How does this look? First cycle.

[gonelifting]

I`m 35 years old about 230 and approx 15% at 6ft 3. My first cycle because I`m really not responding well anymore to ANYTHING regarding diet and training,

I was thinking 12 weeks-

400 Test Enanthane/week 1-12

Dbol 25-30/day week 1-5

Nolva
Clomid
Proscar.

Except for OTC stuff, Am I missing anything? Is 12 weeks too long? Any suggestions.

 

[concordsize]

looks great!!! as long as your diet is in place you will prob gain about 25lbs and should keep around 18lbs of it. Keep Pumpin!!!!!

E

 

[rrwwdd]

I like it. very reasonable for a first cycle. Don't take the nolva unless you need it.

 

[buffut1]

Looks like a good cycle. I'm 35 as well and know what you mean about making real gains.

 

[SD Jones]

Looks good to me. I too know what you mean about the age thing. Good luck, and keep us posted.

 

[gonelifting]

I like it. very reasonable for a first cycle. Don't take the nolva unless you need it.

Is there a reason for that? The sidesof Nolva? Because what CAN go wrong Will go wrong with me. So I like to play it safe AND I`m not a good judge of small changes to my body.

Can`t I just take it without HAVING to?

Also I will be taking the Proscar from when I get it ,DURING the cycle AND post cycle. Does that sound right? (1 mg/day) I might get Nizoral (to add to that)

 

[robph]

no 12 wks it's not too long your cycle sounds rite,

 

[SD Jones]

Is there a reason for that? The sidesof Nolva? Because what CAN go wrong Will go wrong with me. So I like to play it safe AND I`m not a good judge of small changes to my body.

Can`t I just take it without HAVING to?

Also I will be taking the Proscar from when I get it ,DURING the cycle AND post cycle. Does that sound right? (1 mg/day) I might get Nizoral (to add to that)

I think you will notice tits.

 

[serbyte]

you could even throw some proviron in, to help the test.

 

[rrwwdd]

There ARE benefits to estrogen, its the excessive amounts that cause you problems. Take once symptoms are noticed and quit once they subside (20mg/ed).

Run a search there is a lot of good info here, much more then I could explain in a few sentences.

 

[gonelifting]

There ARE benefits to estrogen, its the excessive amounts that cause you problems. Take once symptoms are noticed and quit once they subside (20mg/ed).

Run a search there is a lot of good info here, much more then I could explain in a few sentences.

OK so the Nolva I will do 20mg/ed when I first notice it, Until it subsides. Thanks. I just have a hard time noticing things that minute.

I HAVE been reading a lot thousands of posts and writing down pages of notes. Everything is still very personal though because of differing opinions. Still trying...

 

[rrwwdd]

Usually you get an itchy feeling in the nipple area long before the symptoms appear, start then. Stop once the feeling has been gone for at least 5 days.

 

[Singleton]

I think you will notice tits.

Depends on the person.

 

[jerkbox]

you could even throw some proviron in, to help the test.

wouldn't proviron and finasteride together be contradictory?


I would say maybe a small dose of liquidex, and use the nolva if any gyno symptoms develop, and use it post cycle...



can't believe gonelifting is coming to the dark side...hehehehe

 

[gonelifting]

wouldn't proviron and finasteride together be contradictory?


I would say maybe a small dose of liquidex, and use the nolva if any gyno symptoms develop, and use it post cycle...



can't believe gonelifting is coming to the dark side...hehehehe

Use Nolva Post Cycle Even though I`m preparing to use Clomid?

Yes I`m coming to the "darkside" Watch out you young fuckers. lol

As soon as I figure this stuff out.

 

[jerkbox]

Use Nolva Post Cycle Even though I`m preparing to use Clomid?

Yes I`m coming to the "darkside" Watch out you young fuckers. lol

As soon as I figure this stuff out.

yeah man...estogen rebound....a lot of guys get gyno post cycle.

 

[gonelifting]

yeah man...estogen rebound....a lot of guys get gyno post cycle.

Thanks, I Will have the stuff with my order. and I have time till end of cycle to learn more about PCT. (12 weeks)

 

[JuicePimp]

I would really consider an anti-aromatase such as aromasin to run during the cycle too, to keep estrogen levels low, which makes it less likely you will need the Nolva.

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

I also have a theory, but it may not be what you want to hear. I would say to start off you dont need 12 week cycle.
I would say you might be better off @ 500mgEW for 8-10 wks. You might be better served to add var vs dbol. Also I really like Aromasin vs liquidex or whatever. you should plan on Hcg pCt with the nolva.

My suggestion looks like this bro:

• Wks1-8 500mg enan (2 shots per week)
• Var 3-8 40mg ED
• HCG wk9 500iuED for 6 days
• Aromasin 1/2 tab ED (best antiE - best for Chlo levels too)
• Nolva 20mgED for PCT after HCg treatment

I realize 8 weeks may seem short, feel free to make it 10 or 12, I am only making a suggestion. 8 weeks should give you time to see how the test will treat your body. Also starting the Var in the 3rd week gives you 6 wks of var, but 2 weeks on just test to take note of any sides, BP, etc...It is easier to recover your natty test off a short cycle than it is a longer cycle. I would hate to see you make huge gains and crash after wk 13. So the shorter plan will give good results, more keepable results IMO. then take 6-8 weeks off and make another run. Also with bigger guys you mind find the Var helps lean out the BF% and help with keepable gains not just excessive water.

sorry for the long post, you are a good bro and I wanted to explain my perspective on your plan. Good Luck.

Peace

 

[genarr3]

Use Nolva Post Cycle Even though I`m preparing to use Clomid?

Yes I`m coming to the "darkside" Watch out you young fuckers. lol

As soon as I figure this stuff out.

You can use either Clomid or Nolvadex, they're both essentially the same thing.

Cycle looks good.

 

[DaddyX]

I think you will notice tits.

your fucking clueless, anywho, i like the cycle. just keep nolvs "in case" dont use them if you dont need to. If you get to bloated for your liking you could add some ldex @ .5 mg eod, that would do the trick. goodluck bro, keep us updated

 

[gonelifting]

Thanks ShadowF, Sounds like a solid plan but I think the vets here forget how it is to not understand EVERY other word and it`s term here. lol I will try this (simpler) one out first and go from there. I DO appreciate the advice though. It DOES sound good with the "See which is causing the sides theory" I like that concept.

I ordered some Var for my next cycle. May have not gotten enough though, Only 300 tabs at 5mg. I DEFINATELY have time to get more by Cycle #2. lol

I also have a theory, but it may not be what you want to hear. I would say to start off you dont need 12 week cycle.
I would say you might be better off @ 500mgEW for 8-10 wks. You might be better served to add var vs dbol. Also I really like Aromasin vs liquidex or whatever. you should plan on Hcg pCt with the nolva.

My suggestion looks like this bro:

• Wks1-8 500mg enan (2 shots per week)
• Var 3-8 40mg ED
• HCG wk9 500iuED for 6 days
• Aromasin 1/2 tab ED (best antiE - best for Chlo levels too)
• Nolva 20mgED for PCT after HCg treatment

I realize 8 weeks may seem short, feel free to make it 10 or 12, I am only making a suggestion. 8 weeks should give you time to see how the test will treat your body. Also starting the Var in the 3rd week gives you 6 wks of var, but 2 weeks on just test to take note of any sides, BP, etc...It is easier to recover your natty test off a short cycle than it is a longer cycle. I would hate to see you make huge gains and crash after wk 13. So the shorter plan will give good results, more keepable results IMO. then take 6-8 weeks off and make another run. Also with bigger guys you mind find the Var helps lean out the BF% and help with keepable gains not just excessive water.

sorry for the long post, you are a good bro and I wanted to explain my perspective on your plan. Good Luck.

Peace

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

rock on brother

 

[tiger88]

yeah man...estogen rebound....a lot of guys get gyno post cycle.

happened to me




got a small bit of it

 

[rjl296]

me too
id up the test to 500

 

[Toozee]

I like the 500 test, 8-10 wk approach also. This is what my plan is whenever I can start.

Also, it's the itchy nipples you want to watch out for. I've heard when you notice that, take 40mg first day...then 20mg everyday until symptoms are gone.

Best of luck man! Keep us posted.
-2z-

 

[georgie24]

add deca, eq or winny. def add an anabolic in there