How harsh is WINSTROL?

[landser]

How harsh on the liver is winny? Compared to other roids like dbol, anadrol, etcetera? Is this one of the harsher oral compounds, or relativeley light like oxandralone?

 

[mrplunkey]

How harsh on the liver is winny? Compared to other roids like dbol, anadrol, etcetera? Is this one of the harsher oral compounds, or relativeley light like oxandralone?

I don't know the relative harshness of winny compared specifically to other 17aa's (i.e. dbol), but here's some of what I've gathered:

1) Winny is definately taken seriously as a 17aa drug. It's by no means "light" in terms of it's liver impact.
2) Many people (including my HRT doc, who prescribes it to me) really limit their cycles. For example, I can do 50 mg EoD injectable for 10 weeks max, or 50 mg oral ED for 6 weeks max.
3) My doc really preaches no booze (he ok'ed one glass of wine max every now and then, but certainly not EoD).
4) My HRT guy will drop a 250 mg test/week + 450 mg deca/week program on me without blinking, then give me a 30 minute lecture over the 50 mg IM EoD of winny that goes with it.
5) All forms of winny are drinkable, but there's a catch. Depending on the study and/or personal belief, IM is somewhere between 100% and 50% more effective than oral. For example, shooting 50mg EoD is as effective as somewhere between 37 mg and 50 mg of oral winny ED.
6) Winny shots (for me at least) go in like silk, but hurt like hell for about 36 hours (starting about 6-8 hours after the injection). I'm leaning in my chair to one side because my ass is sore from yesterday morning's shot (i'm 22 ish hours out).
7) You can't slip your winny shot in the same syringe with your oil-based test or test derivative shot either -- winny is water based.
8) Final note on the oral versus IM thing... injections slowly leak winny into your system over a 36-48 hour period, so not only is the lower dose (as compared to an oral equivalent) better for your liver, you aren't hitting your liver all at once like you would be with a pill.

Bottom line: Yes, winny is serious business for the liver. Yes, limit your doses and cycle lengths. Yes, don't drink hard and get some Tyler's liver detox. And yes... if you have extraordinary concerns about your liver (i.e. your liver numbers aren't great anyway) you may want to bite the bullet and shoot it.

 

[Makavelli]

I don't know the relative harshness of winny compared specifically to other 17aa's (i.e. dbol), but here's some of what I've gathered:

1) Winny is definately taken seriously as a 17aa drug. It's by no means "light" in terms of it's liver impact.
2) Many people (including my HRT doc, who prescribes it to me) really limit their cycles. For example, I can do 50 mg EoD injectable for 10 weeks max, or 50 mg oral ED for 6 weeks max.
3) My doc really preaches no booze (he ok'ed one glass of wine max every now and then, but certainly not EoD).
4) My HRT guy will drop a 250 mg test/week + 450 mg deca/week program on me without blinking, then give me a 30 minute lecture over the 50 mg IM EoD of winny that goes with it.
5) All forms of winny are drinkable, but there's a catch. Depending on the study and/or personal belief, IM is somewhere between 100% and 50% more effective than oral. For example, shooting 50mg EoD is as effective as somewhere between 37 mg and 50 mg of oral winny ED.
6) Winny shots (for me at least) go in like silk, but hurt like hell for about 36 hours (starting about 6-8 hours after the injection). I'm leaning in my chair to one side because my ass is sore from yesterday morning's shot (i'm 22 ish hours out).
7) You can't slip your winny shot in the same syringe with your oil-based test or test derivative shot either -- winny is water based.
8) Final note on the oral versus IM thing... injections slowly leak winny into your system over a 36-48 hour period, so not only is the lower dose (as compared to an oral equivalent) better for your liver, you aren't hitting your liver all at once like you would be with a pill.

Bottom line: Yes, winny is serious business for the liver. Yes, limit your doses and cycle lengths. Yes, don't drink hard and get some Tyler's liver detox. And yes... if you have extraordinary concerns about your liver (i.e. your liver numbers aren't great anyway) you may want to bite the bullet and shoot it.

Good info bro, but you can mix your winny with your oils. I do it all the time. It cuts down on the pain. My fav to mix it with is tren and EQ. Try it out. It really lessens the pain. Worst to shoot with: Prop! That hurts like a mothaf*cka!

 

[mrplunkey]

Good info bro, you can mix your winny with your oils. I do it all the time. It cuts down on the pain. My fav to mix it with is tren and EQ. Try it out. It really lessens the pain. Worst to shoot with: Prop! That hurts like a mothaf*cka!

Wow -- I'd always heard you can't mix oil and water. I mix ultratest (cypo/prop/eth) with deca for my 1x a week shot, and the deca makes the shot go easy. Without the deca, that ultratest is like clear tar.

You've got me thinking now though... I may try mixing winny with Sunday's oil shot.

 

[Makavelli]

Wow -- I'd always heard you can't mix oil and water. I mix ultratest (cypo/prop/eth) with deca for my 1x a week shot, and the deca makes the shot go easy. Without the deca, that ultratest is like clear tar.

You've got me thinking now though... I may try mixing winny with Sunday's oil shot.

Yeah. Give it a shot(excuse the pun). You'll like it much better.

 

[NYBodyguard]

Yeah. Give it a shot(excuse the pun). You'll like it much better.

winny + deca in one will in most cases cause a lump

 

[ohashi]

Informative post.

Good stuff. K for you.

 

[benny1970]

Weird, I never got any pain whatsoever when using the upjohn winny-v, was doing 50mg eod....awesome gains

 

[BrandonXJ]

winny + deca in one will in most cases cause a lump

I'll second that.. and I wouldn't drink on Winny at all.. just my opinion but I like my liver.

 

[Schutzhund1]

Good info bro, but you can mix your winny with your oils. I do it all the time. It cuts down on the pain. My fav to mix it with is tren and EQ. Try it out. It really lessens the pain. Worst to shoot with: Prop! That hurts like a mothaf*cka!

Aren't tren and eq both oil based?