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Holy Shit Twice In A Row

the yanks definately need to win this to bring some morale and commerce back to the city. nyc needs it bad.
 
hey guys, i don't think it's any coincedince the yankees are so good and destiny seems to follow them around, just look at who started pitching today a white guy for the yankees and a black guy for the diamondbacks, now i don't know about you but where i come from if the white man doesn't beat the black man we prosecute him for embarrassment to our race, and hang him then we hang the black guy anyway
 
Austin316 said:
I hate the fucking yankees, a bat to Jeters knee sounds good to me

Hey ... are you Jeff Gilooley? You are! We'll keep your secret!

Anyway , I fell asleep! I am such a lightweight! Fortunately, I am TAPING the game!! I need help!
 
Officer Gay said:
hey guys, i don't think it's any coincedince the yankees are so good and destiny seems to follow them around, just look at who started pitching today a white guy for the yankees and a black guy for the diamondbacks, now i don't know about you but where i come from if the white man doesn't beat the black man we prosecute him for embarrassment to our race, and hang him then we hang the black guy anyway

what fucked up place do you come from?
 
Actually DOT, it takes as little as the home plate ump calling the first pitch a ball or a strike to change the entire game and significantly sway the game in one direction or another.
Also a manager that continues to let players play (e.g. Torre-Justice) when there is no earthly reason to suspect that the player will even lay the bat on the ball.
A pitcher hangs one or two curves...
It's not as difficult as you may think...
 
thebabydoc said:
Actually DOT, it takes as little as the home plate ump calling the first pitch a ball or a strike to change the entire game and significantly sway the game in one direction or another.
Also a manager that continues to let players play (e.g. Torre-Justice) when there is no earthly reason to suspect that the player will even lay the bat on the ball.
A pitcher hangs one or two curves...
It's not as difficult as you may think...

Ok so your logic is Torre keeps playing Justice because he is fixing the games? Well why does Kim keep fucking it up for him?

According to your statement you think both teams are in on the fix. Fixing a game is NOT that fucking easy.
 
alot of you are in denial...that usually comes when the team you like never wins or even gets into the playoffs. all of you that are saying the last 2 games are fixed are not yankee fans....actually you're probably met fans cause you're crazy! :p

The yankees have an amazing team. they pay enough for all their players and that is because they know how to win. they have a winning team, winning coaches & managers and winning fans who never give up on our NY team.

YANKEES IN 6
 
1. You are out of your mind if you think that Schilling will or can pitch 9, let alone 7 innings if it gets to Sunday.

2. You are downright delusional if you think Schilling had anything left after inning#7 on Wednesday. Schilling even admitted as much yesterday. Brenly may be a shithead, but what he said was true. It's Garragiola's fault that Brenly has no one else but BK to go to for 3 INNINGS.

3. I am not insinuating that there was a major fix here; I just think that maybe Torre is betting the "under" line

4. And rudedawg, please don't put words in my mouth or infer anything other than what is said. I do not believe that "both teams are in on the fix," my posts discuss changing the odds of the game.

I love the Yankees, but the coaching from Torre is not what we have seen in the past...he is either excessively playing his loyalties or something else is going on.
 
thebabydoc said:
1. You are out of your mind if you think that Schilling will or can pitch 9, let alone 7 innings if it gets to Sunday.
Sure he can



2. You are downright delusional if you think Schilling had anything left after inning#7 on Wednesday. Schilling even admitted as much yesterday. Brenly may be a shithead, but what he said was true. It's Garragiola's fault that Brenly has no one else but BK to go to for 3 INNINGS.

Ya you are right that's why he was throwing harder in the seventh inning than he was the first 6. The last pitches he threw were all above 95mph. Did you watch the game? Did you see when Schilling was pleading with Brenly to go back out? The only reason I and many many others think he came back and said that yesterday was to cover Brenly's ass so that he doesn't catch any more heat.

3. I am not insinuating that there was a major fix here; I just think that maybe Torre is betting the "under" line

LMAO Ya that's it.. Torre is betting on baseball in the most prolific World Series in the most prolific city in the USA right now.

4. And rudedawg, please don't put words in my mouth or infer anything other than what is said. I do not believe that "both teams are in on the fix," my posts discuss changing the odds of the game.

I did not "put" words in your mouth..... you made the references..... and I interpreted them

I love the Yankees, but the coaching from Torre is not what we have seen in the past...he is either excessively playing his loyalties or something else is going on.


I will say I know nothing about betting the odds on baseball but could you explain in what way you think Torre is or is not doing that is hurting his team?
 
Super Girl 22 said:
The yankees have an amazing team. they pay enough for all their players and that is because they know how to win. they have a winning team, winning coaches & managers and winning fans who never give up on our NY team.

YANKEES IN 6

New York has the worst fan loyalty in all sports. If their team is losing, they lose interest. Just look how they abandoned the Mets. Once a team is on the skids, they'll hurl batteries at them.
 
New York has the worst fan loyalty in all sports. If their team is losing, they lose interest. Just look how they abandoned the Mets. Once a team is on the skids, they'll hurl batteries at them.
First of all, that's the Mets you are talking about. As far as NY teams and tradition go, the Mets fall behind the Yankees, Giants, and the Dodgers. Secondly, battery throwing aside (that's Philadelphia) that is not a lack of fan loyalty. That is how New York fans are. And Chicago fans, and Boston fans. It's the personality of East fans to scream, moan, and generally bitch out our teams when they're loosing. Every Yankee, Oriole, Cubs, Red Sox fan I know has been so for 20+ years. And no one abandoned the Mets, those were and are truly fair-weather fans. The Mets suck and they have NO TRADITION, so don't compare them to those other teams. That's why Yankee fans hate the Mets even though they don't compete (unless that's what you'd call last year's fall classic.)

Rude Dawg:
I'm just hoping you're being facetious. When I said Torre was "betting the under", I was using an allegory to drive home my point that his managing this post-season has been, at best, a "hands-off" approach; sort of like saying the referees have money on a football or basketball game when they make a bad call. He shows up with that shit he calls for a lineup and lets the cards play for themselves, expecting that destiny will do as it decides. Fortunately, thus far he has been right. And, with the exception of Game 1's "amazing" Arizona run production, I believe the "under" has won every other game.

As for what he's done...um... let me see...
fastball-hitting Randy Velarde has sat on the bench for 5 games while Atrocious was batting .067. Several instances during and after that 0-8 8K bonanza he left Justice in to bat when a bunt, walk, or CONTACT with the baseball would have been helpful with men on base. That error in right field in game 1 was BEAUTIFUL! Gerald Williams, possibly a big bat- not on the roster. Off a second-string catcher with a 12.3 caught stealing percentage he ran ONCE, in the 1st inning. No hit-and-run, no bunts, steals, NOTHING. In short, the Yankee "run manufacturing machine" was non-existant. And these are not "monday-morning quaterbacking" calls; these comments are/were made before, during, and after- with the Yankees WINNING the series, and even during Seattle and Oakland.

And your comment about Schilling unfortunately shows your lack of understanding about pitching. True fastball pitchers will tend to "gas it up," that is, they'll rear back and throw harder when they have little/nothing left (before you open your mouth about BK, this dosen't count for submarine pitchers or "stoppers"). Problem is, their balls begin to lose movement, which is the only thing that makes them good, because even a single-A rookie minor-leaguer can hit a 105 MPH straight fastball. And, as I said, EVEN SCHILLING SAID HE WAS OUT OF GAS. Cover anyone's ass? Are you kidding me? Look at the last two innings- # of piches, baserunners, etc... at least Brenley's trying to manage. Unfortunately, all that Garragiola gave him are 2 pitchers and 1 hitter.
 
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thebabydoc said:

And your comment about Schilling unfortunately shows your lack of understanding about pitching. True fastball pitchers will tend to "gas it up," that is, they'll rear back and throw harder when they have little/nothing left (before you open your mouth about BK, this dosen't count for submarine pitchers or "stoppers"). Problem is, their balls begin to lose movement, which is the only thing that makes them good, because even a single-A rookie minor-leaguer can hit a 105 MPH straight fastball. And, as I said, EVEN SCHILLING SAID HE WAS OUT OF GAS. Cover anyone's ass? Are you kidding me? Look at the last two innings- # of piches, baserunners, etc... at least Brenley's trying to manage. Unfortunately, all that Garragiola gave him are 2 pitchers and 1 hitter.

Hey before you open your pie hole maybe you should know a little about who you are speaking to. No I don't have a World Series ring but I did pitch professionally for 8 years. Now smart ass I do know just a "little" bit about pitching. How many years did you say you pitched?

What a moronic statement this is, just goes to show what you truely DON'T know about pitching or hell the body in general.

"True fastball pitchers will tend to "gas it up," that is, they'll rear back and throw harder when they have little/nothing left"

Do you even fucking lift? When you are doing squats, if you actually lift and work out all of your body and not just upper body, according to your statement you can lift MORE when you are tired, right? LMAO You are hilarious. Another point is that when a pitcher loses strength he loses velocity and GAINS movement, so again obviously you don't have a clue about what you are talking about. Single A minor leaguers can hit a 105 mph fastball huh? Ya maybe 1 or 2 off of a team might be able to make contact. If you mean they might be able to get a hit off of a guy throwing that hard....yes maybe......hell even a blind duck finds water every once in a while.

BTW Justice is batting .357 off of Schilling with 4 jacks.
"Gerald Williams, possibly a big bat- not on the roster. " LMFAO are you serious????????? Ya a career .259 hitter with 80 Hr's in 2852 AB's... that's what I call a HUGE FUCKING BAT!!!!

"Off a second-string catcher with a 12.3 caught stealing percentage he ran ONCE, in the 1st inning. No hit-and-run, no bunts, steals, NOTHING" That was the third inning ....... wrong again! Are you seeing a pattern here? Maybe O'Neill should have stolen in the first inning....ya that's what you meant.

Another brilliant statement "Every Yankee, Oriole, Cubs, Red Sox fan I know has been so for 20+ years. And no one abandoned the Mets, those were and are truly fair-weather fans. "
You don't know any fans of these teams that haven't been fans for over 20+ years? Shit their fan base is getting old aren't they? Here's is another sports clue for you..... a fair weather fan is one that ONLY roots for their teams when they are doing good. If no one abandoned them they aren't "fair-weather" fans..... they are true fans.

"Fortunately, thus far he has been right. And, with the exception of Game 1's "amazing" Arizona run production, I believe the "under" has won every other game. "
That game one "amazing" run production was off of your buddy Petitte wasn't it? I mean you did pm me this message.......
"my prediction
you are seeing Pettite in my avatar (the guy to the left...), right?

he told me Yanks in 6

3-2 tomorrow- he said that Stanton would let up 2 after he was pulled with 1 on in the 8th "



Stick to what you know about ----"looking up pussies".... it's obvious that you know very very little about the game of baseball, either playing or coaching or managing it. BTW I am heading out to Coach my 8 - 10 kids pitch team..... I will make sure that I try to not let your fucking asinine ideas come into my coaching style.
 
Days of the Tantric said:
rudedawg It's lucky for you I didn't make it down to Arizona last month. I would have made a nice video tape of me hitting a home run off of one of those candy ass fastballs of yours. I would have posted it on my website and given everyone a link.

:D

Uh huh...... I had a total of 3 HR's each year of my last three yrs..... it's hard to lift a low 90's sinker that is a "heavy" ball. But then again with babydoc's logic if I was tired I wouldn't have any movement and would be throwing harder.
 
Days of the Tantric said:


Babydoc
You're speaking out of school about rudedawg. Have you ever pitched in the majors? He has. I believe he has a World Series ring. I'm 34 and i've been pitching high level baseball since high school. Any pitcher who has nothing left, regardless of whether they "gas it up" or not, will show a lower reading on the gun. They will not be throwing harder if their arm has nothing left.

Why don't you tell us where you get your information. When did you pitch? You obviously know more than anyone about this so can we see your credentials?
DOT- It's probably unnecessary to quote my entire passage, but to answer your question, my brother (who I often go to games with) is a former pitcher who is now a professional major-league scout. To add to this "limited" experience, he scouts (and I often go with him) to the games here in ARIZONA. I hope this lends enough credibility to my posts for you and RudeDawg.

By the by DOT, the ARM is the problem, it's NOT the arm. Power pitchers derive the power from their legs- hence Clemen's problems over the last month with his hamstring. You CAN throw faster, only you have to use the weakest part of the equation- the arm.

Let me pose a simple question for you: If Schilling is throwing 98 MPH on his 110th pitch, (something which I have seen him do frequently here in Arizona from DIRECTLY BEHIND HOME PLATE, WITH THE GUN) why is it that his first 75-100 pitches are all 93-96MPH max? By your logic, if he could throw 98MPH at the end, he should be throwing at least that on his first 50 pitches. Hell, by that logic, he should be able to throw 100-105 MPH. The reason is that when he is at the end, has to reach down for more because he cannot control his pitches as well. Another reason why he led the Majors in Home Runs allowed. I stand 110% behind my statement. Backed by FACTS.

RudeDawg: Yes, at 105 MPH, only the best minor leaguers will consistently hit it, but again, that was hyperbole to make a point. You are like a weak liberal, grasping selected words and phrases from well-constructed arguments to bolster your saggingly weak response.

I am sorry if my phrasing of "unfortunately shows your lack of understanding about pitching" was insulting and condescending to a former "professional" such as yourself. But in light of your completely ignorant response, I guess my phraseology was correct. I guess you are one of the reasons they said that pitching in the majors is diluted. Conspicuously absent from your comment on your "professional pitching" credentials are the words MAJOR LEAGUE. Pitching for the single- A Norwich Navigators really doesn't make anyone an expert. Nor would pitching middle-relief for the 1985-1993 San Diego Padres for that matter. Maybe that's why you are now coaching an "8 - 10 kids pitch team" and not DOT's "high level" team. Clearly you have infinite patience to explain things by speculating- "The only reason I and many many others think he [Schilling] came back and said that yesterday was to cover Brenly's ass so that he doesn't catch any more heat "- well,at least that covers your explanation. I can't understand why you're not a broadcaster, manager, or even an owner.

As for the rest of your obnoxiously long-winded and error-laden response, it is almost tiresome to answer so I'll list it in the short form:

1. Justice .357 with 4 Jacks? Sure, SIX YEARS AGO. Like I said before, PAST HISTORY.
Want to look at stats? Look up Gerald Williams v. Randy Johnson. Looks like Babe Ruth!
Sometimes the numbers don't reflect how the player has been playing- pitchers and hitters alike, and numbers from a year ago certainly mean jack shit. Look at Edgar "I OWN the Yankees" in this year's ALCS.

2. "Off a second-string catcher with a 12.3 caught stealing percentage he ran ONCE, in the 1st inning. No hit-and-run, no bunts, steals, NOTHING"
....... wrong again! Are you seeing a pattern here? Maybe O'Neill should have stolen in the first inning....ya that's what you meant." Actually, O'Neil and Jeter were on several times AFTER Soriano got caught stealing, and I believe one result was a ground-out double play, another a strike 3 bunt attempt, well at least one of us actually WATCHED the game. Again, I direct you back to my comment about liberals.

3. You don't know any fans of these teams that haven't been fans for over 20+ years? Shit their fan base is getting old aren't they? Here's is another sports clue for you..... a fair weather fan is one that ONLY roots for their teams when they are doing good. If no one abandoned them they aren't "fair-weather" fans..... they are true fans. I can tell you really did play professional ball, because only a former professional athlete could be this stupid. How to respond...
a) I am 34, my friends and people that I know tend to cluster around this age bracket. I guess we must be old then. And yes, those who are baseball fans have been so for 20+ years. That's how you develop an intricate understanding of the workings of the game such as those elucidated above vis-Ă -vis Schilling. What are you, 28? The Mets won the WS in 1984. That's 17 years ago. Let me put this in monosyllabic words so that you may correctly understand my words:

"no one abandoned
them" means they were not Mets fans to start with; they were only Mets fans due to the fact that the Mets were in the world series (sorry, 2 syllables, could not help it). My point was, and is, that their "true" fans did not leave them, only the aforementioned "fair-weather" fans did. As I stated before, the Yankee hitting this series SUCKS, as it has for the majority of the 2001 post-season. And it ain't the spectacular opposing pitching...

Yankee "hitting" stats through first 5 games:
.177 BA
10 runs scored (includes 2 extra-inning runs- games 4 and 5)
3-for-26 with RISP (includes 1 in 10th inning game 5)

I do believe that Schilling and Johnson's numbers were, (to paraphrase Bob Euker) "just a bit" worse, even against such powerhouses as the Expos.

And that ain't poor loyalty, it's frustration and FACT.

And once again, who cares? That was my response to J-Ro's comment that "New York has the worst fan loyalty in all sports...look how they abandoned the Mets."
Stick to defending your own comments, you seem to be having a hard enough time with those.

and lastly...

4. It was Mussina, not Pettite that gave up 5 runs in 4 innings. Virtually all hits/runs came when he was WAY ahead in the count, 0-2, or 1-2. He had NO spot control and was trying to put strike 3 over. What does this have to do with anything anyway? Oh yes, you were trying to make the point that I was, once again, "wrong" with my facts. Sorry to disappoint. Also, recognize that he was THE ONLY STARTING PITCHER ON THE YANKS WITH NO WORLD SERIES EXPERIENCE. Game 5 shows you what happens when you face Yankee pitching with World Series experience. Pettite did give up 4, in game 2, but after the first dinger, both he and the rest of the Yanks knew it was over with their hitting combined with Johnson's pitching. I'll save an explanation of Torre's complex managerial decision making behind games 1 and 2 for another time as I doubt your "professionally" trained baseball brain would burst at its stitched seams if I further embarrassed you with facts.

I'm off to see Pettite try to win his 5th world series' ring.

RudeDawg, why don't you go and actually WATCH a game, apparently pitching in the minors hasn't offered you a good enough view. I guess I'll expect to see you in my office since I'll still be "looking up pussies" when I'm done with my other passion for the year today.

And DOT, you should know better who to defend or stand behind in debates involving facts and knowledge.​
 
2 clarifications:

1. DOT, you still got the + KArma coming from me:D

2. I did not intend to imply that ALL former (or current) professional athletes are "this stupid", my primary intent was to state that clearly THIS ONE is.
 
DOT:
I haven't tried to prove you wrong and you didn't resort to insulting me so I tried not to insult you other than, an you noted. that "high level" quote. Just because I'm an MS doesn't make me an expert in neurosurgery anf such is the case for Rudedawg's (and, I'm sorry to say, your) expertise. Position playing is one thing, managing another.

I thought I made it clear that these opinions are shared by my brother. In fact, I'm sort of passing them along and as such, you ARE arguing with an Expert. No one called you an "armchair warrior", but I admit, that's what I am, and like I said before, playing the game does not make one an expert.

I agree with you, these are all opinions, monday-morning QB'ing to be exact. As such. they don't call for insults like "stick to looking at pussy". Just because he played the game does NOT make RudeDawg any more or less of an "expert"; for him to think so is arrogant and plain stupid.

Hoping to end and bury this hatchet and enjoy game 7, I would love to go buy the man a beer.

-babydoc
 
thebabydoc said:

In fact, I'm sort of passing them along and as such, you ARE arguing with an Expert. No one called you an "armchair warrior", but I admit, that's what I am, and like I said before, playing the game does not make one an expert.

I agree with you, these are all opinions, monday-morning QB'ing to be exact. As such. they don't call for insults like "stick to looking at pussy". Just because he played the game does NOT make RudeDawg any more or less of an "expert"; for him to think so is arrogant and plain stupid.
LMAO Now I am arrogant and stupid



Hoping to end and bury this hatchet and enjoy game 7, I would love to go buy the man a beer.

Sure I can't wait for that

I'm off to see Pettite try to win his 5th world series' ring.

Oops........who knew his era would be a nice 10?? LMFAO So what is he telling you Stanton is going to do tonight?






-babydoc

Oh shit I didn't realize your brother was a real live professional major-league scout that would make you an EXPERT So what team does your bro scout for? Who did he pitch for? Why would he be scouting at a big league game unless he was an advance scout. And if he were an advance scout he wouldn't be here in AZ all the time now would he. But then again since he is a scout he is an expert. As of now I am tired of arguing with you..... it is quite obvious it is going nowhere and since you can dish out the insults but can't take them it gets tiresome. You do have some good monday-morning q-bing expert advice though.

Have a good one, I mean tell your brother to have a good one and do some more homework. Justice hit .327 in the playoffs .....yes he struck out too much but he did hit 1 bomb and walked 6 times and drove in the same amount of runs. See you aren't going on facts you are going on opinions. And your opinions on pitching and arm strength is completely off. Maybe you and your bro should have a nice sit down chat with a pitching coach some day. By the way I did look up Gerald Williams vs. the Big Unit....... again you are way off....do you just spew shit out or does your bro do it for you? Babe Ruth huh......well ok .233 avg 3 2B and a whopping Babe Ruthian 3 HR's. WOW Maybe you meant those whopping 8 RBI he has or maybe the 11 punchouts??????? I really don't know why I go to this trouble.

Well I am really done now so this is the part where you can throw some more insults out because I will not respond and you will have the last word, kinda like Jim Rome...... he knows it all too, or thinks he does anyway. He thinks that because he talks to professional athletes he knows what goes on in every situation.
 
Rudedawg:

You are truly a fucking moron, rivaled only by strongchick in your moronic persistence and lack of wit and sense of humor. OHMYGOD a starting pitcher gave up some runs and lost a game?!! "LMFAO!!!" Shit, and me here spouting all this stuff about him being 187-0 in his career. Well THAT's egg on my face!

If you and DOT continue to insist that being a scout and getting paid to study and report on pitchers and hitters does not make one more-or-less an expert then really, what other response is there for such bullheaded stupidity...? Go fuck yourself. Those scouts pretty much determine whether or not you have or get a job, asshole. And yes, it's pretty relevant what my brother thinks about a pitcher's arm or lack thereof in the 7th or 8th inning. BECAUSE HE GETS PAID TO TELL OTHERS WHAT HE THINKS AND THEREFORE HIS OPINION HAS VALUE. See, paid=value?

Perhaps your tremendous personality and open-mindedness are what have made you the success you are today; living in a soon-to-be Alzheimer's forgotten past (if you're lucky) and telling us all what an expert you are because you once got paid to PLAY a FUCKING GAME.

What difference did you or will you ever make in anyone's life while playing baseball? Did you visit a sick kid in the hospital once at the direction of your team's PR manager and therefore absolve yourself of all responsibility for being an arrogant piece of shit? Clearly you have been smoking from the same crack pipe that the people who decided that 7-figure salaries are somehow justified for guys who "graduated" from college with a major in baseball and a minor in sheer stupidity. Sorry to wake you up from your daydreaming flashback. You go on back to your dream now and keep believing what guys like DOT are telling you instead of taking a long, hard look in the mirror and seeing your receding hairline and bulging belly and playing "glory days" on your 8-track player.

Sorry, gotta go deliver another baby. Maybe that'll make a difference, huh?


-Jim Rome
 
thebabydoc said:
1. You are out of your mind if you think that Schilling will or can pitch 9, let alone 7 innings if it gets to Sunday.

Ummmmmmmmmm wrong again...........

Had to come in during 7th inning stretch to post this.....BTW did you hear your boy McCarver say Schilling is one of thsoe pitchers who gets stronger as the game goes on? Floyd Bannister was like that too
 
Sorry to gloat but.....

He had nothing the whole game and the Yankee hitting made him look like Cy Young yet again. Atrocious continuing to swing at nothing but balls, Posada...scary is all i can say. But you can't get away with crap like that for 7+ innings on what was left on that tired old arm...

Let's see if Mo can finish 'em off. Extra innings would be great so that we can see what mullet man has (or hasn't) got.
 
Days of the Tantric said:
Hope you're right man. His splitter looked flat last inning.

Nope we all new he wasn't going 9........ but he made it to the 7th. What was Johnson's fastest pitch? I turned it off when I saw Rivera coming in.......game/set/match with that dude.
 
thebabydoc said:
Sorry to gloat but.....

He had nothing the whole game and the Yankee hitting made him look like Cy Young yet again. Atrocious continuing to swing at nothing but balls, Posada...scary is all i can say. But you can't get away with crap like that for 7+ innings on what was left on that tired old arm...

Let's see if Mo can finish 'em off. Extra innings would be great so that we can see what mullet man has (or hasn't) got.

Nothing the whole game??? LMAO ya those 95+ mph faastballs are nothing? Jesus! Ask your bro what the average fastball in the big leagues is?

Mean while I am putting the kids to bed....kinda like Mo is doing to the D'Backs.
 
We gonna go there again? He was grooving them after the 3rd, These are Major league hitters. The yankee hitting sucks. This win was bullshit and should break every record for lowest offensive numbers for a winning team.
 
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