holy c**t. read this message board about demons

[big_bad_buff]

holy cunt. read this message board about demons

http://pub130.ezboard.com/fembracingmysteryfrm3.showMessage?topicID=453.topic

 

[Heahy Minister]

No way sounds too scary for me.

 

[Slated]

If you believe in Christ, then that board is nothing but laughable.

All I could think while reading that was, how sad od a life those people must be believing that they have no free will and their lives are controlled by the demons.

 

[Cuthbert]

They deleted the word 'cunt' off my thread title last night.

Let's hope they don't do that to yours.

 

[KillahBee]

If you believe in Christ, then that board is nothing but laughable.

All I could think while reading that was, how sad od a life those people must be believing that they have no free will and their lives are controlled by the demons.

Hopefully this won't turn into a religious debate, BUT, if you believe in Christ and the Bible then you are plain ignorant if you doubt any other religion or odd "out of this world" shit. If you truly believe that all that crazy shit the Bible describes actually happened, then you have to allow that aliens, demons, Satan and pod people can all be real.

 

[big_bad_buff]

Why did you just say all that ignorant religious bashing garbage out of the blue if you’re hoping this wont turn into a religious debate

Hopefully this won't turn into a religious debate, BUT, if you believe in Christ and the Bible then you are plain ignorant if you doubt any other religion or odd "out of this world" shit. If you truly believe that all that crazy shit the Bible describes actually happened, then you have to allow that aliens, demons, Satan and pod people can all be real.

 

[Slated]

The Bible has history to support it, more so than any other religion. Everything else you mentioned has a rabbit fart to support it.

 

[Beachbum1546]

The Bible has history to support it, more so than any other religion. Everything else you mentioned has a rabbit fart to support it.

i am not real knowledgeable about the bible and things so i was hoping if you can answer a question i have. if adam and eve were the first two people put on earth, how did they populate the rest of earth? obviously they had kids but wouldn't that lead to a bunch of incest to populate the earth? and in spanish/english/egyptian dynasties incest was very common to keep the "royal blood line" and that nearly always ended up in retardation and other problems like that. so why didnt that happen to adam and eve's decendents?

 

[PoyeBoy]

i am not real knowledgeable about the bible and things so i was hoping if you can answer a question i have. if adam and eve were the first two people put on earth, how did they populate the rest of earth? obviously they had kids but wouldn't that lead to a bunch of incest to populate the earth? and in spanish/english/egyptian dynasties incest was very common to keep the "royal blood line" and that nearly always ended up in retardation and other problems like that. so why didnt that happen to adam and eve's decendents?

adam and eve are made up, just like noahs ark and other stories

 

[Beachbum1546]

adam and eve are made up, just like noahs ark and other stories

shhh i want the christian folk to answer

 

[big_bad_buff]

there probably wasnt retardation etc back then, this is probably a Precaution he made to inforce this law after the world was populated. if God has the power to create the entire Universe with a thought, He probably knew what was doing with our genetic code. i dont know dude sounds pretty gross to me as well, but there probably wasnt any difference back then.

http://www.whatischristianity.org.uk/Bible_answers/adam_and_eve_and_incest.htm

i am not real knowledgeable about the bible and things so i was hoping if you can answer a question i have. if adam and eve were the first two people put on earth, how did they populate the rest of earth? obviously they had kids but wouldn't that lead to a bunch of incest to populate the earth? and in spanish/english/egyptian dynasties incest was very common to keep the "royal blood line" and that nearly always ended up in retardation and other problems like that. so why didnt that happen to adam and eve's decendents?

 

[JerseyDevil]

and if you are catholic (which is how I was raised) demons are very real... there are even priest that specialize in demonology... if you believe in god you have to believe in the devil... for every good there is a bad (aka YING and YANG)

but as far as that board is concerned its bull shit... these people act like they can call on demons and things like that... if you could call on a demon it would happen only once because you would be dead

 

[big_bad_buff]

I agree, demons and evil is very real, I do not agree what you said about the board though. you would be surprised how many people actually contact and interact with demons. Demons are not all about destruction and killing, they’re job is to do whatever it takes to bring you to hell. This being scaring you, enticing you, giving you power, showing themselves to you, communicating to you through a variety of ways, such as the Ouija board etc. Why do you think everyone on that board was interested in knowinng why that guy wanted demon names and was warning him?

I guarantee if you look up a “real” spell, or a way to evoke one of those demons, it will come after you, there is no doubt in my mind

and if you are catholic (which is how I was raised) demons are very real... there are even priest that specialize in demonology... if you believe in god you have to believe in the devil... for every good there is a bad (aka YING and YANG)

but as far as that board is concerned its bull shit... these people act like they can call on demons and things like that... if you could call on a demon it would happen only once because you would be dead

 

[VitalRemains]

Demons are cool man

 

[KillahBee]

The Bible has history to support it, more so than any other religion. Everything else you mentioned has a rabbit fart to support it.

So history tells us that there is an invisible being in some other world that controls everything and has all the power in the universe? And historical FACT says that a man died then was ressurected?

I am not bashing any religion, u ignorant bastards. All I am saying is that, if you have the ability to step away from your beliefs and look at any religion from the outside, you will see that it can boil down to masses of people chanting and giving praise to an invisible all-powerful creature that will ulitmately decide their fate, all while lining up to eat a mystical body and drink his blood. Just saying that if you believe all that (and that is fine if you do) you
can't discount any other out-of-this world type of belief like demons or aliens.

And what is the Bible anyway????? A bunch of stories that were passed down from generation to generation until someone decided to write down THEIR version.

I don't mean to disresepct anyone's beliefs, I am just attempting to look at things a little differently than what has always been taught to me.

 

[Slated]

it has been in a written version for thousands of years. please refer to the dead sea scrolls if you were not aware of this.

 

[Ashamed]

If you believe in Christ, then that is nothing but laughable.

 

[big_bad_buff]

It's so amusing to read what you ignorant Jesus bashers say on this board time after time. everything you guys write is so uneducated and far from the truth it is hilarious, it's not even worth replying to. go read the bible and do some research, then bash it so you at least know what your talking about when you make yourself look stupid. next you're going to say you believe in evolution

 

[KillahBee]

It's so amusing to read what you ignorant Jesus bashers say on this board time after time. everything you guys write is so uneducated and far from the truth it is hilarious, it's not even worth replying to. go read the bible and do some research, then bash it so you at least know what your talking about when you make yourself look stupid. next you're going to say you believe in evolution

If that was directed towards me, then pick out a direct quote from one of my posts that is "Jesus bashing". Then we'll see who is ignorant.

 

[Imnotdutcheither]

It's so amusing to read what you ignorant Jesus bashers say on this board time after time. everything you guys write is so uneducated and far from the truth it is hilarious, it's not even worth replying to. go read the bible and do some research, then bash it so you at least know what your talking about when you make yourself look stupid. next you're going to say you believe in evolution

Interesting post BBB. Just to make a point........in a hopefully more respectful way than others are.

You are levelling a criticism at those who criticise you. I might add that you have a point in many cases. However, in the past a similar criticism might well have been directed at you when you were criticising evolution.

Quite often people hold a particular belief because they are ignorant aobut the alternatives. How many people can really say that they have considered all ofthe alternatives critically and arrrived at the only possible conclusion?

 

[Code]

Oh boy a new board to troll!!!

 

[big_bad_buff]

No, it wasn’t directed towards you, but after reading your post, I can see that you have a very limited understanding of religion and history. What is the bible anyways? Have you ever read it? have you ever studied it, are you saying the stuff you are without any understanding of it and the history behind it? are you denying Jesus and the stories and people in the bible all together? I’m a bit confused here. I’m not a big religion fan myself, and what you said about all religions boiling down to a certain point makes sense, but doesn’t it makes sense that there is one? And many that branched off of it, and that were altered to whom ever that person desired.

If that was directed towards me, then pick out a direct quote from one of my posts that is "Jesus bashing". Then we'll see who is ignorant.

 

[big_bad_buff]

Sure, they might have, but I don’t remember any that I was lacking knowledge in. I’m no expert on religion or evolution, but I have a fair amount of knowledge in religion/bible and the history of it, along with all the other major world religions. I have also studying evolution and try to stay up to date as much as possible with what evolutionist strongest arguments are, such as Human chromosome 2 and Retro-viral insertions which I believe to be their most recent and up to date arguments, and is what I’m starting to research as of now when I have time.

Interesting post BBB. Just to make a point........in a hopefully more respectful way than others are.

You are levelling a criticism at those who criticise you. I might add that you have a point in many cases. However, in the past a similar criticism might well have been directed at you when you were criticising evolution.

Quite often people hold a particular belief because they are ignorant aobut the alternatives. How many people can really say that they have considered all ofthe alternatives critically and arrrived at the only possible conclusion?

 

[Imnotdutcheither]

Sure, they might have, but I don’t remember any that I was lacking knowledge in. I’m no expert on religion or evolution, but I have a fair amount of knowledge in religion/bible and the history of it, along with all the other major world religions. I have also studying evolution and try to stay up to date as much as possible with what evolutionist strongest arguments are, such as Human chromosome 2 and Retro-viral insertions which I believe to be their most recent and up to date arguments, and is what I’m starting to research as of now when I have time.

I take my hat off to yuo for continuing to read around the subject. Too many people claim to be experts and fail to improve upon their knowledge.

Presumably you are going to re-evaluate your opinions based upon this research? If so I fail to see why you mentioned belief in evolution followed by the laughing smilie. Mebbe I missed the point of that?

 

[big_bad_buff]

Evolution is an excuse, this is why I laugh. Anyone can see this once they step outside ”the box” and actually research it. I have yet to come across an ounce of any type of evidence to support these claims and theories that evolutionist believe in. I can honestly say I have never seen anything that is anywhere close to support this theory that is plausible. I find it ridiculous that it is referred to as a science

I take my hat off to yuo for continuing to read around the subject. Too many people claim to be experts and fail to improve upon their knowledge.

Presumably you are going to re-evaluate your opinions based upon this research? If so I fail to see why you mentioned belief in evolution followed by the laughing smilie. Mebbe I missed the point of that?

 

[Imnotdutcheither]

Evolution is an excuse, this is why I laugh. Anyone can see this once they step outside ”the box” and actually research it. I have yet to come across an ounce of any type of evidence to support these claims and theories that evolutionist believe in. I can honestly say I have never seen anything that is anywhere close to support this theory that is plausible. I find it ridiculous that it is referred to as a science

Of course you are entitled to your opinion........and I am not about to get into this because we have been there before and got nowhere. However, in openly ridiculing people with such statements you dont do much in terms of persuading people of your opinion. Ridicule is often used to cover up lack of knowledge........just a thought.

 

[winny100]

Heres some shite from the demon site below

Cats, in all actuality, or at least IME as well in the older days of history, used to/still do, fight deamons. This is one reason why your cats can see things you may not be able to. My own personal cats are quite the warriors and will from time to time chase around a minor little minion that finds its way into my home. They play with them just as they would play with mice. However if you ever see a cat in front of a major deamon or something grossly unholy and not right, they will get down and serious. On the astral I have witnessed my cat, Tai, take down a deamon twice his size, quite impressive. Also an odd thing, cat's astral forms tend to be dragonic in nature. Check it out sometimes, analize the similarities.
-Strange

 

[Code]

What?!
You didn't know this?

Come on, cats are the oldest of demon fighters. Everyone knows those the scottish fold cat is damn near the best demon killer in the astral plane!

Heres some shite from the demon site below

Cats, in all actuality, or at least IME as well in the older days of history, used to/still do, fight deamons. This is one reason why your cats can see things you may not be able to. My own personal cats are quite the warriors and will from time to time chase around a minor little minion that finds its way into my home. They play with them just as they would play with mice. However if you ever see a cat in front of a major deamon or something grossly unholy and not right, they will get down and serious. On the astral I have witnessed my cat, Tai, take down a deamon twice his size, quite impressive. Also an odd thing, cat's astral forms tend to be dragonic in nature. Check it out sometimes, analize the similarities.
-Strange

 

[SAGAT]

those names listed, a lot of those are from video games...soul calibur, morrowind, final fantasy. hmmmm

 

[Code]

http://pub130.ezboard.com/fembracingmysteryfrm3.showMessage?topicID=638.topic

 

[big_bad_buff]

I don’t see where I ridiculed anyone. in all honesty, I’m not trying to persuade anyone here, I just wanted to post this thread about demons so a few bors that were talking about seeing ghosts and such could see it, that is all.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion........and I am not about to get into this because we have been there before and got nowhere. However, in openly ridiculing people with such statements you dont do much in terms of persuading people of your opinion. Ridicule is often used to cover up lack of knowledge........just a thought.

 

[big_bad_buff]

yeah i thought that was funny too. it was twice his size? lol

On the astral I have witnessed my cat, Tai, take down a deamon twice his size, quite impressive.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

As much as I like the paranormal,that demon shit gives me the willys,lol.

 

[Code]

Yeah, shit. Twice the size of a cat.... that's like 10-15 pound demon.

yeah i thought that was funny too. it was twice his size? lol

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

As much as I like the paranormal,that demon shit gives me the willys,lol.

Huck, I think you should do some deep thinking, because a lot of paranormal entities would cause you.....let me think of a PC way of saying it.....Nope can't be done.......You will shit your pants! But if your lucky and it's just a local drunk pledge in a bed sheet then at least you can use it as TP and wipe your ass!

 

[Beachbum1546]

Evolution is an excuse, this is why I laugh. Anyone can see this once they step outside ”the box” and actually research it. I have yet to come across an ounce of any type of evidence to support these claims and theories that evolutionist believe in. I can honestly say I have never seen anything that is anywhere close to support this theory that is plausible. I find it ridiculous that it is referred to as a science

cool, pretty interesting. do u know any specific rational theories that are "laughable"? i know you arent an expert on it but you said u try to keep yourself up to date. so, is there a specific case that pops in your head that is a good theory or idea but fails to be proven or has more evidence to the opposition? thanks bro.

 

[Code]

Oh man, this board is fun to troll.

Too bad it moves slower than CM.

 

[big_bad_buff]

The whole theory of macroevolution. Don’t get me wrong, it sounds good, and is a good theory/guess, but there is no truth or facts behind anything to do with evolution at all, and I say this without comparing it to(many people try to turn these conversations into a creation vs evolution debate) religion, the bible, creation, god or anything, just by researching it, and it alone, it fails miserably to show any facts, proof, evidence etc. so no, I can’t really give you a specific case that I’m looking at because once I look at a certain subject/case/evidence and find that it is riddled with errors or is just simply not true, I discard it with the rest. Sorry bro. if you’d like to post something up that you think is strong evidence that’s cool to, I’ be glad to look at it.

cool, pretty interesting. do u know any specific rational theories that are "laughable"? i know you arent an expert on it but you said u try to keep yourself up to date. so, is there a specific case that pops in your head that is a good theory or idea but fails to be proven or has more evidence to the opposition? thanks bro.

 

[Code]

OMG!!!
They have a live chat area.

And it's free!!!

 

[Beachbum1546]

The whole theory of macroevolution. Don’t get me wrong, it sounds good, and is a good theory/guess, but there is no truth or facts behind anything to do with evolution at all, and I say this without comparing it to(many people try to turn these conversations into a creation vs evolution debate) religion, the bible, creation, god or anything, just by researching it, and it alone, it fails miserably to show any facts, proof, evidence etc. so no, I can’t really give you a specific case that I’m looking at because once I look at a certain subject/case/evidence and find that it is riddled with errors or is just simply not true, I discard it with the rest. Sorry bro. if you’d like to post something up that you think is strong evidence that’s cool to, I’ be glad to look at it.

so what exactly is macroevolution? it sounds like single celled orgainisms ovolving into multicellular. is that right? gimme the rundown of what it is and why it's dumb. sorry to bother you if i am but i think it is interesting i would like to learn.

 

[big_bad_buff]

where?

OMG!!!
They have a live chat area.

And it's free!!!

 

[Code]

where?

Right at the top of their page.

Says "Live Chat"

 

[big_bad_buff]

oh their board? le's go in there and you act like you're being attacked by a demon, and i will act like the demon, start making noises and shit

Right at the top of their page.

Says "Live Chat"

 

[Code]

oh their board? le's go in there and you act like you're being attacked by a demon, and i will act like the demon, start making noises and shit

Been there for about 20 minutes man.

I'm going for the wolf in sheeps clothing approach.

Win them over and post up my results here.

 

[KillahBee]

Make us proud brolies!!

 

[big_bad_buff]

what's your handle? pos up the link i want to see it, or are you chatting live? lol

Been there for about 20 minutes man.

I'm going for the wolf in sheeps clothing approach.

Win them over and post up my results here.

 

[Code]

what's your handle? pos up the link i want to see it, or are you chatting live? lol

pkcs11

 

[big_bad_buff]

cant find the live chat thing

 

[Ashamed]

wheres the link numbnuts?

 

[big_bad_buff]

HAHAHAHHAA

Occupation :: Soul Collection Services
Hobbies :: Collecting unwanted souls. Summoning the Great Olde Ones.

 

[Code]

http://pub130.ezboard.com/bembracingmystery

It's the thingy that says "Join Live Chat".

 

[saint808]

Yeah, shit. Twice the size of a cat.... that's like 10-15 pound demon.

hey now... my cat was 16 lbs... and all natural... so it could have easily been fighting 32 lb demons.... well in betwee naps and eating and shitting.

 

[Imnotdutcheither]

Quick note to all before I go read some more on the demons board:

This post is wishful thinking on BBBs part.

Myself and BBB have got into it over this before and he can never show me where the problem with the theory is. Do a search if you are interested. Or it is worth speaking to Lift Chief because he is very knowledgable about the arguments and analyses them critically.

Ask BBB for specifics and they dont appear (but start a new thread if you are going to do this so this one stays on track). Ask about similarities in form, genetic similarities etc and no worthwhile answer comes.

Bottomline: Research is only worthwhile if you approach it with an open mind.

The whole theory of macroevolution. Don’t get me wrong, it sounds good, and is a good theory/guess, but there is no truth or facts behind anything to do with evolution at all, and I say this without comparing it to(many people try to turn these conversations into a creation vs evolution debate) religion, the bible, creation, god or anything, just by researching it, and it alone, it fails miserably to show any facts, proof, evidence etc. so no, I can’t really give you a specific case that I’m looking at because once I look at a certain subject/case/evidence and find that it is riddled with errors or is just simply not true, I discard it with the rest. Sorry bro. if you’d like to post something up that you think is strong evidence that’s cool to, I’ be glad to look at it.

 

[big_bad_buff]

How about you and I have a debate? Or me and you and two others, or a set amount of people so it doesn’t get confusing and we don’t have trolls coming in who know nothing of the matter. Or you and I can email back and forth. I don’t see how this will go anywhere anyways. The fact is, I can tear apart 99% of the evidence you bring up, but that 1% that is true or might be, that doesn’t mean evolution is, and you will say it is all the proof that is needed. The fact is, if evolution did take place, there should be tons of evidence to support it, and there simply is not. How about we each spend $40 bucks, and we each get to choose a book for the other person to buy and read?(with an open mind) I’ll spend some cash if you know of a good book to pick up, will you? whatever bor, I’ll go any route you’d like.

Quick note to all before I go read some more on the demons board:

This post is wishful thinking on BBBs part.

Myself and BBB have got into it over this before and he can never show me where the problem with the theory is. Do a search if you are interested. Or it is worth speaking to Lift Chief because he is very knowledgable about the arguments and analyses them critically.

Ask BBB for specifics and they dont appear (but start a new thread if you are going to do this so this one stays on track). Ask about similarities in form, genetic similarities etc and no worthwhile answer comes.

Bottomline: Research is only worthwhile if you approach it with an open mind.

 

[Ashamed]

jesus sucky fucky

 

[Imnotdutcheither]

Because as you know we have been there before.......several times. And as you know, you usually duck the arguments and resort to name calling.

Bottom line, you really cant tear apart the evidence because whenever you try it and I refute it you ignore the answers.

It is impossible to debate with you. The minute you have to re-evaluate your opinions it all goes pear shaped. There is the problem. The very fact that you laugh at the idea of evolution makes that point nicely.........you have closed your mind to it as an idea.

Oh and I am sure that I really dont need to remind you that very little can be proven in this world........in science or otherwise. We form theories that are the best fit to the evidence. That is a point that you insist on missing.

How about you and I have a debate? Or me and you and two others, or a set amount of people so it doesn’t get confusing and we don’t have trolls coming in who know nothing of the matter. Or you and I can email back and forth. I don’t see how this will go anywhere anyways. The fact is, I can tear apart 99% of the evidence you bring up, but that 1% that is true or might be, that doesn’t mean evolution is, and you will say it is all the proof that is needed. The fact is, if evolution did take place, there should be tons of evidence to support it, and there simply is not. How about we each spend $40 bucks, and we each get to choose a book for the other person to buy and read?(with an open mind) I’ll spend some cash if you know of a good book to pick up, will you? whatever bor, I’ll go any route you’d like.

 

[Ashamed]

if there was such a thing as evolution

wouldn't we have retained the ability to suck our own cocks?

 

[big_bad_buff]

In this world? So Where else could this huge amount of proof be that is needed to support your religion? You guys jump to pretty big conclusions for no evidence at all. this irritates me to no end, I don’t see how people who seem to be intelligent could actually believe in something so much with no proof or evidence to support it. how can you actually explain this to people with a straight face? The whole theory of evolution is exactly like the Nebraska man that was based off of a tooth of a pig. Big conclusion, with little evidence, that turned out to be no evidence.

You said I go into to debates without an open mind, you are incorrect, I’m open and willing to learn, but your trying to persuade someone without any proof, no evidence, it’s a speculation, assumption, theory, a guess. Why would I believe in someone’s story they made up? I want solid proof and evidence that should be everywhere in the world without a doubt if evolution did took place, you shouldn’t even have to look for it, it should be everywhere.

Shall I post the improbabilities of evolution? what else does it take for you to see this?

Oh and I am sure that I really dont need to remind you that very little can be proven in this world........in science or otherwise. We form theories that are the best fit to the evidence. That is a point that you insist on missing.

 

[big_bad_buff]

this takes billions and billions of years of trying, and you have to make your kids try and their kids etc, until one day, your great grandson^99999 will be a cock sucking machine

if there was such a thing as evolution

wouldn't we have retained the ability to suck our own cocks?

 

[Slated]

where's the live chat?

 

[winny100]

why be scared , if a demon can have its ass kicked by a cat 50% of its size

 

[winny100]

heres another thread from the demon site, i seem to have taken an unhealthy interest in this site




I have a question. I found this site off a google search. on another board people were dicussing bizarre things that have happened, of which brought up something from my past. I decided to see if i could find anything about this name.

One was witha oujia board about 13-15 years ago. My cousin came in contact with a spirit/demon who called itself ReRA. I believe that to be correct, could be rerea or a variant. It was something my father had saw about 20 years before that time in florida. Basically this huge thing took up a doorway (seemed taller) and scared the shit outta him. Some other things happened but my mother at that time was frozen still facing a different way. She could hear all and knew something was terribly wrong but couldn't turn her head. Supposedly she was being protected by a guardian spirit.


I was using the oujia board for fun at a young age and so did some of my friends (although they didnt want to most of the time, and i was always willing). A spirit had contacted us and was talking about my father in around about way. Told us a little bit of which i ran and talked to my mother and she admitted to some of it. This encouraged me to set a time for my cousin to use the oujia infront of my parents and my sister to verify the whole thing and see if this spirit knew my father. My sister called out letters as my mother wrote them (it moved very fast). My father held a newspaper infront of jeff's head and jeff turned his head to the side. I turned the board slowly in a circle to avoid jeff from guessing letters.

With all of this occuring this spirit said alot and my father verified it. Lastly, because i wanted to know what it looked like and instead of it explaining on the board it somehow put a mental image in my cousin jeff's head of its appearence. He drew it out and my father was shocked and admited it was just as he saw it 20 years ago.


I was wondering if that name meant anything to anyone or if you could point me in a direction to someone who might know anything about it.





Hi curiousmike,

I wasnt discarding your story, i just didnt think that i could be very helpful. What i have is more of a feeling about it and i dont know if its much help but ill try.

I think this may be ancient egyptian related; the exact name Rera occurs somewhere in the book of the dead (i have a strong interest in ancient egypt because of my belief that i had a past life there). In short ill explain the connections im making and why i *think* that it is Rera who has the power to raise and/or reanimate the deceased; he is refered to as the "dweller" of the place where Osiris (the lord of the underworld's) dismembered body was reconstructed and brought back to life according, to egyptian mythology.

Gut feeling; this is not cool and its not something that i would want in my house, but i would suggest that you look into ancient egyptian mythology if you want to find out more about this entity. Start with Osiris and it should lead you to Rera. Of course, it might be something else entirely, but that was what i thought of when i read your story.

And be careful next time, k?

 

[Imnotdutcheither]

There you go again.........typical BBB. Blanket statements galore and closed mind (so closed that you cant even humour the thought that you have a closed mind).

When you come up with something new give me a shout.........for something new you might consider finding the work by the National Academy on evolution.

In this world? So Where else could this huge amount of proof be that is needed to support your religion? You guys jump to pretty big conclusions for no evidence at all. this irritates me to no end, I don’t see how people who seem to be intelligent could actually believe in something so much with no proof or evidence to support it. how can you actually explain this to people with a straight face? The whole theory of evolution is exactly like the Nebraska man that was based off of a tooth of a pig. Big conclusion, with little evidence, that turned out to be no evidence.

You said I go into to debates without an open mind, you are incorrect, I’m open and willing to learn, but your trying to persuade someone without any proof, no evidence, it’s a speculation, assumption, theory, a guess. Why would I believe in someone’s story they made up? I want solid proof and evidence that should be everywhere in the world without a doubt if evolution did took place, you shouldn’t even have to look for it, it should be everywhere.

Shall I post the improbabilities of evolution? what else does it take for you to see this?

 

[big_bad_buff]

we can go back and forth all day. remember what your buddy said? "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it"(that is psycology, and it is true)" mix a lie(evolution) in with truth(science) and who will doubt it if everything else in science is correct. the best way to kill a rat is to mix a little rat poision in with a lot of food.

There you go again

 

[Imnotdutcheither]

we can go back and forth all day. remember what your buddy said? "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it"(that is psycology, and it is true)" mix a lie(evolution) in with truth(science) and who will doubt it if everything else in science is correct. the best way to kill a rat is to mix a little rat poision in with a lot of food.

Oh we arent going back and forth..........you have a closed mind and you just keep on proving it. As such your 'research' is worthless.

BTW a lie is a deliberate untruth. The people who believe in evolution do not believe it to be untrue so it can not be a lie. Science is not necessarily truth........it is a way of looking at the world. Scientific theories are constantly under review so it can not represent the ultimate truth.

 

[chrisoh]

I'll believe in god if I actually see it with my two eyes, just like everything else i believe in.. but until then, it is as real to me as the toothfairy.

 

[winny100]

ChrisOh , i agree with you 100% , if you never see it why beleive in it.

 

[Fonz]

The Bible has history to support it, more so than any other religion. Everything else you mentioned has a rabbit fart to support it.

History??

The bible is written from second and normally third-hand knowledge of the situations it describes. Hardly factual.

Its an exagerrated work of fiction.

Fonz

 

[big_bad_buff]

science is very much true, I love science, what makes you think it's not?

Science is not necessarily truth........it is a way of looking at the world. Scientific theories are constantly under review so it can not represent the ultimate truth.

 

[big_bad_buff]

whose talking about god? or did you just want to share that with us?

I'll believe in god if I actually see it with my two eyes, just like everything else i believe in.. but until then, it is as real to me as the toothfairy.

 

[big_bad_buff]

My point exactly, thank you, so good to see another bro that is intelligent enough not to believe in evolution

ChrisOh , i agree with you 100% , if you never see it why beleive in it.

 

[tiger88]

damn thats whack

 

[Imnotdutcheither]

science is very much true, I love science, what makes you think it's not?

Science is about explaining what we detect in a coherent way. It is an explanation. Science has been wrong in the past.......as such it is not necessarily the absolute truth (was that really an attempt by you to twist things around) it is just our best interpretation of what we see / hear or otherwise detect.

We keep coming back to this same point over and over........why are you struggling to understand that science does not deal in facts or absolutre truth?

 

[big_bad_buff]

why do you keep saying science instead of evolution?

Science is about explaining what we detect in a coherent way. It is an explanation. Science has been wrong in the past.......as such it is not necessarily the absolute truth (was that really an attempt by you to twist things around) it is just our best interpretation of what we see / hear or otherwise detect.

We keep coming back to this same point over and over........why are you struggling to understand that science does not deal in facts or absolutre truth?

 

[Imnotdutcheither]

why do you keep saying science instead of evolution?

Here is why.......I was responding to this post:

"mix a lie(evolution) in with truth(science) and who will doubt it if everything else in science is correct. the best way to kill a rat is to mix a little rat poision in with a lot of food."

You dont seem to understand the basis of science. Also, evolution is a scientific theory whether you like it or not........so you managed to contradict yourself in this post. Let me explain that........evolutionary theory is an attempt to explain various things that we detect. That is what science is all about.

Round and round in circles we go.........I wonder when you will finally grasp this.

 

[big_bad_buff]

Science:
The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.

Macroevolution:
Large-scale evolution occurring over geologic time that results in the formation of new taxonomic groups. (which I might ad that is Unobservable, it has never been seen before, therefore you cannot test it, see it, or study it, correct?)

do you see my point now?

Here is why.......I was responding to this post:

"mix a lie(evolution) in with truth(science) and who will doubt it if everything else in science is correct. the best way to kill a rat is to mix a little rat poision in with a lot of food."

You dont seem to understand the basis of science. Also, evolution is a scientific theory whether you like it or not........so you managed to contradict yourself in this post. Let me explain that........evolutionary theory is an attempt to explain various things that we detect. That is what science is all about.

Round and round in circles we go.........I wonder when you will finally grasp this.

 

[Imnotdutcheither]

In the scientific community an observation is the collection of any piece of evidence. You do not have to perform an experiment if the evidence already exists. For instance, noticing similarity in forms is an observation.

This is a common mistake made by those who are looking into the scientific community rather than taking part in it.

Do you see my point now??

Science:
The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.

Macroevolution:
Large-scale evolution occurring over geologic time that results in the formation of new taxonomic groups. (which I might ad that is Unobservable, it has never been seen before, therefore you cannot test it, see it, or study it, correct?)

do you see my point now?

 

[big_bad_buff]

and here we are once again, you claiming there is evedence

In the scientific community an observation is the collection of any piece of evidence. You do not have to perform an experiment if the evidence already exists. For instance, noticing similarity in forms is an observation.

This is a common mistake made by those who are looking into the scientific community rather than taking part in it.

Do you see my point now??

 

[Tiervexx]

those names listed, a lot of those are from video games...soul calibur, morrowind, final fantasy. hmmmm

Other way around. Video games take names from old stories and mythology.

 

[Imnotdutcheither]

and here we are once again, you claiming there is evedence

Let me put it another way........scientists have made observations that have led to a theory being formed. The thoery was formed in a logical manner based on these observations. These observations are evidence.

Geez you are trying so hard at this huh........how many more things do I have to explain about science and the way it works?

 

[Imnotdutcheither]

Other way around. Video games take names from old stories and mythology.

How'd you know........maybe the demon parents are big fans of video games??

 

[SAGAT]

Other way around. Video games take names from old stories and mythology.

i thought as much....or maybe demons invented nintendo i dunno lol

 

[[email protected]]

Very much agreed on all points.

Now I just copied all the Demon names to my clipboard from the web page. It will take me near an hour to summon them all.

So history tells us that there is an invisible being in some other world that controls everything and has all the power in the universe? And historical FACT says that a man died then was ressurected?

I am not bashing any religion, u ignorant bastards. All I am saying is that, if you have the ability to step away from your beliefs and look at any religion from the outside, you will see that it can boil down to masses of people chanting and giving praise to an invisible all-powerful creature that will ulitmately decide their fate, all while lining up to eat a mystical body and drink his blood. Just saying that if you believe all that (and that is fine if you do) you
can't discount any other out-of-this world type of belief like demons or aliens.

And what is the Bible anyway????? A bunch of stories that were passed down from generation to generation until someone decided to write down THEIR version.

I don't mean to disresepct anyone's beliefs, I am just attempting to look at things a little differently than what has always been taught to me.

 

[Spartacus]

they need a mortician to troll thier boards..any ideas for a nick?

 

[Code]

they need a mortician to troll thier boards..any ideas for a nick?

I think the mortician is currently over at FG.

{rimshot}

 

[Imnotdutcheither]

I was reading some ofthe posts over there.........they struggle with even basic info. For example, somebody asked what the names of the sons of Satan were. They couldnt even decide on whether they existed. Somebody even said 'I dont know so I just say all hail Satan and his four sons'. WTF??

It is all about image for them.........oh and it seems owning a cat is the answer to all of your problems

 

[Spartacus]

FG?..seems they already have a resident mortician over at "hail satan"

 

[winny100]

maybe rera the dweller of the place where the lord of the underworlds dismembered body was found will visit me tonite

good job my cat has not had the chop

LOL

 

[big_bad_buff]

Let me put it another way

Suppose a man walks up to you and says "I'm a billionaire."
You say "Prove it." He says "ok", and he points across the street at a bank. "My money is in that bank there." (The bank is closed.)
You say "What does that prove?" He says "Everyone knows banks have money in them" You say "I know there is money in the bank, but why should I believe that it's YOUR money?"
"Because it's GREEN" he says. "What else can you show me?"
He reaches in his pocket and pulls out a penny. "See -- I'm a billionaire." You're still skeptical. 'What does that prove?', you ask. "I'M A BILLIONAIRE" he states loudly (obviously annoyed that you would question him). He reaches in another pocket and pulls out another penny, "Do you believe me now?"

The proof for evolution is like pennies. I could take a penny (evidence they claim points towards evolution) and say I own my own country, an island in the Caribbean’s, or my own planet for that matter. They take pennies and exaggerate it to the fullest. They’re not showing anyone a bank statement; they’re not driving around in a Lamborghini. They don’t live in mansions, and they’re not wearing designer suites. The evidence they provide is like someone popping out a five dollar bill and saying “there, there’s your proof” or them actually diving around in a Lamborghini, but later you finding out it was stolen, or a $3,000 used kit car. there is no difference what so ever!!!!!!

Let me put it another way........scientists have made observations that have led to a theory being formed. The thoery was formed in a logical manner based on these observations. These observations are evidence.

Geez you are trying so hard at this huh........how many more things do I have to explain about science and the way it works?

 

[Tiervexx]

Let me put it another way

Suppose a man walks up to you and says "I'm a billionaire."
You say "Prove it." He says "ok", and he points across the street at a bank. "My money is in that bank there." (The bank is closed.)
You say "What does that prove?" He says "Everyone knows banks have money in them" You say "I know there is money in the bank, but why should I believe that it's YOUR money?"
"Because it's GREEN" he says. "What else can you show me?"
He reaches in his pocket and pulls out a penny. "See -- I'm a billionaire." You're still skeptical. 'What does that prove?', you ask. "I'M A BILLIONAIRE" he states loudly (obviously annoyed that you would question him). He reaches in another pocket and pulls out another penny, "Do you believe me now?"

The proof for evolution is like pennies. I could take a penny (evidence they claim points towards evolution) and say I own my own country, an island in the Caribbean’s, or my own planet for that matter. They take pennies and exaggerate it to the fullest. They’re not showing anyone a bank statement; they’re not driving around in a Lamborghini. They don’t live in mansions, and they’re not wearing designer suites. The evidence they provide is like someone popping out a five dollar bill and saying “there, there’s your proof” or them actually diving around in a Lamborghini, but later you finding out it was stolen, or a $3,000 used kit car. there is no difference what so ever!!!!!!

The same can be said about faith in god.

The claims made by monotheists are far larger than and more outlandish then the idea of evolution yet they have less evidence to support that.

 

[big_bad_buff]

Well I’m not doubting that the same can be said about faith in god, I’m not debating the two here. My point is that there is no evidence for macroevolution what so ever, none! just pennies.

and for which takes more Faith to believe in(claims as you say)you’ll have to figure that out for yourself.

Creation has the bible, we know the people in the bible were real, we know there was a Jesus, much of the bible has been proven with historical facts. Nothing in the bible has ever been proven false, there is tons of factual science in the bible. We can see proof of a worldwide flood. I can go on and on, but, on the other hand, you must believe in a supreme being who created everything.

Macroevolution has a bunch of people telling you they’re billionaires and all they show you is pennies. You must believe in a story of mans origin with no facts or proof what so ever to support this theory.

So it’s either god, or a story that you know is made up. I think for the most part, people believe in evolution because it seems like it makes more sense than a god, plus they don’t want to believe in god. What they don’t realize is that macroevolution is impossible to occur, and that’s why there is no proof for it. if you don’t believe me, check out this link

http://www.creationists.org/math.html

The same can be said about faith in god.

The claims made by monotheists are far larger than and more outlandish then the idea of evolution yet they have less evidence to support that.

 

[big_bad_buff]

to make it easier for you, here are a few from the link you can look over

36.
To claim life evolved is to demand a miracle. The simplest conceivable form of single-celled life should have at least 600 different protein molecules. The mathematical probability that only one typical protein could form by chance arrangements of amino acid sequences is essentially zeroa—far less than 1 in 10450. To appreciate the magnitude of 10450, realize that the visible universe is about 1028 inches in diameter.
From another perspective, suppose we packed the entire visible universe with a “simple” form of life, such as bacteria. Next, we broke all their chemical bonds, mixed all atoms, then let them form new links. If this were repeated a billion times a second for 20 billion years under the most favorable temperature and pressure conditions throughout the visible universe, would one bacterium of any type reemerge? The oddsb are much less than one chance in 1099,999,999,873 . Your odds of randomly drawing one preselected atom out of a universe packed with atoms is about one chance in 10112—much better.

35. Handedness: Left and Right
Genetic material, DNA and RNA, is composed of nucleotides. In living things, nucleotides are always “right-handed.” (They were initially named “right-handed” because a beam of polarized light passing through them rotated like a right-handed screw.) Nucleotides rarely form outside life, but when they do, half are left-handed, and half are right-handed. If the first nucleotides formed by natural processes, they would have “mixed-handedness” and therefore could not evolve life’s genetic material. In fact, “mixed” genetic material cannot even copy itself.a
Each type of amino acid, when found in nonliving material or when synthesized in the laboratory, comes in two chemically equivalent forms. Half are right-handed, and half are left-handed—mirror images of each other. However, amino acids in life, including plants, animals, bacteria, molds, and even viruses, are essentially all left-handed.b No known natural process can isolate either the left-handed or right-handed variety. The mathematical probability that chance processes could produce merely one tiny protein molecule with only left-handed amino acids is virtually zero.c
A similar observation can be made for a special class of organic compounds called “sugars.” In living systems, sugars are all right-handed. Based on our present understanding, natural processes produce equal proportions of left-handed and right-handed sugars. Because sugars in living things are right-handed, random natural processes apparently did not produce life.
If any living thing took in (or ate) amino acids or sugars with the wrong handedness, the organism’s body could not process it. Such food would be useless, if not harmful. Because evolution favors slight variations that enhance survivability and produce more offspring, consider how advantageous a mutation might be that switched (or inverted) a plant’s handedness. “Inverted” (or wrong-handed) trees would proliferate rapidly, because they would no longer provide nourishment to bacteria, mold, or termites. “Inverted” forests would fill the continents. Other “inverted” plants and animals would also benefit and would overwhelm the balance of nature. Why do we not see such species with right-handed amino acids and left-handed sugars? Similarly, why are there not more poisonous plants? Why doesn’t any beneficial mutation permit its carriers to swamp most predators? Beneficial mutations are rarer than evolutionists believe.


34. DNA Production
DNA cannot function without at least 75 preexisting proteins,a but proteins are produced only at the direction of DNA.b Because each needs the other, a satisfactory explanation for the origin of one must also explain the origin of the other.c The components of this manufacturing system must have come into existence simultaneously. This implies creation.

33. Genetic Information
The genetic information in each human cell’s DNA is roughly equivalent to a library of 4,000 books.a Even if matter and life (perhaps a bacterium) somehow arose, the probability that mutations and natural selection produced this vast amount of information is essentially zero.b It would be analogous to continuing the following procedure until 4,000 books were produced:c

a. Start with a meaningful phrase.

b. Retype the phrase, but make some errors and insert some additional letters.

c. Examine the new phrase to see if it is meaningful.

d. If it is, replace the original phrase with it.

e. Return to step “b.”

Since 1970, evolutionists have referred to noncoding regions of DNA as “junk DNA”—DNA with supposedly no purpose, left over from our evolutionary past. We now know this “junk” accounts for much of the complexity of organisms.The term “junk DNA” reflected past ignorance.d

To produce just the enzymes in one organism would require more than 1040,000 trials.e (To understand how large 1040,000 is, realize that the visible universe has less than 1080 atoms in it.)

32. Genetic Distances
Techniques now exist for measuring the degrees of similarity between different forms of life.

Proteins. “Genetic distances” can be calculated by taking a specific protein and examining the sequence of its components. The fewer changes needed to convert a protein of one organism into the corresponding protein of another organism, supposedly the closer their relationship. These studies seriously contradict the theory of evolution.a

An early computer-based study of cytochrome c, a protein used in energy production, compared 47 different forms of life. This study found many contradictions with evolution based on this one protein. For example, according to evolution the rattlesnake should have been most closely related to other reptiles. Instead, the rattlesnake was most similar to man.b Since this study, experts have discovered hundreds of similar contradictions.c

DNA and RNA. Comparisons can also be made between the genetic material of different organisms. The list of organisms that have had all their genes sequenced and entered in databases, such as “GenBank,” is doubling each year. Computer comparisons of each gene with all other genes in the database show too many genes that are completely unrelated to any others.d Therefore, an evolutionary relationship between genes is highly unlikely. Furthermore, there is no trace at the molecular level for the traditional evolutionary series: simple sea life fish amphibians reptiles mammals.e Each category of organism appears to be almost equally isolated.f

Finally, evolutionary trees, based on the outward appearance of organisms, can now be compared with the organisms’ genetic information. They conflict in major ways.

 

[samoth]

to make it easier for you, here are a few from the link you can look over

36.
To claim life evolved is to demand a miracle. The simplest conceivable form of single-celled life should have at least 600 different protein molecules. The mathematical probability that only one typical protein could form by chance arrangements of amino acid sequences is essentially zeroa—far less than 1 in 10450. To appreciate the magnitude of 10450, realize that the visible universe is about 1028 inches in diameter.
From another perspective, suppose we packed the entire visible universe with a “simple” form of life, such as bacteria. Next, we broke all their chemical bonds, mixed all atoms, then let them form new links. If this were repeated a billion times a second for 20 billion years under the most favorable temperature and pressure conditions throughout the visible universe, would one bacterium of any type reemerge? The oddsb are much less than one chance in 1099,999,999,873 . Your odds of randomly drawing one preselected atom out of a universe packed with atoms is about one chance in 10112—much better.

Umm... I just see numbers. Where's the math? Unless they show their derivations, the numbers they submit are utterly useless.

Further, what does this mean:

"...realize that the visible universe is about 1028 inches in diameter."

Am I missing something here?? Was that meant to be 10^28?? And 10^450 for the previous sentence? If so, then I can make sense of what they are writing...

 

[Imnotdutcheither]

I have only one comment to make:

Oh boy!! Can you say brainwashed.

 

[Imnotdutcheither]

Not to mention that the science in this is an absolute joke.

to make it easier for you, here are a few from the link you can look over

36.
To claim life evolved is to demand a miracle. The simplest conceivable form of single-celled life should have at least 600 different protein molecules. The mathematical probability that only one typical protein could form by chance arrangements of amino acid sequences is essentially zeroa—far less than 1 in 10450. To appreciate the magnitude of 10450, realize that the visible universe is about 1028 inches in diameter.
From another perspective, suppose we packed the entire visible universe with a “simple” form of life, such as bacteria. Next, we broke all their chemical bonds, mixed all atoms, then let them form new links. If this were repeated a billion times a second for 20 billion years under the most favorable temperature and pressure conditions throughout the visible universe, would one bacterium of any type reemerge? The oddsb are much less than one chance in 1099,999,999,873 . Your odds of randomly drawing one preselected atom out of a universe packed with atoms is about one chance in 10112—much better.

35. Handedness: Left and Right
Genetic material, DNA and RNA, is composed of nucleotides. In living things, nucleotides are always “right-handed.” (They were initially named “right-handed” because a beam of polarized light passing through them rotated like a right-handed screw.) Nucleotides rarely form outside life, but when they do, half are left-handed, and half are right-handed. If the first nucleotides formed by natural processes, they would have “mixed-handedness” and therefore could not evolve life’s genetic material. In fact, “mixed” genetic material cannot even copy itself.a
Each type of amino acid, when found in nonliving material or when synthesized in the laboratory, comes in two chemically equivalent forms. Half are right-handed, and half are left-handed—mirror images of each other. However, amino acids in life, including plants, animals, bacteria, molds, and even viruses, are essentially all left-handed.b No known natural process can isolate either the left-handed or right-handed variety. The mathematical probability that chance processes could produce merely one tiny protein molecule with only left-handed amino acids is virtually zero.c
A similar observation can be made for a special class of organic compounds called “sugars.” In living systems, sugars are all right-handed. Based on our present understanding, natural processes produce equal proportions of left-handed and right-handed sugars. Because sugars in living things are right-handed, random natural processes apparently did not produce life.
If any living thing took in (or ate) amino acids or sugars with the wrong handedness, the organism’s body could not process it. Such food would be useless, if not harmful. Because evolution favors slight variations that enhance survivability and produce more offspring, consider how advantageous a mutation might be that switched (or inverted) a plant’s handedness. “Inverted” (or wrong-handed) trees would proliferate rapidly, because they would no longer provide nourishment to bacteria, mold, or termites. “Inverted” forests would fill the continents. Other “inverted” plants and animals would also benefit and would overwhelm the balance of nature. Why do we not see such species with right-handed amino acids and left-handed sugars? Similarly, why are there not more poisonous plants? Why doesn’t any beneficial mutation permit its carriers to swamp most predators? Beneficial mutations are rarer than evolutionists believe.


34. DNA Production
DNA cannot function without at least 75 preexisting proteins,a but proteins are produced only at the direction of DNA.b Because each needs the other, a satisfactory explanation for the origin of one must also explain the origin of the other.c The components of this manufacturing system must have come into existence simultaneously. This implies creation.

33. Genetic Information
The genetic information in each human cell’s DNA is roughly equivalent to a library of 4,000 books.a Even if matter and life (perhaps a bacterium) somehow arose, the probability that mutations and natural selection produced this vast amount of information is essentially zero.b It would be analogous to continuing the following procedure until 4,000 books were produced:c

a. Start with a meaningful phrase.

b. Retype the phrase, but make some errors and insert some additional letters.

c. Examine the new phrase to see if it is meaningful.

d. If it is, replace the original phrase with it.

e. Return to step “b.”

Since 1970, evolutionists have referred to noncoding regions of DNA as “junk DNA”—DNA with supposedly no purpose, left over from our evolutionary past. We now know this “junk” accounts for much of the complexity of organisms.The term “junk DNA” reflected past ignorance.d

To produce just the enzymes in one organism would require more than 1040,000 trials.e (To understand how large 1040,000 is, realize that the visible universe has less than 1080 atoms in it.)

32. Genetic Distances
Techniques now exist for measuring the degrees of similarity between different forms of life.

Proteins. “Genetic distances” can be calculated by taking a specific protein and examining the sequence of its components. The fewer changes needed to convert a protein of one organism into the corresponding protein of another organism, supposedly the closer their relationship. These studies seriously contradict the theory of evolution.a

An early computer-based study of cytochrome c, a protein used in energy production, compared 47 different forms of life. This study found many contradictions with evolution based on this one protein. For example, according to evolution the rattlesnake should have been most closely related to other reptiles. Instead, the rattlesnake was most similar to man.b Since this study, experts have discovered hundreds of similar contradictions.c

DNA and RNA. Comparisons can also be made between the genetic material of different organisms. The list of organisms that have had all their genes sequenced and entered in databases, such as “GenBank,” is doubling each year. Computer comparisons of each gene with all other genes in the database show too many genes that are completely unrelated to any others.d Therefore, an evolutionary relationship between genes is highly unlikely. Furthermore, there is no trace at the molecular level for the traditional evolutionary series: simple sea life fish amphibians reptiles mammals.e Each category of organism appears to be almost equally isolated.f

Finally, evolutionary trees, based on the outward appearance of organisms, can now be compared with the organisms’ genetic information. They conflict in major ways.