How essential is HCG on a..

[skyway]

cycle of TestE at 500 mg./wk? It is a first cycle. I will have plenty of a-dex, novla and clomid for pct. Many seem to say the clomid and nolva is enough for PCT, but I see HCG mentioned a lot. I will not start the cycle for another couple weeks, so I still have time to get some HCG if it is essential. What do you guys think?

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

cycle history?

 

[LT3]

its his first cycle

 

[skyway]

correct, it's my first cycle....

 

[djsf]

I would consider it pretty important for recovery after your cycle, if you want to keep some of the gains. You didn't say how long hte cycle will be, but even at the moderate dose of 500mg/wk, your body will shut down its own natural testosterone production in just a few weeks. Your balls will start to shrink because the body thinks they are not needed. After you end your cycle, with shrunken testicles, it will take a lot longer to restore natural testosterone production. This would cause you to lose much of the gains from your cycle, as you need natural testosterone to hold on or protect muscle mass. Using HCG after your cycle will quickly regrow your balls (the stuff is like magic) and let you restore nat testosterone quickly. You should keep much of the muscle you gained more easily.

There are tons of posts on PCT (post-cycle therapy) on this board. I encourage you to search and read.

Here are a couple links for you:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327879&highlight=radar's+sticky

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/cathcg.htm

http://freakzonline.com/forums/printthread.php?t=3330

 

[pdaddy]

I ran that exact cycle a couple of months ago. I used clomid and nolva for pct and it worked great. I also bridged the end of my cycle and pct with dbol, I think that helped a lot as well.

 

[skyway]

Sorry, it's a 10 week cycle...

I would consider it pretty important for recovery after your cycle, if you want to keep some of the gains. You didn't say how long hte cycle will be, but even at the moderate dose of 500mg/wk, your body will shut down its own natural testosterone production in just a few weeks. Your balls will start to shrink because the body thinks they are not needed. After you end your cycle, with shrunken testicles, it will take a lot longer to restore natural testosterone production. This would cause you to lose much of the gains from your cycle, as you need natural testosterone to hold on or protect muscle mass. Using HCG after your cycle will quickly regrow your balls (the stuff is like magic) and let you restore nat testosterone quickly. You should keep much of the muscle you gained more easily.

There are tons of posts on PCT (post-cycle therapy) on this board. I encourage you to search and read.

Here are a couple links for you:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327879&highlight=radar's+sticky

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/cathcg.htm

http://freakzonline.com/forums/printthread.php?t=3330

 

[glennds]

i recently finished a test tren cycle and on PCT with HCG and nolva. i am following jenetics advice to the T.

there is something intimidating about HCG since it is not a simple pill you can pop like clomid or nolva. this keeps a lot of guys from using in their PCT regimen.

take the time to learn how to prepare. it will mean reading up and asking questions. (be prepared to jumped on by EF members who think we should not ask questions since THEY already know how to use.) once you learn it is a piece of cake. easy to inject too.

PCT is just NOT fun. but you gotta take precautions to prevent crashing, loss of sex drive, and losing your hard earned gains.

 

[skyway]

The question for glendds is how much test did you use and also what impact did the tren have? My cycle is 500mg/wk of test only. Thanks for all the help...

 

[Indy]

cycle of TestE at 500 mg./wk? It is a first cycle. I will have plenty of a-dex, novla and clomid for pct. Many seem to say the clomid and nolva is enough for PCT, but I see HCG mentioned a lot. I will not start the cycle for another couple weeks, so I still have time to get some HCG if it is essential. What do you guys think?

I would use some hcg week 5 and week 10 to ensure they are plump and ready to go......just ensures natural production starts back at it quickest.

 

[djsf]

To all the all-orals folks: The irony of PCT is that you have to inject your HCG, so basically there is no avoiding self-injection. Fortunately, it's a subcutaneous injection and you can use a very small 1/2" 27 gauge pin. It's a very easy injection, you will hardly even feel anything.

 

[glennds]

The question for glendds is how much test did you use and also what impact did the tren have? My cycle is 500mg/wk of test only. Thanks for all the help...

500mg/wk GT test enan, and 400 mg/wk AOP tren enan. i relatively light cycle for EF standards but quite succussful. this was my 6th cycle. dont know your goals, but sometimes a good stack with not-so-high dosages is better than huge amounts of juice. you gotta do some trial and error to find what work for YOU.

also, got bloowork done this week and everything was normal, except choleterol, LDL which was a little high. my last cycle, which i used tren hex, REALLY fucked up my vitals. not to mention the hellish night sweats and dark urine. tren hex some powerful shit.

skyway PCT not my expertise. i am taking the good advice of others EF bros who are experts. gotta fess up that did not do ANY PCT in past cycles and regretted it...

 

[skyway]

So, what dosage/schedule of HCG would you reccomend?

To all the all-orals folks: The irony of PCT is that you have to inject your HCG, so basically there is no avoiding self-injection. Fortunately, it's a subcutaneous injection and you can use a very small 1/2" 27 gauge pin. It's a very easy injection, you will hardly even feel anything.

 

[glennds]

So, what dosage/schedule of HCG would you reccomend?

1000 IUs MWF, for three weeks. see jenetics sticky in PCT forum.

 

[LT3]

I've heard that HCG can be injected IM, this true? and where would it be injected?glutes?

 

[glennds]

I've heard that HCG can be injected IM, this true? and where would it be injected?glutes?

i do glutes with 25 or 23 pin.

 

[LT3]

thats good news, thanx bro.

 

[Indy]

I've heard that HCG can be injected IM, this true? and where would it be injected?glutes?

Either way, some manufacturers suggest IM, some sub-q, I've done both and find sub-q much easier, so that's my route.

 

[LT3]

i hear you, its just that im used to IM. i guess it all depends on the person.

 

[soxfan]

cycle of TestE at 500 mg./wk? It is a first cycle. I will have plenty of a-dex, novla and clomid for pct. Many seem to say the clomid and nolva is enough for PCT, but I see HCG mentioned a lot. I will not start the cycle for another couple weeks, so I still have time to get some HCG if it is essential. What do you guys think?

I am probably in the minority here but I feel that hcg is not necessary.

 

[Slyder190]

A must have IMO.