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Hello,
Welcome to my first post, and possibly one of the worst situations I've ever gotten myself into. I've been running Tren cycles for about a year.
Last cycle (dropped 3 weeks ago) I got a small case of gyno, a small lump under each nip. I'm getting married Sept 6. My gf is a virgin. We will have sex for the first time. I need a libido and I need to get rid of the lumps asap. I've ordered letrozole and nolvadex to dissolve the lumps. They will be here in about 15 days. That's 3 weeks before the honeymoon. If I run the Letrozole+nolv gyno dissolve cycle. My libido will be dead on my wedding night, which means possibly no boner. It's been 3 weeks off the Tren cycle, and the lumps aren't shrinking. I've gotta act fast with the Femera.
So, I can dissolve the lumps and risk impotency on my wedding night, or wait till after the honeymoon and start the dissolve cycle. Which will be 9 weeks since I stopped the Tren. Which could risk the lumps hardening permanently. The trick to dissolving the lumps is to act fast. Even if I wait until after the wedding, I risk losing my libido in the first few weeks after my wedding. Tough to explain to the new wife.
I could start the Tren up again in a very low dose to keep the libido going while I dissolve the lumps. But I'll be out of town and can't bring it with me. My last injection would be 8 days before the wedding. Tren would be dropping bigtime out of my blood in 8 days. Very bad situation.
I was thinking of running a low dose of .25mg of Femera starting the day I get it and keeping that dose straight through for 6 weeks hoping it shrinks the lumps. Bring it with me on the honey moon and all. The sides would be lessened and the lumps would be shrinking. Hopefully I could get both goals accomplished. This could possibly save my libido and dissolve the lumps slowly. I'd follow this up with the Nolv at week 7 to avoid E rebound.
I've heard of .25mg Femera reversing small lumps if taken over 6 weeks with minimal sides. However if it isn't working, I would need to increase to .50.
Which is where it gets risky on the libido.
Perhaps, one week at 2.0mg Femera w. no tapering up. Run it that hard for 2 weeks then hit 20mg nolv for 2 weeks and 10 mg Nolv for 1 week. That might dissolve the lumps in 2 weeks and give me 1 week to get my libido back. I could hit some low doses of Tren ED up until the day I leave, and then eat Tribulus like candy everyday and pray. That's a 2 week dissolve cycle with a one week recovery before the wedding night. Sounds too risky....
What do you guys think... .25mg of Femera for 6 weeks keep my libido and hope the lumps slowly go away. Maybe increase to .50mg at week 3.
The lumps are small, 3 weeks old and sore to touch.
OR
Run 2.0mg Femera for 2 weeks dissolve the lumps quick with no tapering +Nolv. I'm pretty sure this would kill my libido But it might be back in a week or so.
I'm so screwed.....Advice is welcomed. PASTED BELOW IS THE CONVENTIONAL FEMERA + NOLV DISSOLVE METHOD I'VE BASED ALL MY THINKING OFF OF.
OLD POST...............................
Re: Will letrozole + nolvadex reverse gynecomastia?
To first understand why you are doing what you are doing I am going to go over a few things and a few definitions:
selective estrogen receptor modulator – Selective estrogen receptor modulator. These drugs work by binding to the estrogen receptors and flooding them in a sense, making it difficult (but not impossible by any means) for estrogen to bind to the receptors and thus prevent the onset of estrogen related side effects.
Most common forms: Tamoxifen (Nolvadex), Clomiphene (Clomid)
aromatase inhibitor – Aromatise Inhibitor. These drugs work by inhibiting the aromatization of estrogen. This means that in effect aromatase inhibitor’s prevent androgens from converting to estrogen, again, making it difficult (but not impossible) for estrogen to reach receptor sites.
Most common forms: Anastrozole (l-dex, a-dex), Exemestane (aromasin), Femera (letrozole). For our purpose of reversing gynecomastia we are interested in Femera - letrozole - .
Femera - letrozole - and your sex drive:
Letrozole will suppress your sex drive. This is another reason why it is so important to act on preventing gynecomastia as soon as possible. Since we all know that Test should be run in every cycle this will cancel out the effect of sex drive suppression.
Running Femera - letrozole - to prevent gynecomastia:
If you decide to run estrogen protection while on cycle (and I suggest you do unless you are aware that you do not require it), you can run either a selective estrogen receptor modulator or an aromatase inhibitor. Femera - letrozole - will be the most powerful aromatase inhibitor you can use, it will inhibit 98+% of estrogen using a dose as low as .25mg and even lower. This is why I suggest you do not use a dose higher than .50mg while on cycle just trying to prevent estrogen related side effects.
You will want to start running the Femera - letrozole - approximately 2 weeks before you begin your cycle to allow it to fully stabilize in your blood. I have often heard the argument that Femera - letrozole - takes up to 60 days to stabilize, I don’t know if I buy into this for the reason that I have reversed gynecomastia after using Femera - letrozole - for only 1 week. Still to be safe I recommend starting it before your cycle as stated above.
If you do decide to run Femera - letrozole - there is absolutely no need to run another aromatase inhibitor or selective estrogen receptor modulator. Do not make the mistake of thinking more is better. Think of it this way; if Femera - letrozole - is preventing the conversion of androgens to estrogen than there is no estrogen, what would the purpose of a SERM be when there is no estrogen to bind to the receptors? Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - will only take away from the effectiveness of Femera - letrozole - .
This brings me to my next point. Do not listen to anyone who tells you to bump up your nolvadex to 60+mg ED if you get gynecomastia. I have no idea where this idea started but I have seen it suggest far too many times recently. Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your gynecomastia…let me make that clear IT WILL DO NOTHING FOR GYNO. If you are running Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - as your anti-e and start to develop gynecomastia than sure you can bump the dosage a small amount to try to prevent it from progressing further, but letrozole must begin ASAP.
It is very important that you begin taking letrozole immediately, the longer your wait the more risk you take in not being able to reverse it.
How do I know if I have gynecomastia?
If you have developed gynecomastia you will have a lump behind your nipple. It will be fairly hard, and it will be tender to touch.
Running Femera - letrozole - to reverse gynecomastia:
I am going to go over the three different scenarios which people could fit into. Remember regardless of what scenario you are in it is important that you begin taking the Femera - letrozole - ASAP.
1. Already using an anti-e aside from Femera - letrozole - .
2. Already using Femera - letrozole - @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED.
3. Not running any estrogen protection.
1.
Day 1: .25mg Femera - letrozole - + anti-e*
Day 2: .50mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 3: 1.0mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 4: 1.5mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 5: 2.0mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 6: 2.5mg Femera - letrozole - **
2.
Day 1: .50mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 2: 1.0mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 3: 1.5mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 4: 2.0mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 5: 2.5mg Femera - letrozole - **
3.
Day 1: .50mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 2: 1.0mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 3: 1.5mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 4: 2.0mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 5: 2.5mg Femera - letrozole - **
*Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin Femera - letrozole - as the Femera - letrozole - will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gynecomastia is already prevalent.
** You will remain at this dose until gynecomastia symptoms subside. Once you believe your gynecomastia is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper Femera - letrozole - down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.
Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally I have sta with .25mg and never had a problem.
Femera - letrozole - and the estrogen rebound:
With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone:estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another aromatase inhibitor or selective estrogen receptor modulator. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - in your PCT - post cycle therapy - so just make sure that you begin taking Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - the last day you are going to take your Femera - letrozole - and then continue on as you would with regular PCT.
This now leads us into the question of reversing gynecomastia while not on cycle. There are a few things to remember here. You have already waited longer than you should have, and your sex drive will be shot. You can use tribulus or another natural test booster to help you in this scenario but I can’t guarantee the effectiveness. Just follow gynecomastia reversal protocols 2 or 3. When coming off again you must taper and begin using nolvadex to prevent any rebound effect that may occur.
How much nolvadex should you use if you are not going into PCT - post cycle therapy - and running this off cycle? I suggest starting at 20mg ED for a week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then coming off completely.
I hope this covers most of the issues, still feel free to PM me if you have questions. But make sure you read the entire post first.
Welcome to my first post, and possibly one of the worst situations I've ever gotten myself into. I've been running Tren cycles for about a year.
Last cycle (dropped 3 weeks ago) I got a small case of gyno, a small lump under each nip. I'm getting married Sept 6. My gf is a virgin. We will have sex for the first time. I need a libido and I need to get rid of the lumps asap. I've ordered letrozole and nolvadex to dissolve the lumps. They will be here in about 15 days. That's 3 weeks before the honeymoon. If I run the Letrozole+nolv gyno dissolve cycle. My libido will be dead on my wedding night, which means possibly no boner. It's been 3 weeks off the Tren cycle, and the lumps aren't shrinking. I've gotta act fast with the Femera.
So, I can dissolve the lumps and risk impotency on my wedding night, or wait till after the honeymoon and start the dissolve cycle. Which will be 9 weeks since I stopped the Tren. Which could risk the lumps hardening permanently. The trick to dissolving the lumps is to act fast. Even if I wait until after the wedding, I risk losing my libido in the first few weeks after my wedding. Tough to explain to the new wife.
I could start the Tren up again in a very low dose to keep the libido going while I dissolve the lumps. But I'll be out of town and can't bring it with me. My last injection would be 8 days before the wedding. Tren would be dropping bigtime out of my blood in 8 days. Very bad situation.
I was thinking of running a low dose of .25mg of Femera starting the day I get it and keeping that dose straight through for 6 weeks hoping it shrinks the lumps. Bring it with me on the honey moon and all. The sides would be lessened and the lumps would be shrinking. Hopefully I could get both goals accomplished. This could possibly save my libido and dissolve the lumps slowly. I'd follow this up with the Nolv at week 7 to avoid E rebound.
I've heard of .25mg Femera reversing small lumps if taken over 6 weeks with minimal sides. However if it isn't working, I would need to increase to .50.
Which is where it gets risky on the libido.
Perhaps, one week at 2.0mg Femera w. no tapering up. Run it that hard for 2 weeks then hit 20mg nolv for 2 weeks and 10 mg Nolv for 1 week. That might dissolve the lumps in 2 weeks and give me 1 week to get my libido back. I could hit some low doses of Tren ED up until the day I leave, and then eat Tribulus like candy everyday and pray. That's a 2 week dissolve cycle with a one week recovery before the wedding night. Sounds too risky....
What do you guys think... .25mg of Femera for 6 weeks keep my libido and hope the lumps slowly go away. Maybe increase to .50mg at week 3.
The lumps are small, 3 weeks old and sore to touch.
OR
Run 2.0mg Femera for 2 weeks dissolve the lumps quick with no tapering +Nolv. I'm pretty sure this would kill my libido But it might be back in a week or so.
I'm so screwed.....Advice is welcomed. PASTED BELOW IS THE CONVENTIONAL FEMERA + NOLV DISSOLVE METHOD I'VE BASED ALL MY THINKING OFF OF.
OLD POST...............................
Re: Will letrozole + nolvadex reverse gynecomastia?
To first understand why you are doing what you are doing I am going to go over a few things and a few definitions:
selective estrogen receptor modulator – Selective estrogen receptor modulator. These drugs work by binding to the estrogen receptors and flooding them in a sense, making it difficult (but not impossible by any means) for estrogen to bind to the receptors and thus prevent the onset of estrogen related side effects.
Most common forms: Tamoxifen (Nolvadex), Clomiphene (Clomid)
aromatase inhibitor – Aromatise Inhibitor. These drugs work by inhibiting the aromatization of estrogen. This means that in effect aromatase inhibitor’s prevent androgens from converting to estrogen, again, making it difficult (but not impossible) for estrogen to reach receptor sites.
Most common forms: Anastrozole (l-dex, a-dex), Exemestane (aromasin), Femera (letrozole). For our purpose of reversing gynecomastia we are interested in Femera - letrozole - .
Femera - letrozole - and your sex drive:
Letrozole will suppress your sex drive. This is another reason why it is so important to act on preventing gynecomastia as soon as possible. Since we all know that Test should be run in every cycle this will cancel out the effect of sex drive suppression.
Running Femera - letrozole - to prevent gynecomastia:
If you decide to run estrogen protection while on cycle (and I suggest you do unless you are aware that you do not require it), you can run either a selective estrogen receptor modulator or an aromatase inhibitor. Femera - letrozole - will be the most powerful aromatase inhibitor you can use, it will inhibit 98+% of estrogen using a dose as low as .25mg and even lower. This is why I suggest you do not use a dose higher than .50mg while on cycle just trying to prevent estrogen related side effects.
You will want to start running the Femera - letrozole - approximately 2 weeks before you begin your cycle to allow it to fully stabilize in your blood. I have often heard the argument that Femera - letrozole - takes up to 60 days to stabilize, I don’t know if I buy into this for the reason that I have reversed gynecomastia after using Femera - letrozole - for only 1 week. Still to be safe I recommend starting it before your cycle as stated above.
If you do decide to run Femera - letrozole - there is absolutely no need to run another aromatase inhibitor or selective estrogen receptor modulator. Do not make the mistake of thinking more is better. Think of it this way; if Femera - letrozole - is preventing the conversion of androgens to estrogen than there is no estrogen, what would the purpose of a SERM be when there is no estrogen to bind to the receptors? Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - will only take away from the effectiveness of Femera - letrozole - .
This brings me to my next point. Do not listen to anyone who tells you to bump up your nolvadex to 60+mg ED if you get gynecomastia. I have no idea where this idea started but I have seen it suggest far too many times recently. Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your gynecomastia…let me make that clear IT WILL DO NOTHING FOR GYNO. If you are running Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - as your anti-e and start to develop gynecomastia than sure you can bump the dosage a small amount to try to prevent it from progressing further, but letrozole must begin ASAP.
It is very important that you begin taking letrozole immediately, the longer your wait the more risk you take in not being able to reverse it.
How do I know if I have gynecomastia?
If you have developed gynecomastia you will have a lump behind your nipple. It will be fairly hard, and it will be tender to touch.
Running Femera - letrozole - to reverse gynecomastia:
I am going to go over the three different scenarios which people could fit into. Remember regardless of what scenario you are in it is important that you begin taking the Femera - letrozole - ASAP.
1. Already using an anti-e aside from Femera - letrozole - .
2. Already using Femera - letrozole - @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED.
3. Not running any estrogen protection.
1.
Day 1: .25mg Femera - letrozole - + anti-e*
Day 2: .50mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 3: 1.0mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 4: 1.5mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 5: 2.0mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 6: 2.5mg Femera - letrozole - **
2.
Day 1: .50mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 2: 1.0mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 3: 1.5mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 4: 2.0mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 5: 2.5mg Femera - letrozole - **
3.
Day 1: .50mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 2: 1.0mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 3: 1.5mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 4: 2.0mg Femera - letrozole -
Day 5: 2.5mg Femera - letrozole - **
*Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin Femera - letrozole - as the Femera - letrozole - will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gynecomastia is already prevalent.
** You will remain at this dose until gynecomastia symptoms subside. Once you believe your gynecomastia is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper Femera - letrozole - down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.
Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally I have sta with .25mg and never had a problem.
Femera - letrozole - and the estrogen rebound:
With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone:estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another aromatase inhibitor or selective estrogen receptor modulator. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - in your PCT - post cycle therapy - so just make sure that you begin taking Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - the last day you are going to take your Femera - letrozole - and then continue on as you would with regular PCT.
This now leads us into the question of reversing gynecomastia while not on cycle. There are a few things to remember here. You have already waited longer than you should have, and your sex drive will be shot. You can use tribulus or another natural test booster to help you in this scenario but I can’t guarantee the effectiveness. Just follow gynecomastia reversal protocols 2 or 3. When coming off again you must taper and begin using nolvadex to prevent any rebound effect that may occur.
How much nolvadex should you use if you are not going into PCT - post cycle therapy - and running this off cycle? I suggest starting at 20mg ED for a week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then coming off completely.
I hope this covers most of the issues, still feel free to PM me if you have questions. But make sure you read the entire post first.
