How is this for 1st Cycle?

[Naturally Low Octane]

ok guys, i want you to just post a quick response to this cycle. I know that these are posted all the time, but i couldn't find my exact cycle.
This is my first cycle, i'm 5'11", 162 pounds. Been working out for a year now, wieghed in at 143 before i started lifting. well here's my cycle:

week 1-6 Naposim d-bol-30mg ed

week 1-8 Test phenylprop 200 mgs eevery 3 days

week 3-8 nolvadex 20 mgs per day

week 9-11 clomid 300mg first day, 100 next 13days, 50
next 7 days

also taking milk thistle ed and a detox pill ed.

hoping to get up to 190 by week 8. tell me what ya think

 

[flex2000]

other guys with no better, but im pretty sure they will tell u not to take the nolva unless u see gyno symptoms

 

[Naturally Low Octane]

yeah, i've heard that too, but being that this is my first cycle i have no idea what gyno "feels" like. so i figured i'd just take it ed to be safe.

 

[Naturally Low Octane]

bump guys

 

[Naturally Low Octane]

mustang, fonz, anyone?

 

[Mandinka]

The reason why you shouldn't take the Nolvadex until you start to feel some estrogen conversion symtoms is because of the fact that some conversion is neccessary for the androgens to be fully effective.Therefore using the Nolvadex pre-emptively is then counter-productive.

 

[Naturally Low Octane]

thnx mandinka

cool i wont use the nolva until late in the cycle. what exactly does gyno feel like??

 

[Nimrod25]

Re: thnx mandinka

what exactly does gyno feel like??

Trust me u will know.

 

[Naturally Low Octane]

LOL.........that doesnt sound good

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Cycle looks good but I would not use the Nolva through out..Save it for gyno symptoms(if any) If you notice puffy, itchy, sore nips then hit the Nolvadex. Keep us posted

M18

 

[GLP]

I agree with mustang18 but I did start to get gyno on 30mg dbal a day with some finn but I am one of the lucky ones who can get fucking gyno from andro. Watch out for sensitive nipples and constant titty hard ons.
BTW 300mg clomid per day your back will look like a fucking pizza

 

[fatcrackhoe]

The reason why you shouldn't take the Nolvadex until you start to feel some estrogen conversion symtoms is because of the fact that some conversion is neccessary for the androgens to be fully effective.Therefore using the Nolvadex pre-emptively is then counter-productive.

Uhm, hello this is my first post here btw. Just had a little comment, when taking nolvadex the conversion is actually made, just as much as when not taking nolvadex. The difference is of course that the estrogen will not be able to bite on the receptors as well, because nolva blocks them. And I don't see why you would get better results from not blocking the receptors. Of course, you would probably increase more strenght and weight because of the water, but it will not last after the cycle.

 

[Mandinka]

You are correct , the nolva does block the receptors by binding to them. However the empirical evidence (as opposed to the theory) suggest that you should allow a little to occur , it's actually a robbed quote from Duchaine.

 

[fatcrackhoe]

what do you mean? my english is pretty bad - from sweden.... please try to explain again... thanks

 

[Naturally Low Octane]

sounds good guys, gonna keep all the nolva aside just in case. i havent gotten all the gear yet, just the dbol, but i should have it in probably two weeks. I'm going to post some before and after pics too, I'm also going to set up myself a 8 week training program, i'll scan and post my workouts with reps and wieght amount from week to week along with weekly pictures. hopefully this will be a really "scientificly" done cycle. BTW mustang those dbol are legit and got em for 150 per 1000. thnx again

 

[Mandinka]

fatcrackhoe

Your English isn't too bad my friend. All i meant was that Daniel Duchaine (dead steroid guru) was quoted in W.A.R. as saying that based on observations , the folks who did not use anti-estrogens had more effective steroid experiences. Most of human knowledge on biology is obtained from observation , hypothesis testing and then theory forming. As modern medicine doesn't seem to be too concerned with perfecting athlete's physiques it is left to the likes of Duchaine , Mueller ,(no flames please!) and others to fill in the gaps. he's pretty solid though. So in other words , he couldn't give the exact "this is the way it is because of such-and-such feedback mechanism which we have tested using 100 bobo monkeys on an in-vivo test" , but simpy "this is the way it is because that is what we've seen".
Hope that's a little better.