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HMG with your TRT

Power36

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Hi,
Is anyone using HMG instead of HCG with their TRT protocol? My doctor is open minded and said he would consider it, Id just need to get some either documents, articles, or names of other HRT doctors using it in their protocols so he had something to go off of prescribing it for me and seeing how it works.

Anyone? Or any of the bigger name doctors using it now?

Otherwise folks just sticking with 250iu HCG 3x/week and 1mg Arimidex per 100mg Testosterone?

Thanks
 
power36,
I guess my question would be why are u considering taking HMG?? Apparently many fertility doctors use it to stimulate ovulation/sperm production. It mimics FSH and is suppose to be very good for increasing sperm counts and all that entails with the follicle-stimulating hormone. If your more concerned with increasing testosterone levels the HCG is probably the better choice while on TRT. I just decided to stop TRT because I was concerned with fertility challenges that my family doctor never mentioned. I wewnt to an endo and he explained the benefits of HMG. It sounds like it could work well by taking them together in small dosages. Goodluck
 
Thanks....Ive been cycling HCG on and off the entire time on TRT......still want kids down the road, have read HMG is "better" plus has a small amount of HCG in it anyways, so if my doc will give it to me why not give it a try....
 
actually HMG can totaly replace HCG , it doesn't stimulate FSH production only but LH too , i dunno y ppl still think that it's only FSH , HMG is supperior to HCG as it elevates LH naturally.

here's the email sent to all EF members from MR. Spellwin (the architect of this site) about HMG, read carefully, very interesting :


In today's EliteFitness.com News, we'll examine how HMG aka Human Menopausal Gonadotropin differs from HCG and why it may be a better alternative to this mainstay of post cycle therapy.
Post Cycle Therapy or PCT for short is a must after you have finished a steroid cycle. If you want to keep the strength and muscle gains you worked so hard for when you were on the juice, you need to help return your own body's hormonal levels back to normal - or all you hard work will be wasted. Many great PCT protocols have been outlined over the years, and many individuals have had success following them. Nevertheless, what works can always work better.
A couple months ago, we profiled HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin) in an article titled, "HCG - Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Use After Anabolic Steroid Cycles for Bodybuilding" this article discussed how HCG is one of the most effective ways to recover from an anabolic steroid cycle. The article addressed the misunderstanding and misuse of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) and shows you the most efficient way to use hCG for the fastest and most complete recovery.
Today, we'll look at how HMG aka Human Menopausal Gonadotropin differs from HCG and why it may be a better alternative to this mainstay of post cycle therapy.
For years, bodybuilders used HCG to kick-start their HPTA after a cycle. There’s still a lot of debate as to how it should be used, but for simplicities sake it’s fair to say it should be administered once the testes show sign of atrophy. This makes sense since, contrary to popular belief, HCG (and HMG) do not “cure” or “recover” anything. They do not return testosterone levels permanently and they do not assure that production will return to normal. They simply give a temporary boost that can be extremely helpful when one’s hormonal system is suppressed and attempted to return to normal. It’s a little bit of a “head start” on recovery, but at some point, the body must produce hormones all on its own – otherwise, it really isn’t recovery, its just substituting one drug for another. This is why supplementation is also recommended at this time.

Now that we’re established exactly how these drugs work, let’s examine the differences.

The most significant disparity is in the fact that HCG mimics LH (luetinized hormone). It gives the body a false signal that LH is present and everything else responds accordingly. HMG actually elevates natural LH. Now to some, there’s little difference, but it’s always better when the body reacts in the most natural manner. There’s also less of a chance of building up a tolerance when this occurs. And in the case of HCG, tolerance is developed pretty quickly. You see, Mother Nature is pretty sharp. You can fool her a few times but after a while, she catches on and refuses to cooperate. That’s why excessive HCG use is not recommend. Use too much, too often, and it won’t work at all.

Exactly how much LESS suppressive HMG is appears to still remain speculative. But it’s a good guess that it’s less so.

There’s another, still empirical, opinion that HMG causes less of an estrogen spike. The use of HMG for bodybuilding purposes is so new there’s no way of proving this one-way or the other. Yet. But again, it stands to reason this is so.

One absolute difference between the two compounds is the fact that HMG raises FSH (Follicle Stimulating Hormone) and HCG does not. Again, this is due to the fact that HCG works synthetically and HMG stimulates the entire feedback loop. This is especially appealing since an increase in FSH means higher sperm count and ejaculate volume.

Dosage:

Although HMG is relatively new to the steroid community there are already misconceptions surrounding its use. People fail to realize that recommended dosages in the enclosed literature are for the original purpose of drug – that of a fertility stimulant in women. For men’s purposes, a much lower dose is needed. A single shot of 75 i.u.’s may be all that’s necessary. You can even try spitting that up into two half shots over two days. Using more, will not “do more.” It will not elevate T higher, or give you bigger balls so don’t even think about it.

Availability:

HMG is quickly becoming more available in generic form. As of this writing, there are no UG labs manufacturing it. (But that may change soon).

Anecdotal feedback on HMG has been very positive. It seems to work at least as well as HCG and most users feel it’s superior. Until more is known (and prices hopefully come down) it may be best to alternate between HCG and HMG. This may also have an additional benefit of lessening the desensitizing effects of HCG.

As mentioned, any LH stimulation is temporary so while you’re recovering it’s best to have every advantage. Supplements such as UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE can make the most of natural hormone production and get you on the road to recovery faster.


HMG and HCG may be related but it looks like HMG is the bigger, badder brother. The only way of knowing if it works for you is to give it a try.
 
Power36;9988499Otherwise folks just sticking with 250iu HCG 3x/week and 1mg Arimidex per 100mg Testosterone? Thanks[/QUOTE said:
250iu hcg 2x week. Arimidex varies based on your test dose and current E levels. If natty E is high and your on 400mg/wk test then expect to get approx 1mg ana 3x week.
 
So no one yet has tried the HMG while on TRT? My doc seems to think my only need for HCG is fertility and when time comes I can drop the T and take HCG, but I told him about HMG and he said it sounds super interesting, so if I could find out info on folks using it for TRT, ie maybe some other docs he can call, or anyone on here have some detailed experience, maybe I can get some HMG out of this covered by insurance and keep it going.....the HCG ive been getting via another clinic and its $$$, so if my current doc who gives me T+GH is willing to give me HMG, all the better....
 
if HMG was cheap like HCG i would personally do it all year long while on HRT ( 1 amp 75 iu divided in to 2 halves and shot twice per week) , but the problem is that a one week supply of HMG (75 iu) cost about the same as 10 week supply of HCG (5000 iu).
i personally do HMG from time to time or sometimes i add 1 or 2 amps to my monthly stored mix of HCG, last time i did it was between november and december i added 2 x 75 iu amps to my 2000 iu of HCG (4 weeks supplly) and it relly improved my sperm production, i think it's about time to do it again, u can even benefit from half the amp (75 iu) which is 37.5 iu per week since mixed with HCG , this way i find it affordable and still can give results.
 
Well what would be ideal protocol if money wasnt an issue? If I can find some doctors doing this with their patients, or some documents of protocals, my doctor is totally open minded to it....which if he prescribes it my insurance covers all of it, so I could do what was optimal....just need someone else to give him the thumbs up that it works or why its good, any medical articles or TRT sites where the docs are using it and explaining why that he could contact, and Id be golden....

So 75iu week in two doses is what you would do year long to replace 250iu HCG 3x week?


if HMG was cheap like HCG i would personally do it all year long while on HRT ( 1 amp 75 iu divided in to 2 halves and shot twice per week) , but the problem is that a one week supply of HMG (75 iu) cost about the same as 10 week supply of HCG (5000 iu).
i personally do HMG from time to time or sometimes i add 1 or 2 amps to my monthly stored mix of HCG, last time i did it was between november and december i added 2 x 75 iu amps to my 2000 iu of HCG (4 weeks supplly) and it relly improved my sperm production, i think it's about time to do it again, u can even benefit from half the amp (75 iu) which is 37.5 iu per week since mixed with HCG , this way i find it affordable and still can give results.
 
yes 75iu /w (37.5iu x 2) is the usual protocol to run all year long.
and btw hcg is done at 250iu twice a week not 3 times.
 
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So no one yet has tried the HMG while on TRT? My doc seems to think my only need for HCG is fertility and when time comes I can drop the T and take HCG...

Tell your doc the same reason HCG is good for fertility is exactly why you want to use it, in low dose, on trt. It keeps your testes from shrinking up and at least partially active instead of completely shutting them down.
 
Thanks guys....

Been holding off on doing a blast despite having some gear stocked up......been making so many great gains and getting healthier just on my TRT, if I can start HMG soon Ill stay steady than hit a blast maybe....

I have 2 vials of Masteron 200mg, plenty of 50mg var, tons of extra Test, and a bunch of Tbol......

If I did any blasts or a cycle I do not want to get any bigger....Im coming back from a ton of medical issues and layoffs, been at it like 1.5 years now I think....and now as of this week, without even trying to train heavy, doing more speed work and moderate weights with strict form.....my deadlifts this week I ended up last few sets tripling 475lbs, hang cleaning 275lbs for triples, repping 325 benches for triples for 6 sets, and for a joke one day easily squatted 315 ass to grass for 20 reps a few sets and could have maybe done 30 if my lungs were not on fire or I was risking re-injuring nagging old leg injuries......so with dropping my Test down to 180mg week on two doses the past few months, Im still making great gains...going to get dunk tanked right now to see where I am, last year was at 17.9% bodyfat, which is better than 1.5 years ago was 30%...before my medical crash I was normally 10-12% stable at 245.....dont know if Ill get there again but would love to.....but cant train as heavy, too many injuries could reoccur...

well talk to you all soon
 
I cant beleive it....I was 7.5% BF in dunk tank today....put on 22lbs of muscle since last may, and dropped 25 lbs of fat in the same time since last May...havent even dieted too hard either, clean on and off but not strict bodybuilding type eating....trying to stick to meat and veggies but when "stuff" comes up in life like girl or job whatever its hard for me to stick to the near keto thing....but if I get back on hoping to drop more....I was asking lady why I didnt have ripped abs, she said plenty of people under 10% dont have ripped abs, that everywhere else I am lean, only place im holding anything is midsection...and dont know if it has anythign to do with medical issues, for the 3 years I couldnt train and was deathly ill, i had sky high cortisol for a while and then it dropped off, but everything did go to my gut in that time I went to 30%...man im in shock...didnt think Id be so low primarily because I dont have shredded up abs like id think I would...but then again in the past I never had totally ripped abs even when I held 10% steady at very heavy weight like 235-245......today I was 234...
 
I know this is an older thread but wanted to comment. I to am on trt and trying for a kid. I tried juhcg for a while with no results so I just started using hmg the problem with hmg is there is no real data on how to use it on trt. Depending where you get it the price can get crazy.
 
good luck let us know how it goes...my doc said when the time comes his hunch (ok thats all I can tell ya) is that if you back off T dose a lot of totally for few months, sperm shouldnt be an issue...so you might suffer your symptoms of low T but still be better chance of having a kid... I guess Im putting a lot of trust in that....

HCG, HMG, Im a dummy dont kill me guys but would clomid help out at all? Some sort of a get off Test and try a restart on your own or be taking enough HMG and clomid is squeaks out some swimmers?
 
good luck let us know how it goes...my doc said when the time comes his hunch (ok thats all I can tell ya) is that if you back off T dose a lot of totally for few months, sperm shouldnt be an issue...so you might suffer your symptoms of low T but still be better chance of having a kid... I guess Im putting a lot of trust in that....

HCG, HMG, Im a dummy dont kill me guys but would clomid help out at all? Some sort of a get off Test and try a restart on your own or be taking enough HMG and clomid is squeaks out some swimmers?

If u want my opinion i still believe in clomid as the base of any pct or fertility protocol but in a low dose and an extended period of time like 25mg (half tab) /eod for like 6 months, u may add letro hcg or even hmg everybody has it's own opinion on that but still clomid prove itself in all studies as the main fertility drug to at least start with, imo a mix of hcg 500 iu/w and hmg 75 iu/w of course divided in 2 shots with an appropriate amount of an AI depends on the individual is the best protocol for maintaining while on hrt. If stopping hrt and trying to restart ur natty production u may bump these doses the first couple of weeks as a boost but no very high doses of hcg and hmg specially like when some ppl do 5000 iu shots and repeatedly they end up desensitizing themselves and making things worst, an example for a pct or a restart would be hcg 500 iu and hmg 75 iu /ed for the first 10 days and that's enough, and continue with the maintenance protocol of twice a week while on clomid and letro too.
Now for AI's it's an individual thing but i see most ppl benefits with the least sides with 1 tab of letro/w (2 halves) at max to maintain a fair low estro count.

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