How accurate is this statement? ( Kidneys )

[Brian123]

I read it on a messege board, and since i've always wondered about it, how accurate do you think this is?

Not to scare ya but kidneys can be damaged with no signs from blood work because they will still function even when they're damaged, until the damage is so severe that they begin to fail...

you should have your doc do a urinalysis...blood (microscopic or not) means kidney damage...even though your blood tests may not show any problems

I just switched from Dianabol to Anadrol ( very disappointed as I was expecting much more from dbol ) , and did only ONE 50 mg tab so far, and now I feel something in my kidneys. I dont know if i'd call it pain cuz it doesnt really hurt. But I do feel something going on there. It doesnt bother me that much. I probably wouldnt have thought about it if it didnt remind me of a similar feeling when I did my first cycle.

I'm just a bit worried and wondering if I should ignore.

Last cycle I ignored it and maybe a week ( or two? ) later, I started to urinate more and that feeling was gone. Did bloodwork afterwards and everything was fine.

I recently heard about a trainer at some gym nearby who just got kidney failure.

I'm starting to think, most steroid related health problems that I hear about involve the kidneys, but it MAY have something to do with insane cutting diets and/or drugs.

I'm also starting to wonder, do we worry too much about liver and neglect kidneys?

Anyway back to the question, how accurate is the statement above?

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Blood in your urine does not mean kidney damage. it can mean other things as well like your passing a stone or you have a UTI. There are several stops along the way out of your cock that can cause you to piss urine.

Yes blood test show if you have kidney damage or failure or what have ya. This guy is watching fucking TV.

 

[Brian123]

Just to clarify, no blood in urine here.

Wondering how accurate it is to say that blood tests can tell you if theres kidney damage, only when its serious, because if your kidneys are still functioning, bloodwork will tell you that everything is okay. In other words its hard to tell if theres minor damage or not because we dont really need the total capacity of both kidneys.

How accurate is this?

 

[todoveritas]

Unless you are a menustrating female, blood in the urine is ALWAYS abnormal. And yes, your friend is correct, there can be considerable damage to your kidneys before your typical tests (BUN and creatinine) will show up.

One of the reasons hypertension is so devastating is that the high blood pressure destroys the tiny blood capillaries that filter the blood in the kidney very slowly over a very long time, allowing it to sneak up on the patient (and the doctor) and not show itself until 50% function is gone. This by the way, is the MAJOR reason steroids get a bad rap for causing kidney disease, steroids have not been shown to be particularly nephrotoxic.

 

[hayz]

The dude didnt say there was blood in his urine.

From what i understand the doctors can tell your fucking life story with your blood results. Kidney damage can be detected the same way liver damage is detected, using value grade, if they have low or high values etc.

My kidneys ache all the time, usually from drinkin to much grog. worries me a little but the doc said i was fine.

 

[triggernigha]

Unless you are a menustrating female, blood in the urine is ALWAYS abnormal. And yes, your friend is correct, there can be considerable damage to your kidneys before your typical tests (BUN and creatinine) will show up. QUOTE]


You are wrong in this statement, it is perfectly normal to have trace amounts of red blood cells in your urine - it does not indicate any problems.

If you are pissing red on the other hand, you've got trouble.

do some research and you will see

 

[Brian123]

there can be considerable damage to your kidneys before your typical tests (BUN and creatinine) will show up.

One of the reasons hypertension is so devastating is that the high blood pressure destroys the tiny blood capillaries that filter the blood in the kidney very slowly over a very long time, allowing it to sneak up on the patient (and the doctor) and not show itself until 50% function is gone. This by the way, is the MAJOR reason steroids get a bad rap for causing kidney disease, steroids have not been shown to be particularly nephrotoxic.

If "typical tests" wont show anything, how can I make sure i'm not damaging my kidneys before 50% of function is gone? How can I monitor kidney function?

The Anadrol kidney ache is tolerable, but worries me. I'm not sure if I should keep ignoring it til it goes away, when on Anadrol.

 

[todoveritas]

Unless you are a menustrating female, blood in the urine is ALWAYS abnormal. And yes, your friend is correct, there can be considerable damage to your kidneys before your typical tests (BUN and creatinine) will show up. QUOTE]


You are wrong in this statement, it is perfectly normal to have trace amounts of red blood cells in your urine - it does not indicate any problems.

If you are pissing red on the other hand, you've got trouble.

do some research and you will see

I am sure YOU have a doctorate on this subject. I will concede that microscopic hematuria with few RBC may be normal and indicative of trauma or micronephrolithiasis but gross hematuria is ALWAYS abnormal.

 

[todoveritas]

If "typical tests" wont show anything, how can I make sure i'm not damaging my kidneys before 50% of function is gone? How can I monitor kidney function?

The Anadrol kidney ache is tolerable, but worries me. I'm not sure if I should keep ignoring it til it goes away, when on Anadrol.

Bro, the nitty gritty is, like liver damage, you cannot usually tell until it has already occurred. That is why you hear over and over the importance of maintaining good fluid intake so as to keep the capillaries flushed with water. I myself, keep vigilant for signs of brownish or dark urine and if it occurs, I increase my water intake and/or decrease my tr3n dosages. Probably not necessary, but it makes me sleep better at night.

The other thing you can do is take an ACE-inhibitor such as Capoten. These class of drugs have been found to have kidney protective effects.

 

[NYBodyguard]

If you are pissing red on the other hand, you've got trouble.

why would i piss on my other hand?

 

[triggernigha]

I am sure YOU have a doctorate on this subject. I will concede that microscopic hematuria with few RBC may be normal and indicative of trauma or micronephrolithiasis but gross hematuria is ALWAYS abnormal.

lol, your funny, did i say i had a doctorate? i just know some info, thats all.

if you gave the correct advice in the first place, i would not have to correct you.

and if you look at my response, you will see that i did indicate if urine is red, then you have problems; so i am confused as to why you feel you needed to reiterate that point again using capitals. WAS THAT FOR EMPHASIS?

oh and next time, try using fewer big words, its awful confusing chico

 

[triggernigha]

why would i piss on my other hand?

your aim is off?

 

[DrThomas]

Bro, the nitty gritty is, like liver damage, you cannot usually tell until it has already occurred. That is why you hear over and over the importance of maintaining good fluid intake so as to keep the capillaries flushed with water. I myself, keep vigilant for signs of brownish or dark urine and if it occurs, I increase my water intake and/or decrease my tr3n dosages. Probably not necessary, but it makes me sleep better at night.

The other thing you can do is take an ACE-inhibitor such as Capoten. These class of drugs have been found to have kidney protective effects.

This would be a viable option to discuss with your doctor, ACE or ARB therapy will help protect the kidney and the RAAS system, just watch your creatinine clearance and eGFR. I hate to speculate but I would not be shocked if the trainer had diabetes or metabolic syndrome putting further stress on the kidney.

 

[joseeduardomauro]

the statement is true, i always run urin blood work and i had already results of normal values during oral cycles, and above normal readings off time just from multivitamins and creatin, specially my creatinine values. To see if your kdnyes are really in trouble there are specific tests to see if there is micoscopic red blood clees in ur urine...and if your start to fell sick, lower back hurting, no appetite, etc.. u should ask ur doctor to run urinalyisi.

 

[Brian123]

Thanks everyone. I guess its hard to know for sure.


If your kidneys are doing their work, your bloodwork will probably turn out to be fine. That doesnt mean however, that no permenant harm is being done to them.

I get mild kidney aches whenever I start Anadrol, then it eventually goes away and thats the only side I get from it that concerns me. Otherwise, Anadrol is king.

Sooo...if I cant trust creatinine and other standard kidney function tests, then how can I know if harm is being done or not? I like to monitor everything when i'm on but in this case i'm not sure how to.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Bottome line is if your kidneys are functioning well it will show up in you BUN and creatinine levels. They can do other tests but this is the easiest one to detect renal damage. If your levels are high alot of time fluids can bring them back down. by fluids I mean IV. Sometimes it is not reversiable but other times it is. stop sweating it youll be fine. You can trust the standard kidney tests. There are other more indepth test like 24 hour urines but you dont need it.


yes kidneys can still function when on dialysis. Some dialyusis patients still make urine just not a lot. Dont sweat it. alot of people come on these boards and many others and make statments like the one you quoted and have no fucking clue what they are talking about. They hear about it from a friend or on the News.

 

[Brian123]

Thing is, kidneys can be functioning well, at the same time damage is being done to them, at least theoretically. So i'm worried that BUN and creatinine levels arent enough.

Well the pain is now gone. Pain going away didnt take as long as it did on my first cycle. Lasted only a few days. Much less water retention ( and the retention came about gradually )

I love Anadrol, but I love my kidneys more. I want to be 100% sure than no kidney damage is being done when I do Anadrol.

I really believe that we neglect kidneys ( especially those who are cutting and getting ripped ) and give too much attention to liver ( talking about sane dosages and cycle length )

Theres conflicting opinions on whether basic kidney function tests would be able to tell you if damage is being done or not.

Some say it'll show only when kidneys are pretty messed up because you dont need the total capacity of both kidneys.

So, if say 20% of each kidney isnt working properly, it wouldnt show on the basic kidney function tests because the kidneys are still getting the job done.

Conflicting info isnt helping much and no one seems to be certain. More like educated guesses at best.

If steroids were legal i'd be able to ask a doctor. I know that if I do ask one, the answer would be yes and kidney failure is guaranteed and you'll die.