as keepable as they come, i didn't lose a thing, i didn't even complete my mild nolva pct cause it was so easy to recover from. the only thing i don't like about tbol is that it filters through the kidneys, so you will get lower back pain if you do not drink enough water, other than that no sides, no bloat, no night sweats, libido increase that is comparable to test, and strength and pumps like ive never witnessed, i'll be able to compare it to my man indy's 100mg ed of var when i get that kind of cash flow. tbol is awesome, oh yea no joint pain at all.