How harsh is WINSTROL?

[Makavelli]

Aren't tren and eq both oil based?

Yea they are. I'll do one CC of winny, one of EQ, and one of Tren all in one syringe. Simple.

 

[androjunkie]

I don't know the relative harshness of winny compared specifically to other 17aa's (i.e. dbol), but here's some of what I've gathered:

1) Winny is definately taken seriously as a 17aa drug. It's by no means "light" in terms of it's liver impact.
2) Many people (including my HRT doc, who prescribes it to me) really limit their cycles. For example, I can do 50 mg EoD injectable for 10 weeks max, or 50 mg oral ED for 6 weeks max.
3) My doc really preaches no booze (he ok'ed one glass of wine max every now and then, but certainly not EoD).
4) My HRT guy will drop a 250 mg test/week + 450 mg deca/week program on me without blinking, then give me a 30 minute lecture over the 50 mg IM EoD of winny that goes with it.
5) All forms of winny are drinkable, but there's a catch. Depending on the study and/or personal belief, IM is somewhere between 100% and 50% more effective than oral. For example, shooting 50mg EoD is as effective as somewhere between 37 mg and 50 mg of oral winny ED.
6) Winny shots (for me at least) go in like silk, but hurt like hell for about 36 hours (starting about 6-8 hours after the injection). I'm leaning in my chair to one side because my ass is sore from yesterday morning's shot (i'm 22 ish hours out).
7) You can't slip your winny shot in the same syringe with your oil-based test or test derivative shot either -- winny is water based.
8) Final note on the oral versus IM thing... injections slowly leak winny into your system over a 36-48 hour period, so not only is the lower dose (as compared to an oral equivalent) better for your liver, you aren't hitting your liver all at once like you would be with a pill.

Bottom line: Yes, winny is serious business for the liver. Yes, limit your doses and cycle lengths. Yes, don't drink hard and get some Tyler's liver detox. And yes... if you have extraordinary concerns about your liver (i.e. your liver numbers aren't great anyway) you may want to bite the bullet and shoot it.

It really depends on how tough your liver is. I personally ran 50mgs injectable ED for 10 weeks without the slightest elevation in liver enzymes, and yes, it was the real deal, I never get fake shit.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

I don't know the relative harshness of winny compared specifically to other 17aa's (i.e. dbol), but here's some of what I've gathered:

1) Winny is definately taken seriously as a 17aa drug. It's by no means "light" in terms of it's liver impact.
2) Many people (including my HRT doc, who prescribes it to me) really limit their cycles. For example, I can do 50 mg EoD injectable for 10 weeks max, or 50 mg oral ED for 6 weeks max.
3) My doc really preaches no booze (he ok'ed one glass of wine max every now and then, but certainly not EoD).
4) My HRT guy will drop a 250 mg test/week + 450 mg deca/week program on me without blinking, then give me a 30 minute lecture over the 50 mg IM EoD of winny that goes with it.
5) All forms of winny are drinkable, but there's a catch. Depending on the study and/or personal belief, IM is somewhere between 100% and 50% more effective than oral. For example, shooting 50mg EoD is as effective as somewhere between 37 mg and 50 mg of oral winny ED.
6) Winny shots (for me at least) go in like silk, but hurt like hell for about 36 hours (starting about 6-8 hours after the injection). I'm leaning in my chair to one side because my ass is sore from yesterday morning's shot (i'm 22 ish hours out).
7) You can't slip your winny shot in the same syringe with your oil-based test or test derivative shot either -- winny is water based.
8) Final note on the oral versus IM thing... injections slowly leak winny into your system over a 36-48 hour period, so not only is the lower dose (as compared to an oral equivalent) better for your liver, you aren't hitting your liver all at once like you would be with a pill.

Bottom line: Yes, winny is serious business for the liver. Yes, limit your doses and cycle lengths. Yes, don't drink hard and get some Tyler's liver detox. And yes... if you have extraordinary concerns about your liver (i.e. your liver numbers aren't great anyway) you may want to bite the bullet and shoot it.

Cure for your sore ass=Heat up the winny for about 5 minutes in hot water, I usually load the pin and throw it in one of my huge Shake cups...enjoy NO pain thereafter!

 

[LVTitan]

Yea they are. I'll do one CC of winny, one of EQ, and one of Tren all in one syringe. Simple.

you guys please stop giving this advice, DO NOT MIX WATER/OIL BASED GEAR IN THE SAME SHOT, this is a good prescription for an abscess, and it may have to be surgically drained and you will be out of commission for a long time, dont u guys remember the abscess thread and that guys experience...
WHY WOULD YOU EVEN TAKE THE FUCKING CHANCE? the oil will trap the water gear in pockets so it can't release as fast as it should, you keep water gear in a pocket too long and you have a breeding ground for bacteria. THIS IS SERIOUS FUCKING BUSINESS,
pins are cheap, use a different pin, if you are cheap, drink the shit.!! period
titan

 

[mrplunkey]

Cure for your sore ass=Heat up the winny for about 5 minutes in hot water, I usually load the pin and throw it in one of my huge Shake cups...enjoy NO pain thereafter!

You serious? Is it really that straightforward? Tell me more please -- how hot is the water? We talking lukewarm coffee warm or near-boiling water? Does heat damage winny?

For me, I'll shoot 50 mg (1 ml) in my glute around 8:00 am and feel great. It's normally right after a shower, so the area is loose and warm. I shoot, rub the area vigorously for about 60 seconds, and try to stay on the move (even if only walking) for the next hour.

Then... about 6-8 hours later it starts to hurt. By 12 hours, it's terrible. For those next 12-18 hours, i'm crippled. I've done 4 in my right glute and 1 in my left, and it pisses both of them off.

Strangely enough though, around 30 hours out i'm completely good to go. For example, this morning (24 hours out) I could barely get in and out of my car. Now, when I flex my glute I just notice a slight discomfort.

 

[quadkilla31]

Good info bro, but you can mix your winny with your oils. I do it all the time. It cuts down on the pain. My fav to mix it with is tren and EQ. Try it out. It really lessens the pain. Worst to shoot with: Prop! That hurts like a mothaf*cka!

I too have mixed winny with oils with now problems and it does help with the pain.

 

[Makavelli]

I too have mixed winny with oils with now problems and it does help with the pain.

I've been doing this for years w/o any problems. Titan, why would it cause an abcess? I'm not flaming you, just curious. I've never heard of it. The water is sterile in the winny, if you have good winny.

 

[LVTitan]

I've been doing this for years w/o any problems. Titan, why would it cause an abcess? I'm not flaming you, just curious. I've never heard of it. The water is sterile in the winny, if you have good winny.

mak , there have been a few threads lately about abscesses, last month a really gross one.. i dont know all the specifics, but the water based gear is only sterile for a very short time, if it stays in an oil pocket in the human body, it can become infected, and its a nasty operation to drain the puss, they cut the shit out of your muscle, yes lots of people have done it and never had an abscess, but a few have and it's been horrible.. why would u want to take the chance? i dont. i'm not preaching, i'm just telling you what COULD happen.. i'm sure i wont change ur mind, but maybe someone else reading this might save himself some pain later on..thats all...
no offense taken bro.

 

[Makavelli]

mak , there have been a few threads lately about abscesses, last month a really gross one.. i dont know all the specifics, but the water based gear is only sterile for a very short time, if it stays in an oil pocket in the human body, it can become infected, and its a nasty operation to drain the puss, they cut the shit out of your muscle, yes lots of people have done it and never had an abscess, but a few have and it's been horrible.. why would u want to take the chance? i dont. i'm not preaching, i'm just telling you what COULD happen.. i'm sure i wont change ur mind, but maybe someone else reading this might save himself some pain later on..thats all...
no offense taken bro.

Cool bro. Thanks for the info. I'll try to bare it next time solo! It's coming in 9 weeks....Ouch!!!