How do I help this bro understand that gear isnt a joke ?

[small but working on it]

I need some serious help. I have a very good friend and he wants to get crazy big. He is 37 yr old and is about 18- 20 percent bf. He thinks he is about 14 percent, no way. He did the chiropractor hand held bf meter that isnt accurate at all and thinks he knows everything. He worked out tonight and said he wasnt going to eat. He said he had a big lunch and didnt need to eat. WHAT ??????? He has some test 250 vials and says he is going to only use 20 mgs twice a WEEK. WHAT ?????? I told him 250 or 500 would be a good solid cycle start. He is about 5 10 and weighed 168 today. He has decent arms and decent chest but no legs at all. His back is not muscular at all and for some reason thinks he knows everything and thinks I am crazy. You would think to see him that he was near 190 or so.

This guy barely grad hs and has never logged on this site. He doesnt even know what pct is and has never ever heard of hcg. His cycle is gong to be 6 weeks and at a crazy insane low dose. I told him he wouldnt see anything from it. He doesnt understand the cal intake needed and he doestn want to listen to me. I made this thread so that hopefully some good bros on here will

A Let him know that the bodyfat tester that calculates your bmi by the hands is a total bullshit way to read bodyfat. It is like using the weight scale that they have that shows bodyfat. Tell him when abs start showing through, at what percentage of bf.

B, please let this guy know about amounts. He is truly thinking that 20 mg a week is going to give him some great noticeable benefit. I told him a man his age on avg makes about 110 mg a week naturally and that adding that small amount would be worthless.

C Please let him know that cycles should run 10 to 12 weeks with pct after and some inhibitor during cycle.

D Please let him know that the body is craving protein and nutrition after working out and all during cycle. He doesnt know what catabolic means. REALLY.

E I know he wont read the other threads posted but since this ONE is about him, maybe he can stay focused enough to understand that I am trying to help him, not hurt him.

For the record, I have only done a few cycles. I am early 30s and am about 5 10 and weighed in today at 191. I am pretty decently built and have a good solid base. Legs and torso all match up, chest and back and arms are all decent. He looks bigger than me through the arms and chest but I am not trying to get freaky huge(job) and he is a mechanic so it doesnt matter to him

Seriously, this is a very disturbing matter to me and hopefully I can log on tomorrow and show him the knowledge that needs to be obtained prior to doing any gear. He has the determination and drive in the gym but for some reason, HAS NO IDEA about what it takes. Thanks in advance. Again, I have tried to get him to join and read and read but he refuses. I am at my wits end and need some solid advice from some experienced bros out there and maybe he will take heed. Thanks!

 

[Mac173]

I can't say much more than at that age he should have a little more common sense and respect for himself to at least have a little knowledge about what he's putting into his body.
Sounds like his mind is already made up though.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

stick him with a dirty needle.

 

[Mrpumped]

Give him the website to do his own homework. If he doesn't then fuck him. Some people just don't want to be helped and maybe he's that type of guy.

 

[hrpiii]

Give him the website to do his own homework. If he doesn't then fuck him. Some people just don't want to be helped and maybe he's that type of guy.

I really hate people like that, and if he is one of these self proclaimed 'know-it-alls', fuck him. He's not going to listen to anyone anyway.

 

[nydj66]

Write the guy off; he's a dickhead.

At least he's only planning to do 20mg twice a week so he won't do any harm...this time.

 

[Bruce]

if its the same 37 year old that has been pming me, i agree, i asked him to eat more and he said that he already eats clean and doesn't want to eat a lot of cals cause that will make him fat. people don't understand you can gain more off of a 2lb steak ed diet than you can off a gram of test if you are that size.

 

[socket]

What makes you think he will listen to us?

Let him do his 20mgs per week, it's not gonna harm him!

 

[advanced-stealth]

I agree.

I can't say much more than at that age he should have a little more common sense and respect for himself to at least have a little knowledge about what he's putting into his body.
Sounds like his mind is already made up though.

 

[daveyboy2345]

somebody that ill informed will probably get an abscess from a screwy inject sooner or later

 

[noclue9415]

why even take the time to inject 20 mg of test 2x a week. is this an hrt perscribed method? or did he just make the dosaging up himself?

 

[ukkared]

If he doesn't want to make the effort to learn about what it takes screw him. If he thinks he knows so much let me make the mistakes and learn from them. Maybe after some lost gear, time and effort he will take the time to do some research.

 

[CremasterBlaster]

The only tip that I have is that at that dosage he should at least use a 20ga 2" pin.....it will be kind of difficult to measure a twelfth of a cc/ml, which is a whole other problem.....just like the greens on a golf course.....really big holes make them greener.....he may wanna cycle his test with 2 mgs of dianabol split up into 1 mg twice daily........he'll be freakin huge in about 20 years......LOL

 

[big.nad]

Write the guy off; he's a dickhead.

At least he's only planning to do 20mg twice a week so he won't do any harm...this time.

X2 let this guy go ahead with the 20ml pw and let him see for himself the gains he hasnt made.

theres 2 ways to learn, and most of us choose the hardest way at times.

 

[juniorsamples]

Tell to post before and after pics.

 

[mattrich]

let him know that 20mg isn't even 1/10 of a ml. if he just loads 20mg into a syringe he probly wont even be able to squeeze it out. fuck man i waste that much in the syringe every time i inject!!

 

[instant.muscle]

hope it doesn't sound cruel but for people who wont listen sometimes they must learn from their mistakes

 

[sshadoww]

stick him with a dirty needle.

Too funny!

Bro- if he doesn't listen to you and you are his bud, then why would he listen elsewhere? What he's going to do is more senseless than dangerous so maybe you should just let it run it's course. I doubt he will need any type of PCT ot have Gyno symptoms with that low dosage, so let him waste his cash and live and learn. Good looking out though.

 

[musclehealth]

fuck him. Thats what I say.

 

[sixxtoes]

there are just some people that no matter what you tell them they just don't get it.

 

[mr.nitro]

sure he don't mean 20ml instead of 20 mg. I don't even know how you would measure 20mg. slin pin maybe.

 

[Papa Lion]

fuck that's even a small dose for a slin pin!! not even one full slash!! it would be nice if he educated himself abit... but if he is just gonna be bullheaded about the whole ordeal... it is better to be misinformed/ignorant and do an improper cycle with a dose not strong enough to notice or do any harm... beats the hell out of a shitty diet/shitty training/no pct on a gram a week!! let him have his placebo effect!! I bet a 20 spot after a week and a half he comes tellin you he measured his arms and "they're like an inch bigger already!!" haha!!

 

[MichaelScott]

What makes you think he will listen to us?

Let him do his 20mgs per week, it's not gonna harm him!

at least he isnt doing 200 tren a day where he could actually cause some harm, f...him

 

[bigswole95]

I know what you mean bro.I have to work with people like that eveyday at my job sucks ass.This one motherfucker wears a sauna suit an says he is going to lose so much weight an doesn't work out but once a week.An eats fast food all dam day.Saying shit like iam not on a diet ,Iam like trust me I no.He is 40 years old an all ways running his mouth about a six pack .Yea right,I told him there is a difference between cutting weight an losing weight.I told him you just cutting weight not losing it you just taking all the water out of your body he told me I don't no what iam talking about.So I will let him think he is doing something good like dam bro your losing a lot of weight I was wrong .Get his head all big for nothing lol fucking people these days.

 

[small but working on it]

Thanks for all the responses. I guess the reason I opted to try this thread was to inform him. He, for some reason thinks that he knows everything. I tried to turn him on to the site months ago and he still hasnt ever logged on and forgot the address. I know a lot of you just say fuck him and write him off but he is a good friend of mine, he just doesnt listen to me about this. I guess he figures because he has decent size that he knows it all.

I really dont know what to do either. He mentioned tonight about going to the pharmacy and getting some needles for his "diabetic" mom. I told him where he planned to inject and what gauge needle and length he needed and he had no clue. He thought one syringe and needle for the entire cycle. I told him he was crazy and would def see an infection. I told him about getpinz and how inexpensive they are and to use one needle and syringe, one time. He said that tattoo artists soak their needles in bleach and reuse them. I mean that is way out there.

I told him to at the very least to get some pct supplies and try to have some liquidex or something similiar. He should be ok with a 500 mg cycle without hcg but that would be ideal. I think he is now convinced to see the 250 times twice a week with the omnadren that he has.

In closing, I really do feel bad for the guy. He is a nice guy and not arrogant about it but just seems to think he knows all about "juice". I have told him he needs to eat a shitload and get a lot of rest and hit the weights hard.

The reason I came to the boards with this is MAYBE I can show him that I am not full of shit and I do know what I am talking about and that there are some hardcore bros on here who know what is up.

Again, thanks for the advice given and please keep it coming. Any helpful thoughts or insights will be greatly appreciated . Take care everyone.

 

[perp69]

Let him do his 20mg and then when nothing happens maybe he will give up since he obviously has no business doing AAS anyway. Then you can offer to buy his gear at discount. He really needs to read up and educate himself some.

Perp