of your gains.

 

[pennypacker]

A. I would say 6 weeks
B. I would say 3-4 weeks

But why in God's name would you not use any? You would crash and loose so much of your gains.

I don't get it.
1) you are going to lose some gains no matter what, even if you use post-cycle therapy.

2) the difference is only 2-3 weeks, whatever ADDITIONAL muscle mass you lose, you can get back once your own natural test kicks in. After all, once you stop post-cycle therapy, you still keep your gains, right? so why shouldn't you gain back the lost mass then?

I admit this seems to go against conventional wisdom on the board, but I am confused about why. If this is wrong, I'd like to understand it better.

 

[The Terminator]

2) the difference is only 2-3 weeks, whatever ADDITIONAL muscle mass you lose, you can get back once your own natural test kicks in. After all, once you stop post-cycle therapy, you still keep your gains, right? so why shouldn't you gain back the lost mass then?

The problem is you are talking about alot of guys here who are WAY above their genetic limitations. Therefore the necessity of restoring proper natty test levels is critical if these individuals are to maintain the size above and beyond their genetic ceiling...You can not maintain the type of extra mass that alot of guys here have without the use of excessive drugs...and once its lost it can not necessarily be gained back naturally, not if one is so far above that genetic limit...

 

[pennypacker]

The problem is you are talking about alot of guys here who are WAY above their genetic limitations. Therefore the necessity of restoring proper natty test levels is critical if these individuals are to maintain the size above and beyond their genetic ceiling...You can not maintain the type of extra mass that alot of guys here have without the use of excessive drugs...and once its lost it can not necessarily be gained back naturally, not if one is so far above that genetic limit...

Interesting. If I understand you correctly, these people can maintain on their natural test levels, but if the test levels drop, then they cannot re-gain that mass naturally?

So if a person weighs 230 on cycle, and comes off using nolva/hcg/clomid, he might be able to stay around 220-225, but if he comes off naturally and drops down to 210, he won't be able to get back up to 220-225 even after his natural test comes back?

 

[babbabuee]

i think the main point is that they are above their max nat weight. I'm wondering if first timers like myself need it becasue I'm pretty sure I'm under my genetic max. then again, why chance it, i'll run my clomid as planned.

 

[Whatmatters]

OXANDRIN everyone is different but i have never been the same in bed since my very 1st cycle

Really? That sucks dude....what was your first cycle?? can you elaborate on not the same?
WM