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Holy wow - Heart Palpitations

Smurfy

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Ok, so help me out here.

As you know, I have a pretty extensive history of OTC stimulant use. Most recently, I have been taking 2 StimX every morning - mostly for the 5am workouts, but I also take it on days I dont workout. I've been at this dosage now for many months. I've also noticed over the past months- but moreso recently- that occasionally and out of nowhere, even when Im sitting down doing nothing, I will get this crazy pouding heart beat. Feels like it's pretty much going to beat right out of my chest. It's pretty intense and sometimes I find myself taking deep long breaths to try to deal with it, or calm it down or something. Lately its been getting kind of disturbing too. I'm just like wtf.

Now I know I am prone to Anxiety to some degree, and rapid or pounding heartbeat can be a symptom of that, and with the stimulants, it can all be exacerbated. So today, I decided not to take any stimulants to see if I still get the same symptoms throughout the day. And even without taking stimulants today, Ive had this heavy hard pounding in my chest pretty much for the whole day. Also, I think the heartrate is increased slightly too. At least it feels like it.

So, would this still be an after effect of the stimulants even though I havent taken any today? Wouldnt the effects diminish or extinguish if I dont take them for a day? Or is it more likely that what Im feeling is just the anxiety?

Holy crap was I tired today. I took like 3 naps.
 
ur gonna have a heartattack
 
smurfy it will take a few days. the same thing happened to me, exactly. I don't know what it is, i'd been taking stims for years as well.
 
smurfy i'd start doing the things you've always wanted to do
three way with the pool guy and lumster
buy that awd mini-van you've wanted since '87
a trip somewhere
and def quit your job, live off of lummy he'll be collecting all your life insurance anyway
 
bran987 said:
smurfy it will take a few days. the same thing happened to me, exactly. I don't know what it is, i'd been taking stims for years as well.
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you had the intense heart pounding when you were taking stims too? and then it continues for a few days after you stopped? did it finally stop? Im beginning to believe that the anxiety symptoms Ive been experiencing over the last 3 years is just a result of stimulant abuse.
 
Wootoom said:
i wont take them things, i cant even sleep when i take them at 8 in the morning
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oh dude, im completely immune to the positive effects of these drugs anymore. i just take them to function. there's no "lots of energy" or "suppressed appetite" for me anymore. it's more "so I can get out of bed"
 
Smurfy said:
oh dude, im completely immune to the positive effects of these drugs anymore. i just take them to function. there's no "lots of energy" or "suppressed appetite" for me anymore. it's more "so I can get out of bed"
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damn i usually just take 8 ephedrine and a redline and im good
 
Smurfy said:
you had the intense heart pounding when you were taking stims too? and then it continues for a few days after you stopped? did it finally stop? Im beginning to believe that the anxiety symptoms Ive been experiencing over the last 3 years is just a result of stimulant abuse.
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Yes, I had it too. from stims like adderall/ephedrine/extreme levels of caffeine. But I did it for years and was fine... then over the course of a few months I started to get palpitations more and more frequently.

Stims also exacerbate minor anxiety which I also have. It was finally so scary I stopped, but the heart palpitations and high heart rate stayed for a couple days afterward, and I was truly afraid I had done permanent damage to myself, which fueled more anxiety.

Eventually though, it just stopped. After like 2 days (so on the 3rd day of no stims)
 
when was the last time you had a CBC done?

tiredness and pounding heartbeat can be signs of anemia, and in ur pic with Lee Priest you looked kind of pale - I'd say get bloodwork prontissimo.

(p.s. are ur bowel movements extremely dark, or any blood in stool ? ewwwww.)
 
Mavafanculo said:
when was the last time you had a CBC done?

tiredness and pounding heartbeat can be signs of anemia, and in ur pic with Lee Priest you looked kind of pale - I'd say get bloodwork prontissimo.

(p.s. are ur bowel movements extremely dark, or any blood in stool ? ewwwww.)
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really?
 
Mavafanculo said:
only girlie men.











lol
YES of course.
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hmm. well shit. I thought only women because they let all their iron flow out when they do the periods. for awhile I thought maybe I gave myself angina. if it goes away when I stop doing stims/drinking alcohol though, then it's probably nothing right?
 
bran987 said:
hmm. well shit. I thought only women because they let all their iron go when they do the periods. for awhile I thought maybe I gave myself angina. if it goes away when I stop doing stims/drinking alcohol though, then it's probably nothing right?
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ur getting angina type pains? on exertion? wtf and you dont see a doc?

you and smurf make appointments tommorrow morning and report back. This directive will be enforced with the full power and force of the combined Chat membership. red K until you DO IT :evil:
 
Mavafanculo said:
ur getting angina type pains? on exertion? wtf and you dont see a doc?

you and smurf make appointments tommorrow morning and report back. This directive will be enforced with the full power and force of the combined Chat membership. red K until you DO IT :evil:
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no, I mean I don't think so. I obviously have no idea what I'm talking about. Read this, this is how I diagnosed myself.

http://www.ucheepines.org/palpitations.htmI HAVE PALPITATIONS--IS MY HEART GOING TO STOP?

"Palpitations" are usually described as a "thumping," "fluttering," "racing," and often as "skipped beats," when describing the pulse or the heart beat. They are often the source of great anxiety in many people; some are afraid that their "heart is going to stop."

Most of the sensations described as palpitations are actually extra beats, usually described by physicians as premature ventricular or atrial contractions. They can be diagnosed clinically in most cases by the physician, and easily if an electrocardiogram is obtained. Sometimes 24?hour monitoring with the mobile Holter monitor is required to pin down the actual nature of the arrhythmia.

PVCs are "premature ventricular contractions." They are "extra beats," originating somewhere in the ventricles, whereas the normal heartbeat originates in the sinoauricular (SA) node of the atria. PACs-premature atrial contractions--originate in the atria, or upper chambers of the heart.

In 90 percent of cases these extra beats are not dangerous and have no special significance. Everyone has them at some time or other. If you do Holter monitoring of 1000 normal people for 24 hours, nearly 100 percent of them will have anywhere from a few to several hundred premature contractions, many occurring during sleep. Most people do not even notice them, even during the day. Some people, who are anxious or very conscious of their hearts, will note every one of them and become even more anxious, thinking the heart is "skipping beats," or that it may stop. The feeling of "skipping" comes about because there is often a pause after an extra beat while the normal rhythm "catches up." A number of large, long-term studies have been done on people with premature contractions indicating their harmlessness. They may be caused by anxiety, by loss of, or lack of sleep, by smoking, alcohol, and especially the use of caffeine and other stimulating drugs. Much of the time, they are simply termed "idiopathic;" i.e., without any known cause.

Treatment involves correcting any of the known causes; after that, there is not really much that can be done. Vigorous exercise may abolish them, whereas many people get so worried about them that they are afraid to exercise. Sometimes the various hawthorn berry extracts, and some of the magnesium compounds, may be helpful. But the main thing is reassurance that they do not indicate heart disease, and are harmless.

The only time that they may be a problem is in serious known heart disease, such as following a severe heart attack where the heart is markedly weakened. In these cases, very frequent, "multifocal" (originating in several different areas of the ventricles) may be an ominous sign, and may trigger off a serious or occasionally fatal arrhythmia.

Another cause for palpitations may be more significant. When persons report skipping and very irregular heartbeat, it may signify the beginning of atrial fibrillation. This arrhythmia occurs when the heartbeat becomes quite chaotic in the atria or upper chambers of the heart; impulses are transmitted very irregularly to the ventricles or lower chambers, so that the heartbeat is very irregular and oftentimes quite rapid. Atrial fibrillation may be either paroxysmal, in which case it comes and goes, or else it may be sustained. Persons with atrial fibrillation should be under the care of a physician.

Usually it is easy enough to distinguish between palpitations caused by premature contractions and atrial fibrillation. However, there are times when premature contractions are so frequent that it may be difficult even for a trained medical person to distinguish the true cause. In these cases, an electrocardiogram will tell the story.

To sum up, most palpitations are entirely innocent and require only reassurance and exercise. Sustained irregular heart rhythm, however, should be investigated by a health professional.
 
I just boutgh StimX for my own reasearch purposes.

if you take 2 and ONCE your nuts

I am 295 at 6'3 and dont take more then 1 a day


My Amplify02 is strong stuff ( fast acting and in and out of the system quickly and safely)


and would never dream of taking more then 1 StimX more then 1 in a 6-8 period

good product it is, but more then 2 at one time . = woah
 
Short answer, Smurfy you need to stop the speedy stuff for a while. That stuff will catch up to you as you get older. Your body can't run at full speed all the time, every day of the week.
 
bran987 said:
Yes, I had it too. from stims like adderall/ephedrine/extreme levels of caffeine. But I did it for years and was fine...
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I doubt you were fine, my man. Your bp and hr were no doubt higher than they should have been, not to mention the changes in brain chemistry chronic stimulant use causes.

bran987 said:
Stims also exacerbate minor anxiety which I also have.
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bran, stimulants can create anxiety, not just make it worse. The only real jobs I've had since hs has been in bx health/psych hospitals, and I remember the very first thing the triage therapist asked peeps reporting anxiety is about their use of stimulants. A large percentage ended up either making their GAD and/or Panic D/O much worse b/c of their stimulant use, or were straight up creating it from stimulant use.
 
i went thru this thing where i had to pretty much eliminate all stimulants. i still do. my palpitations are partly from the injuries i sustained, but since i've shed the stim's, they have subsided. you quit smoking, which it great and should help with that. i'd go to a doc and get an ekg or the like, just to settle your mind. my palps are very few and far between now. but i do feel like a geezer, having to watch my sugar and shit....
 
I got an ulcer from stimulant abuse

I get that crazy heart palpitation too

its like running an engine on NOS, shit is fast can do more, but will kill it faster.
 
bran - any or all of that stuff (skipping a beat, angina pain, extreme tireness, heart pounding) is enuf to waste an hour and get it checked out. you lose nothing except time (and a few hundred bux if no insurence :( ) and the downside risk of doing nothing is big.

I have heart disease in my family, so maybe I'm alittle more sensitive to the potential consequences
 
Mavafanculo said:
bran - any or all of that stuff (skipping a beat, angina pain, extreme tireness, heart pounding) is enuf to waste an hour and get it checked out. you lose nothing except time (and a few hundred bux if no insurence :( ) and the downside risk of doing nothing is big.

I have heart disease in my family, so maybe I'm alittle more sensitive to the potential consequences
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I had an EKG about 9 months ago when I had pleurisy (I know, I sound like a mess). For those of you who have had pleurisy but didn't know what it was, basically it's an irritation of your lung lining which many people misinterpret as a heart attack (which is what I did). I was in the hospital they did EKG and x-ray of my heart and stuff... said it looked normal... hopefully not much has changed since then! and dude of course I have insurance wtf!

is your heart OK?
 
bran987 said:
I had an EKG about 9 months ago when I had pleurisy (I know, I sound like a mess). For those of you who have had pleurisy but didn't know what it was, basically it's an irritation of your lung lining which many people misinterpret as a heart attack (which is what I did). I was in the hospital they did EKG and x-ray of my heart and stuff... said it looked normal... hopefully not much has changed since then! and dude of course I have insurance wtf!

is your heart OK?
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well when I'm not on dbol, BP is OK, and lipids OK when I'm not on var or winny lol. homocystiene and C-Reactive protein always OK. plus I do all the CV protective supps when on (garlic as a substitute HDL, ALC, inositol hexanicotinate, fish oils, r-ALA, low animal fat diet, psyllium seed husk, etc) - so all in all I'd say I'm probably better off CV-wise than the avg joe.


BTW, smurf is gonna kill you for hijaaking her thread lol.
 
bran987 said:
Yes, I had it too. from stims like adderall/ephedrine/extreme levels of caffeine. But I did it for years and was fine... then over the course of a few months I started to get palpitations more and more frequently.

Stims also exacerbate minor anxiety which I also have. It was finally so scary I stopped, but the heart palpitations and high heart rate stayed for a couple days afterward, and I was truly afraid I had done permanent damage to myself, which fueled more anxiety.

Eventually though, it just stopped. After like 2 days (so on the 3rd day of no stims)
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all of this is exactly what I am experiencing. I hope I can function enough today to get through my 5am workout and workday. we'll see. the headache is pretty bad too.

bran - I had pleurisy in 2001 and was in the hospital for all sorts of tests. this was at a time when I was really abusing ephedra and had lost shit tons of weight. that was scary and painful. the pain kept moving from left to right to back. it's weird that we've experienced a lot of the same things.
Mavafanculo said:
when was the last time you had a CBC done?

tiredness and pounding heartbeat can be signs of anemia, and in ur pic with Lee Priest you looked kind of pale - I'd say get bloodwork prontissimo.

(p.s. are ur bowel movements extremely dark, or any blood in stool ? ewwwww.)
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that pic was from like over 3 years ago. i dont know if Ive had bloodwork done since then. I think I have. (p.s. my bowel movements are totally normal - ewww)
OMEGA said:
I just boutgh StimX for my own reasearch purposes.

if you take 2 and ONCE your nuts

I am 295 at 6'3 and dont take more then 1 a day


My Amplify02 is strong stuff ( fast acting and in and out of the system quickly and safely)


and would never dream of taking more then 1 StimX more then 1 in a 6-8 period

good product it is, but more then 2 at one time . = woah
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honestly I have an exceedingly high tolerance for all types of stimulants from all the years of abusing them. when ephedra was still legal, I was up to taking 6 hydroxycuts 3 times a day (in other words, 18 a day) just to function.
When I started the stimX, I started with only one in the morning f0r a few weeks, then bumped it up to two and have been at two for some months now. I could probably tolerate more than that because of how fucked up my receptors are at this point.
 
have you checked your blood pressure? headaches sometimes are signs of high bp
be careful with that stuff
seriously
 
SoKlueles said:
have you checked your blood pressure? headaches sometimes are signs of high bp
be careful with that stuff
seriously
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not recently. actually last time was when I was really sick over a month ago and it was uncharacteristically high (148/98) and I attributed that to me being sick. I think the headache Im feeling now is from caffeine withdrawal. it's like a dull but constant aching. it only started yesterday.
 
i have a friend that took some otc appetite suppresants she didnt think much about it
and went to the dr for a normal checkup and her bp was so high that they wanted to admit her to the hospital. she had no clue that it was that high
 
UA_Iron said:
I got an ulcer from stimulant abuse

I get that crazy heart palpitation too

its like running an engine on NOS, shit is fast can do more, but will kill it faster.
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Ulcers are caused by H-Pilori bacteria not from stress or stimulants.

Smurfy, it could also be tachycardia. I was anemic for about 3 years and never had heart palpitations. I also suffer severe panic disorder and still never get palpitations. Maybe it's a mix of the stimulatants, anxiety or tachycardia. You really should go see your doc.
Hope you feel better

check out this link
http://www.mayoclinic.org/tachycardia/symptoms.html
 
"You my boy blue!" Thanks for the link.

I think what I'll do is see over the course of the next few days as I detox from these stims, if the symptoms get better, stay the same or get worse. If by Friday I'm still experiencing it, I'll head out to a doctor.
 
Try to stop taking deep long breaths.. That and hyperventilating will cause palpitations. I found this out after I had a heart attack 3 years ago. I kept taking deep breaths because I was having anxiety. Soon as I found this out they stopped immediately. Also check into metoperol if that does not work.



Smurfy said:
Ok, so help me out here.

As you know, I have a pretty extensive history of OTC stimulant use. Most recently, I have been taking 2 StimX every morning - mostly for the 5am workouts, but I also take it on days I dont workout. I've been at this dosage now for many months. I've also noticed over the past months- but moreso recently- that occasionally and out of nowhere, even when Im sitting down doing nothing, I will get this crazy pouding heart beat. Feels like it's pretty much going to beat right out of my chest. It's pretty intense and sometimes I find myself taking deep long breaths to try to deal with it, or calm it down or something. Lately its been getting kind of disturbing too. I'm just like wtf.

Now I know I am prone to Anxiety to some degree, and rapid or pounding heartbeat can be a symptom of that, and with the stimulants, it can all be exacerbated. So today, I decided not to take any stimulants to see if I still get the same symptoms throughout the day. And even without taking stimulants today, Ive had this heavy hard pounding in my chest pretty much for the whole day. Also, I think the heartrate is increased slightly too. At least it feels like it.

So, would this still be an after effect of the stimulants even though I havent taken any today? Wouldnt the effects diminish or extinguish if I dont take them for a day? Or is it more likely that what Im feeling is just the anxiety?

Holy crap was I tired today. I took like 3 naps.
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Ok, I'm gonna save your life here:

Get addicted to green tea, no not the shitty lipton type, get yourself a nice infuser and shop here:

http://www.uptontea.com

that is how I got off everything, I am now addicted to high quality green teas, but I'm guessing the small amount of caffeine is offset by the benefits...

NOW GO>
 
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